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We have players all over the field who had multiple D-1 offers. Learning a new defense and how everyone fits and works together inside of it takes time. That we should all understand. N'western rushed for 175 yards per game last year. This year it's only 70 yards a game. They could cry about not having the Jims and Joes to rush the ball. I've not heard a single word from Fitz after a loss claiming his team "doesn't look like the other team". They've gone ahead and recognized they can't effectively run like usual and found another way to get it done instead. They've buckled down and completely changed their offensive identity to win games. Isn't that good coaching, doing what's necessary even when it's not what you feel comfortable with. What I don't understand, and was very disappointed in, was the Wisconsin post game comments. If we have to look like Wisconsin, or UM, or tOSU to beat them then we might as well wait until we've recruited a few top 15 classes before we expect anything of these coaches. If that's SF's mindset, and it's hard to see how it's not based on his post game comments, the players hear that too and will keep living up to the expectation their HC has set for them. You can't tell the players during the week or pregame they can go out and win and compete with anyone and then turn around and tell the media post game the players don't stack up with the other team. Whether that has some truth to it or not, you always build your players up and convince them they are better than whoever they're facing. Until that happens it looks like we'll need a team full of blue chip players for our coaches to believe the players are good enough for them to coach to wins.

I've done the math. Barring an exceptional number of "culture change" mentions by the commentators I've estimated a full game is going to require around 220 oz. Roughly an 18 pack in 3.5 hours. That's not even one beer every ten minutes.

By what quarter, should we start an over/under. I laughed so hard reading that board there is no way I'm NOT playing.

I think this is one of those cases, like when a girl beats up a boy and takes his lunch money, you're just better off not draw attention to the event. Accusing Oregon State of stealing our players to 99.9% of the rest of college football fans actually makes us look like the boy who got beaten up by a girl. I realize there are plenty of tough girls out there, but you aint ever living that down once it gets out so you're better off just going on about your day and not drawing outside attention to what happened.

That's an interesting question. Is a transfer considered a recruit for recruiting rankings purposes? I have no idea. 247 lists 5 star OG Isaac Seumalo class of 2012 as their highest ever followed by Derek Andersen and Steven Jackson. Seumalo has a Super bowl ring and the other two were pro bowlers with long nfl careers. Not seeing that from Lindsey at this point, but maybe it's a move that benefits him. We'll see.

We just need to score on 1st or 2nd down because we are not good on 3rd down. 63 3rd down attempts only 20 conversions. 122nd in nation.

Would playing Or.St. count as a non-conference or inter-squad?

Taking 3 yards of real estate away from the defense and giving it to the offense is wealth redistribution at it's finest. That's my best stab at translation. On the other hand maybe he just smokes a lot of weed in his spare time?

What's more unbelievable: The above scenario or Nwestern beating Sparty with 8 total rushing yards. Yes 8.

Every recruiting class by every coach has hits and misses. Bell was a SF recruit. Scholarship misses are one reason we love the walk on program so much. There are several very good players MR recruited here as well as some less productive ones, but before blaming him or the player for so called "misses" it's important to first acknowledge those players were not recruited to the system they find themselves in. Outside of Trent Brey there are no former MR staff members coaching at OrSt. Langsdorf was with the Ducks last I heard and Diaco at OU. I'd be very interested in seeing any evidence former staff has proactively reached out to N players as opposed to the other way around. I don't find it at all surprising players recruited by MR or their parents would seek out his advice if they were considering transferring. In the case of Gebbia, Or.St's current HC had recruited him hard while he was OC at Washington. My guess would be that had a lot to do with him ending up at OrSt which would have zero to do with former N coaches.

Wildcats caught looking ahead to Rutgers?

Banker chose to limit the run while Chin appears to limit the pass. Maybe someday we'll have a defense that can limit both at the same time. 2015 vs Wisky 147 rushing yards allowed, 322 passing yards allowed, 469 total 2018 vs Wisky 370 rushing yards allowed, 163 passing yards allowed, 533 total

I'm not cherry picking anymore than you are. If we can both agree Wisconsin is the game we need to start winning to turn things around then looking at how a Banker defense dominated a Wisconsin offense is relevant to that point. Not the whole story, but certainly on point for the goal at hand which is to beat Wisconsin. I hope we can also agree comparing numbers from one season to another is also not the whole story. Different players, schedules, coaching changes etc, all can play a big role in the numbers. A program like OrSt. clearly doesn't reload every year so of course you'd expect ups and downs. My biggest disagreement was with your original statement, Banker is terrible and after less than one half of his first game(BYU) you had already made up your mind. Considering a team can actually take a step backwards when a new system and coaches are brought in that just seems like an opinion you had already formed long before you even watched that first half. This years team is a prime example of what can happen when new coaches take over. I'm not declaring Chin terrible after an 0-5 start. I have my doubts, but he deserves time before final judgement.

Rebutting a purely subjective opinion is a waste of time no amount of facts presented are going to change. What I initially stated was fact and not opinion, Banker's D shut down Wisconsin's offense with Oregon St type talent. So why do you think that wouldn't work here? Are you saying Oregon State had better talent?

In the age of social media where deliberate falsehoods and half truths are posted by the second, my question back to you is, why don't more people call out b.s. when they see it.

Your mind was made up less than 2 quarters into his first game. Kind of waters down anything you say afterwards as highly self serving bias. Bankers first five games as DC we allowed 24 points per game. Through five this season we giving up 39 points per game. One of those number sure looks far superior to me.

For many of the same reasons N fans are now willing to give things time to develop, I think Banker got the short end of the stick here. He actually showed he could shut down Wisconsin's offense with Oregon St. talent. From first year here to the second he had N in the upper half of the conference in total defense and 3rd in INT's without an effective pass rush. One of the knocks against him was that his defense couldn't stop spread offenses, but his D came up with enough stops to let us come back and beat Oregon in second half. With one year under his belt he shaved average yards allowed per game by 40 yrds and avrg points allowed by 4 which is even more impressive considering we played tOSU and Oregon in 16' and not in 15'. People were so livid with a 9 win season and bowl loss to an SEC team someones head had to be chopped, enter the Diaco debacle. If Bankers D showed similar improvement from year 2 to year 3, 2017 would have been an entirely different season. I count 4-5 more potential wins in that scenario. Instead we went from an upper half defense to the rock bottom in 2017.

Go HuskAirs

You missed the larger point I attempted to make. Did kids slack off under MR? Sure. Have kids slacked off since SF took over? Sure. He's brought it up several times in fact in post game press conferences. The difference is how each coach could go about dealing with that. Suggesting both coaches are/were in the same position to deal with those issues is the silly part. SF has a unique opportunity few HC's will ever have. The right AD, fan, and booster support to draw a hard line and take his time and not have to worry about losing his job if he doesn't produce wins immediately. We're betting the house if SF has free rein to do what he wants then things will get better eventually. I expect they will. How soon I don't know.

MR is not the coach at Oregon St.. There's not a coach we've had in the bazillion years prior to SF who could survive coming in and preside over this number of players leaving without serious risk to his job. Do you really believe MR could have drawn a hard line and stuck to it if Pelini players started bailing and kept his job after the first season? It's ok to recognize MR and SF were dealt entirely different hands. Suggesting he let players slack off is a bit silly. Right now SF has a huge pile of chips in front of him with the house ready to back him with more. He has the green light to burn the house down if he wants. Suggesting MR could have done anything remotely similar is a fantasy. He had to actually attempt to motivate his players to work hard and give their best without the threat of an ax. It remains to be seen if these players leaving will benefit us in the long run. What it does immediately is buy the current coaches more time and a pretty good excuse for a lack of results on the field. If things don't turn around in the next couple seasons, assistants will be the next sacrifices to buy more time. At this rate some may go much sooner than two years.

Lindsey's size isn't that big a limiting factor. A lot of similar sized players have had highly productive college careers. His speed and route running precision will be much bigger factors IMO.

What coach wouldn't take 4 star transfers with several years of eligibility? Gebbia, Roberts, and Lindsey are quality players with high potential in the right system. Don't forget Ferguson was committed to OSU when MR was named HC coach so Roberts is a bit of payback IMO.

That makes me feel better they're completely ineffective not inattentive?

Would losing with walkons really be worse than losing with scholarship players?

Washington State ranks 8th nationally in total defense, TCU 15th, among other examples.