The Forgotten Right

[carlfense]

Well do you? Or Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Weiner....

 

I don't listen to ANY talk radio. I take an issue, I look at as many differing sources as I can and based on my research then I formulate my opinion based on my own intellect, reason and values. I sure as the hell don't need Limbaugh, Coulter, Obama, Pelosi, etc to tell me what or how to think.

 

And if you must know, I don't think there's a penny's difference between the republicans and democrats. They ought to simply drop the facade of being two different parties and simply merge into one party and call themselves the republicrats or the demicans.

 

I'd like to see some proof about Obama or Pelosi wearing red stars on their persons.

 

Do your own research because it's the only way you'll see the light. Read various socialist or communist materials and then listen to Obama, or any elite democrat give a speech. Over time you will see what I'm

 

I will give you this to consider...

 

Obama's Nazi SS Corps

 

On you tube there are countless videos you can see where Obama talks about socialism, government control and a myriad of other topics.

 

You need to read, and understand the Communist Manifesto first because then you'll have contect in which to put Obama's words.

 

And the republicans aren't much better. They get into power and they tax and spend equal to, and in some cases, exceed the democrats.

 

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

[hosker]

Well do you? Or Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Weiner....

 

I don't listen to ANY talk radio. I take an issue, I look at as many differing sources as I can and based on my research then I formulate my opinion based on my own intellect, reason and values. I sure as the hell don't need Limbaugh, Coulter, Obama, Pelosi, etc to tell me what or how to think.

 

And if you must know, I don't think there's a penny's difference between the republicans and democrats. They ought to simply drop the facade of being two different parties and simply merge into one party and call themselves the republicrats or the demicans.

 

I'd like to see some proof about Obama or Pelosi wearing red stars on their persons.

 

Do your own research because it's the only way you'll see the light. Read various socialist or communist materials and then listen to Obama, or any elite democrat give a speech. Over time you will see what I'm

 

I will give you this to consider...

 

Obama's Nazi SS Corps

 

On you tube there are countless videos you can see where Obama talks about socialism, government control and a myriad of other topics.

 

You need to read, and understand the Communist Manifesto first because then you'll have contect in which to put Obama's words.

 

And the republicans aren't much better. They get into power and they tax and spend equal to, and in some cases, exceed the democrats.

 

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

with the quote in your sig, im surprised to see you make that statement

[HuskerJen]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

[carlfense]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

Yes I did watch the link. Did you happen to notice that it is a 30 second blurb that provides no context whatsoever? Did you notice that it is a politically motivated hack job? I searched with google for 15 minutes to try to find what the topic of his talk was...all I could find was conspiracy theorists saying that the Fourth Reich is well on it's way. Is it possible he misspoke and meant to be talking about the Peace Corps or the National Guard? It might be. Unfortunately, with such a short agenda driven video there is literally NO WAY that I can take it seriously. If I could find a transcript or a video of the entire speech then MAYBE I could take it more seriously.

 

If you are honestly afraid for the future of your freedom as a citizen of the United States you are a little loony. Between Congress (which at the moment does not provide much of a check against executive power) and the Supreme Court (which is the REAL check) If I had the time and compulsion I could find you cases and statutes that show that your supposed "civilian army" is either illegal or straight up unconstitutional. Your point is moot. Nothing will change.

 

And for the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his policies for real reasons, not for flaky right wing conspiracy theories. Example, his proposed health care plan terrifies me.

 

Drop the Hitler and Communist comparisons. Until Obama kills 6 million+ it makes you look ridiculous.

[carlfense]

Well do you? Or Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Weiner....

 

I don't listen to ANY talk radio. I take an issue, I look at as many differing sources as I can and based on my research then I formulate my opinion based on my own intellect, reason and values. I sure as the hell don't need Limbaugh, Coulter, Obama, Pelosi, etc to tell me what or how to think.

 

And if you must know, I don't think there's a penny's difference between the republicans and democrats. They ought to simply drop the facade of being two different parties and simply merge into one party and call themselves the republicrats or the demicans.

 

I'd like to see some proof about Obama or Pelosi wearing red stars on their persons.

 

Do your own research because it's the only way you'll see the light. Read various socialist or communist materials and then listen to Obama, or any elite democrat give a speech. Over time you will see what I'm

 

I will give you this to consider...

 

Obama's Nazi SS Corps

 

On you tube there are countless videos you can see where Obama talks about socialism, government control and a myriad of other topics.

 

You need to read, and understand the Communist Manifesto first because then you'll have contect in which to put Obama's words.

 

And the republicans aren't much better. They get into power and they tax and spend equal to, and in some cases, exceed the democrats.

 

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

with the quote in your sig, im surprised to see you make that statement

 

You shouldn't be. How can people rationally discuss our democratically elected president when he is being compared to one of the biggest mass murderers in world history. (You don't have to argue that Hitler was democratically elected, the most he ever won was 28% of the votes.) Let me give you an example of a typical flow of a discussion.

 

Oz Husker - You are a guy. (I think.) - Hitler was a guy too! - OMG OMG! - Oz Husker is just like Hitler!

 

Ridiculous.

[Chef K]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom? - Yes and that INCLUDES the freedom of choice and gays having the freedom to get married. Which is something a lot of conservatives have a problem with.

 

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives? - YES, See previous answer

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large? - Yes, but again this is just schematics. Conservatives have certain areas of government that they like to keep huge. {i.e. the defense dept.}

 

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded? - No with the exceptions of Social Security and a National health plan. Every other industrialized country can take care of their citizens {And I'm sure they have conservatives too} But I'm a firm believer in getting rid of corporate welfare.

 

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs? - Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Obama CUT taxes for most everybody?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

[SOCALHUSKER]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

Yes I did watch the link. Did you happen to notice that it is a 30 second blurb that provides no context whatsoever? Did you notice that it is a politically motivated hack job? I searched with google for 15 minutes to try to find what the topic of his talk was...all I could find was conspiracy theorists saying that the Fourth Reich is well on it's way. Is it possible he misspoke and meant to be talking about the Peace Corps or the National Guard? It might be. Unfortunately, with such a short agenda driven video there is literally NO WAY that I can take it seriously. If I could find a transcript or a video of the entire speech then MAYBE I could take it more seriously.

 

If you are honestly afraid for the future of your freedom as a citizen of the United States you are a little loony. Between Congress (which at the moment does not provide much of a check against executive power) and the Supreme Court (which is the REAL check) If I had the time and compulsion I could find you cases and statutes that show that your supposed "civilian army" is either illegal or straight up unconstitutional. Your point is moot. Nothing will change.

 

And for the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his policies for real reasons, not for flaky right wing conspiracy theories. Example, his proposed health care plan terrifies me.

 

Drop the Hitler and Communist comparisons. Until Obama kills 6 million+ it makes you look ridiculous.

 

So when he and his policies create a disaster, then she's allowed to compare him to what she thinks he is today? That's mighty noble of you. It's short-sighted thinking like that, that has allowed the Hitler's and Pol Pot's of the world to rule as they please. By calling her "ridiculous" or "loony" for studying history and finding correlations between the policies of Obama and those of some of the most evil, tyrannical men who have ever walked the face of the earth, shows that you are either ignorant of history or you really don't care all that much about retaining your freedom.

 

Also, what are your "real" reasons for disliking his policies? And who decides which person's dislikes are "real" and which are "conspiracy?" Obviously people are worried about the direction our country is headed and the reasons are fairly obvious. Freedoms are slowly disappearing, whether you believe it or not, and hopefully the tyranny will be stopped before the freedoms you value (healthcare) are lost too.

 

Here's a quote by Martin Niemoeller I posted on another thread but I think it also bodes well with what we are discussing here . You could easily exchange each different affiliation (Communism, Socialism, etc...) with the freedoms being restricted today (right to bear arms, healthcare, etc...).

 

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

[carlfense]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

Yes I did watch the link. Did you happen to notice that it is a 30 second blurb that provides no context whatsoever? Did you notice that it is a politically motivated hack job? I searched with google for 15 minutes to try to find what the topic of his talk was...all I could find was conspiracy theorists saying that the Fourth Reich is well on it's way. Is it possible he misspoke and meant to be talking about the Peace Corps or the National Guard? It might be. Unfortunately, with such a short agenda driven video there is literally NO WAY that I can take it seriously. If I could find a transcript or a video of the entire speech then MAYBE I could take it more seriously.

 

If you are honestly afraid for the future of your freedom as a citizen of the United States you are a little loony. Between Congress (which at the moment does not provide much of a check against executive power) and the Supreme Court (which is the REAL check) If I had the time and compulsion I could find you cases and statutes that show that your supposed "civilian army" is either illegal or straight up unconstitutional. Your point is moot. Nothing will change.

 

And for the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his policies for real reasons, not for flaky right wing conspiracy theories. Example, his proposed health care plan terrifies me.

 

Drop the Hitler and Communist comparisons. Until Obama kills 6 million+ it makes you look ridiculous.

 

So when he and his policies create a disaster, then she's allowed to compare him to what she thinks he is today? That's mighty noble of you. It's short-sighted thinking like that, that has allowed the Hitler's and Pol Pot's of the world to rule as they please. By calling her "ridiculous" or "loony" for studying history and finding correlations between the policies of Obama and those of some of the most evil, tyrannical men who have ever walked the face of the earth, shows that you are either ignorant of history or you really don't care all that much about retaining your freedom.

 

Also, what are your "real" reasons for disliking his policies? And who decides which person's dislikes are "real" and which are "conspiracy?" Obviously people are worried about the direction our country is headed and the reasons are fairly obvious. Freedoms are slowly disappearing, whether you believe it or not, and hopefully the tyranny will be stopped before the freedoms you value (healthcare) are lost too.

 

Here's a quote by Martin Niemoeller I posted on another thread but I think it also bodes well with what we are discussing here . You could easily exchange each different affiliation (Communism, Socialism, etc...) with the freedoms being restricted today (right to bear arms, healthcare, etc...).

 

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

It's funny that you mention studying history because my BA is in history. My apologies if you think a 30 second youtube chop job that has a 15 second speaking section immediately followed by still photos of Hitler is "real" political discussion.

 

(this phantasmal "civilian army" is not a real reason to dislike him because it is a legal impossibility . . . unless somehow Obama can find a new Supreme Court somewhere.)

 

And as for my reasons for disliking him, that ARE possible, I don't like his tax structure. I don't like his health care plan. I'm not for expanding Welfare or EBT. You know...things that are not some fantasy - sky is falling kind of thing that has become so regrettably common.

[carlfense]

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom? - Yes and that INCLUDES the freedom of choice and gays having the freedom to get married. Which is something a lot of conservatives have a problem with.

 

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives? - YES, See previous answer

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large? - Yes, but again this is just schematics. Conservatives have certain areas of government that they like to keep huge. {i.e. the defense dept.}

 

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded? - No with the exceptions of Social Security and a National health plan. Every other industrialized country can take care of their citizens {And I'm sure they have conservatives too} But I'm a firm believer in getting rid of corporate welfare.

 

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs? - Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Obama CUT taxes for most everybody?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

You nailed it sir. Excellent post.

[SOCALHUSKER]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

Yes I did watch the link. Did you happen to notice that it is a 30 second blurb that provides no context whatsoever? Did you notice that it is a politically motivated hack job? I searched with google for 15 minutes to try to find what the topic of his talk was...all I could find was conspiracy theorists saying that the Fourth Reich is well on it's way. Is it possible he misspoke and meant to be talking about the Peace Corps or the National Guard? It might be. Unfortunately, with such a short agenda driven video there is literally NO WAY that I can take it seriously. If I could find a transcript or a video of the entire speech then MAYBE I could take it more seriously.

 

If you are honestly afraid for the future of your freedom as a citizen of the United States you are a little loony. Between Congress (which at the moment does not provide much of a check against executive power) and the Supreme Court (which is the REAL check) If I had the time and compulsion I could find you cases and statutes that show that your supposed "civilian army" is either illegal or straight up unconstitutional. Your point is moot. Nothing will change.

 

And for the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his policies for real reasons, not for flaky right wing conspiracy theories. Example, his proposed health care plan terrifies me.

 

Drop the Hitler and Communist comparisons. Until Obama kills 6 million+ it makes you look ridiculous.

 

So when he and his policies create a disaster, then she's allowed to compare him to what she thinks he is today? That's mighty noble of you. It's short-sighted thinking like that, that has allowed the Hitler's and Pol Pot's of the world to rule as they please. By calling her "ridiculous" or "loony" for studying history and finding correlations between the policies of Obama and those of some of the most evil, tyrannical men who have ever walked the face of the earth, shows that you are either ignorant of history or you really don't care all that much about retaining your freedom.

 

Also, what are your "real" reasons for disliking his policies? And who decides which person's dislikes are "real" and which are "conspiracy?" Obviously people are worried about the direction our country is headed and the reasons are fairly obvious. Freedoms are slowly disappearing, whether you believe it or not, and hopefully the tyranny will be stopped before the freedoms you value (healthcare) are lost too.

 

Here's a quote by Martin Niemoeller I posted on another thread but I think it also bodes well with what we are discussing here . You could easily exchange each different affiliation (Communism, Socialism, etc...) with the freedoms being restricted today (right to bear arms, healthcare, etc...).

 

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

It's funny that you mention studying history because my BA is in history. My apologies if you think a 30 second youtube chop job that has a 15 second speaking section immediately followed by still photos of Hitler is "real" political discussion.

 

What does the video have to do with anything I said?

[carlfense]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

Yes I did watch the link. Did you happen to notice that it is a 30 second blurb that provides no context whatsoever? Did you notice that it is a politically motivated hack job? I searched with google for 15 minutes to try to find what the topic of his talk was...all I could find was conspiracy theorists saying that the Fourth Reich is well on it's way. Is it possible he misspoke and meant to be talking about the Peace Corps or the National Guard? It might be. Unfortunately, with such a short agenda driven video there is literally NO WAY that I can take it seriously. If I could find a transcript or a video of the entire speech then MAYBE I could take it more seriously.

 

If you are honestly afraid for the future of your freedom as a citizen of the United States you are a little loony. Between Congress (which at the moment does not provide much of a check against executive power) and the Supreme Court (which is the REAL check) If I had the time and compulsion I could find you cases and statutes that show that your supposed "civilian army" is either illegal or straight up unconstitutional. Your point is moot. Nothing will change.

 

And for the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his policies for real reasons, not for flaky right wing conspiracy theories. Example, his proposed health care plan terrifies me.

 

Drop the Hitler and Communist comparisons. Until Obama kills 6 million+ it makes you look ridiculous.

 

So when he and his policies create a disaster, then she's allowed to compare him to what she thinks he is today? That's mighty noble of you. It's short-sighted thinking like that, that has allowed the Hitler's and Pol Pot's of the world to rule as they please. By calling her "ridiculous" or "loony" for studying history and finding correlations between the policies of Obama and those of some of the most evil, tyrannical men who have ever walked the face of the earth, shows that you are either ignorant of history or you really don't care all that much about retaining your freedom.

 

Also, what are your "real" reasons for disliking his policies? And who decides which person's dislikes are "real" and which are "conspiracy?" Obviously people are worried about the direction our country is headed and the reasons are fairly obvious. Freedoms are slowly disappearing, whether you believe it or not, and hopefully the tyranny will be stopped before the freedoms you value (healthcare) are lost too.

 

Here's a quote by Martin Niemoeller I posted on another thread but I think it also bodes well with what we are discussing here . You could easily exchange each different affiliation (Communism, Socialism, etc...) with the freedoms being restricted today (right to bear arms, healthcare, etc...).

 

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

It's funny that you mention studying history because my BA is in history. My apologies if you think a 30 second youtube chop job that has a 15 second speaking section immediately followed by still photos of Hitler is "real" political discussion.

 

What does the video have to do with anything I said?

 

The video was the start of the Hitler/Obama comparison that is the topic of discussion.

 

Where were you when the Patriot Act was passed? I don't remember Obama being responsible for that particular loss of freedoms. Where were you when people were being tortured? Where were you when people on US soil were declared enemy combatants and held without trial? You want to talk about loss of freedoms, blame the former more than the present.

 

As far as the right to bear arms (of which I am an ardent proponent), that is VERY secure at the moment. (Check out the recent case of District of Columbia v. Heller. It's on wikipedia.) Despite the hype, even if Obama wants to he is going to have a very, very hard time going after guns.

 

As far as Communism and Socialism (which should technically be communism and socialism...the former implies the political parties themselves, not the political doctrines) you have a slightly better argument. Taxing the rich and giving to the poor is socialism in a way. Unfortunately, this is not an Obama phenomenon. (Obama-non?) Taxing the (demonic!) rich and giving to the (noble!) poor is a plank of both parties. I don't agree with it, but we'll see if the decades of this particular American tradition can be overcome.

[SOCALHUSKER]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

Yes I did watch the link. Did you happen to notice that it is a 30 second blurb that provides no context whatsoever? Did you notice that it is a politically motivated hack job? I searched with google for 15 minutes to try to find what the topic of his talk was...all I could find was conspiracy theorists saying that the Fourth Reich is well on it's way. Is it possible he misspoke and meant to be talking about the Peace Corps or the National Guard? It might be. Unfortunately, with such a short agenda driven video there is literally NO WAY that I can take it seriously. If I could find a transcript or a video of the entire speech then MAYBE I could take it more seriously.

 

If you are honestly afraid for the future of your freedom as a citizen of the United States you are a little loony. Between Congress (which at the moment does not provide much of a check against executive power) and the Supreme Court (which is the REAL check) If I had the time and compulsion I could find you cases and statutes that show that your supposed "civilian army" is either illegal or straight up unconstitutional. Your point is moot. Nothing will change.

 

And for the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his policies for real reasons, not for flaky right wing conspiracy theories. Example, his proposed health care plan terrifies me.

 

Drop the Hitler and Communist comparisons. Until Obama kills 6 million+ it makes you look ridiculous.

 

So when he and his policies create a disaster, then she's allowed to compare him to what she thinks he is today? That's mighty noble of you. It's short-sighted thinking like that, that has allowed the Hitler's and Pol Pot's of the world to rule as they please. By calling her "ridiculous" or "loony" for studying history and finding correlations between the policies of Obama and those of some of the most evil, tyrannical men who have ever walked the face of the earth, shows that you are either ignorant of history or you really don't care all that much about retaining your freedom.

 

Also, what are your "real" reasons for disliking his policies? And who decides which person's dislikes are "real" and which are "conspiracy?" Obviously people are worried about the direction our country is headed and the reasons are fairly obvious. Freedoms are slowly disappearing, whether you believe it or not, and hopefully the tyranny will be stopped before the freedoms you value (healthcare) are lost too.

 

Here's a quote by Martin Niemoeller I posted on another thread but I think it also bodes well with what we are discussing here . You could easily exchange each different affiliation (Communism, Socialism, etc...) with the freedoms being restricted today (right to bear arms, healthcare, etc...).

 

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

It's funny that you mention studying history because my BA is in history. My apologies if you think a 30 second youtube chop job that has a 15 second speaking section immediately followed by still photos of Hitler is "real" political discussion.

 

(this phantasmal "civilian army" is not a real reason to dislike him because it is a legal impossibility . . . unless somehow Obama can find a new Supreme Court somewhere.)

 

And as for my reasons for disliking him, that ARE possible, I don't like his tax structure. I don't like his health care plan. I'm not for expanding Welfare or EBT. You know...things that are not some fantasy - sky is falling kind of thing that has become so regrettably common.

 

Well children, the sky is falling and here's the beginning of it for you. Once this ball gets rolling, they'll be no stopping it.

 

Obama Highlights National Service

 

Notice this: “We really believe that this is just the beginning,” Melody Barnes, director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, told reporters today, addressing the administration’s efforts to bolster service. She noted this law is in addition to the $200 million included in the stimulus package for AmeriCorps aid.

 

Word is Charlie Rangel is also attempting to push through another bill, similar to his HR 393 , which would require mandatory service and allows for a draft.

 

Good luck, I'm moving to Texas (hopefully they're still planning on seceding, HA HA!!)

[carlfense]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

Yes I did watch the link. Did you happen to notice that it is a 30 second blurb that provides no context whatsoever? Did you notice that it is a politically motivated hack job? I searched with google for 15 minutes to try to find what the topic of his talk was...all I could find was conspiracy theorists saying that the Fourth Reich is well on it's way. Is it possible he misspoke and meant to be talking about the Peace Corps or the National Guard? It might be. Unfortunately, with such a short agenda driven video there is literally NO WAY that I can take it seriously. If I could find a transcript or a video of the entire speech then MAYBE I could take it more seriously.

 

If you are honestly afraid for the future of your freedom as a citizen of the United States you are a little loony. Between Congress (which at the moment does not provide much of a check against executive power) and the Supreme Court (which is the REAL check) If I had the time and compulsion I could find you cases and statutes that show that your supposed "civilian army" is either illegal or straight up unconstitutional. Your point is moot. Nothing will change.

 

And for the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his policies for real reasons, not for flaky right wing conspiracy theories. Example, his proposed health care plan terrifies me.

 

Drop the Hitler and Communist comparisons. Until Obama kills 6 million+ it makes you look ridiculous.

 

So when he and his policies create a disaster, then she's allowed to compare him to what she thinks he is today? That's mighty noble of you. It's short-sighted thinking like that, that has allowed the Hitler's and Pol Pot's of the world to rule as they please. By calling her "ridiculous" or "loony" for studying history and finding correlations between the policies of Obama and those of some of the most evil, tyrannical men who have ever walked the face of the earth, shows that you are either ignorant of history or you really don't care all that much about retaining your freedom.

 

Also, what are your "real" reasons for disliking his policies? And who decides which person's dislikes are "real" and which are "conspiracy?" Obviously people are worried about the direction our country is headed and the reasons are fairly obvious. Freedoms are slowly disappearing, whether you believe it or not, and hopefully the tyranny will be stopped before the freedoms you value (healthcare) are lost too.

 

Here's a quote by Martin Niemoeller I posted on another thread but I think it also bodes well with what we are discussing here . You could easily exchange each different affiliation (Communism, Socialism, etc...) with the freedoms being restricted today (right to bear arms, healthcare, etc...).

 

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

It's funny that you mention studying history because my BA is in history. My apologies if you think a 30 second youtube chop job that has a 15 second speaking section immediately followed by still photos of Hitler is "real" political discussion.

 

(this phantasmal "civilian army" is not a real reason to dislike him because it is a legal impossibility . . . unless somehow Obama can find a new Supreme Court somewhere.)

 

And as for my reasons for disliking him, that ARE possible, I don't like his tax structure. I don't like his health care plan. I'm not for expanding Welfare or EBT. You know...things that are not some fantasy - sky is falling kind of thing that has become so regrettably common.

 

Well children, the sky is falling and here's the beginning of it for you. Once this ball gets rolling, they'll be no stopping it.

 

Obama Highlights National Service

 

Notice this: “We really believe that this is just the beginning,” Melody Barnes, director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, told reporters today, addressing the administration’s efforts to bolster service. She noted this law is in addition to the $200 million included in the stimulus package for AmeriCorps aid.

 

Word is Charlie Rangel is also attempting to push through another bill, similar to his HR 393 , which would require mandatory service and allows for a draft.

 

Good luck, I'm moving to Texas (hopefully they're still planning on seceding, HA HA!!)

 

Hahahahahaha. So this terrifying civilian army is actually the second coming of the CCC?! Wow. Watch your freedoms everyone, the Peace Corps is in town.

 

 

I'm sorry...this is hilarious. The videos and the blogs that I read when trying to find what the video was talking about kept talking about this well armed civilian army....and it's just a community service program.

[SOCALHUSKER]

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. Yikes.

 

(If you don't know Godwin's Law, you should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law AKA reductio ad hitlerum. Either way, the conversation is irrevocably lost if either Hitler or Nazi Germany are mentioned.)

 

Did you even watch the video? Go ahead, click the link and watch.

 

I'll repost the link here for your ease and convenience.

 

 

What I'm saying here guys is ask yourself some very basic questions about what you believe:

 

Do you believe in freedom?

Do you believe that individuals should be responsible for their own lives?

Do you think that the federal government has grown too large?

Do think that entitlement programs need to be expanded?

Do you think that the money you work so hard for should be taxed even more to fund entitlement programs?

 

 

If you answer yes to the first three questions and no to the second two then you seriously need to do some research on just exactly what Obama wants to do. Then, look into the people who he appointed as members of his cabinet and what they are trying to do. Trust me...it'll give you the creeps.

 

Yes I did watch the link. Did you happen to notice that it is a 30 second blurb that provides no context whatsoever? Did you notice that it is a politically motivated hack job? I searched with google for 15 minutes to try to find what the topic of his talk was...all I could find was conspiracy theorists saying that the Fourth Reich is well on it's way. Is it possible he misspoke and meant to be talking about the Peace Corps or the National Guard? It might be. Unfortunately, with such a short agenda driven video there is literally NO WAY that I can take it seriously. If I could find a transcript or a video of the entire speech then MAYBE I could take it more seriously.

 

If you are honestly afraid for the future of your freedom as a citizen of the United States you are a little loony. Between Congress (which at the moment does not provide much of a check against executive power) and the Supreme Court (which is the REAL check) If I had the time and compulsion I could find you cases and statutes that show that your supposed "civilian army" is either illegal or straight up unconstitutional. Your point is moot. Nothing will change.

 

And for the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I dislike his policies for real reasons, not for flaky right wing conspiracy theories. Example, his proposed health care plan terrifies me.

 

Drop the Hitler and Communist comparisons. Until Obama kills 6 million+ it makes you look ridiculous.

 

So when he and his policies create a disaster, then she's allowed to compare him to what she thinks he is today? That's mighty noble of you. It's short-sighted thinking like that, that has allowed the Hitler's and Pol Pot's of the world to rule as they please. By calling her "ridiculous" or "loony" for studying history and finding correlations between the policies of Obama and those of some of the most evil, tyrannical men who have ever walked the face of the earth, shows that you are either ignorant of history or you really don't care all that much about retaining your freedom.

 

Also, what are your "real" reasons for disliking his policies? And who decides which person's dislikes are "real" and which are "conspiracy?" Obviously people are worried about the direction our country is headed and the reasons are fairly obvious. Freedoms are slowly disappearing, whether you believe it or not, and hopefully the tyranny will be stopped before the freedoms you value (healthcare) are lost too.

 

Here's a quote by Martin Niemoeller I posted on another thread but I think it also bodes well with what we are discussing here . You could easily exchange each different affiliation (Communism, Socialism, etc...) with the freedoms being restricted today (right to bear arms, healthcare, etc...).

 

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

It's funny that you mention studying history because my BA is in history. My apologies if you think a 30 second youtube chop job that has a 15 second speaking section immediately followed by still photos of Hitler is "real" political discussion.

 

(this phantasmal "civilian army" is not a real reason to dislike him because it is a legal impossibility . . . unless somehow Obama can find a new Supreme Court somewhere.)

 

And as for my reasons for disliking him, that ARE possible, I don't like his tax structure. I don't like his health care plan. I'm not for expanding Welfare or EBT. You know...things that are not some fantasy - sky is falling kind of thing that has become so regrettably common.

 

Well children, the sky is falling and here's the beginning of it for you. Once this ball gets rolling, they'll be no stopping it.

 

Obama Highlights National Service

 

Notice this: “We really believe that this is just the beginning,” Melody Barnes, director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, told reporters today, addressing the administration’s efforts to bolster service. She noted this law is in addition to the $200 million included in the stimulus package for AmeriCorps aid.

 

Word is Charlie Rangel is also attempting to push through another bill, similar to his HR 393 , which would require mandatory service and allows for a draft.

 

Good luck, I'm moving to Texas (hopefully they're still planning on seceding, HA HA!!)

 

Hahahahahaha. So this terrifying civilian army is actually the second coming of the CCC?! Wow. Watch your freedoms everyone, the Peace Corps is in town.

 

 

I'm sorry...this is hilarious. The videos and the blogs that I read when trying to find what the video was talking about kept talking about this well armed civilian army....and it's just a community service program.

 

Keep laughing because that'll be coming. As a historian I think you would be well aware of the fact that once government gets its hands on something it's never giving it back and it only exploits and manipulates the programs to benefit its agenda.

 

Getting back to the original topic of this thread here's another article about the National Service Act, U.S. needs to replace greed with good deeds, which displays the absurdity of some people's thinking regarding our own rights and freedoms and the role of government

 

Just an example "In the economics of hope, people take little for themselves and generate actual value for others"

 

One of the comments below the article says it best when captainjameson9 responds, "whatever Daly, friggin worm. America is by far the most charitable and generous nation in the world. for every bit of greed there are good deeds ten fold. the economics of hope is called charity. govt doesn't produce anything but more govt. as for charity, this administration is trying to snuff it out so they can control the supply of charity. people giving freely of themselves to stock food banks and serve at community soup kitchens provides more value and character than dangling a carrot stick ($$$) to entice it. if you think charity is a good thing and you want to help your fellow citizens, your local place of worship has programs where you can volunteer. if you need to be payed, that makes you an employee, not a volunteer."

[carlfense]

 

Keep laughing because that'll be coming. As a historian I think you would be well aware of the fact that once government gets its hands on something it's never giving it back and it only exploits and manipulates the programs to benefit its agenda.

 

Getting back to the original topic of this thread here's another article about the National Service Act, U.S. needs to replace greed with good deeds, which displays the absurdity of some people's thinking regarding our own rights and freedoms and the role of government

 

Just an example "In the economics of hope, people take little for themselves and generate actual value for others"

 

One of the comments below the article says it best when captainjameson9 responds, "whatever Daly, friggin worm. America is by far the most charitable and generous nation in the world. for every bit of greed there are good deeds ten fold. the economics of hope is called charity. govt doesn't produce anything but more govt. as for charity, this administration is trying to snuff it out so they can control the supply of charity. people giving freely of themselves to stock food banks and serve at community soup kitchens provides more value and character than dangling a carrot stick ($$$) to entice it. if you think charity is a good thing and you want to help your fellow citizens, your local place of worship has programs where you can volunteer. if you need to be payed, that makes you an employee, not a volunteer."

 

I'm not a historian. I'm a law student. As far as your statement of the government grabbing something and not letting go, look up the Civilian Conservation Corps. (the CCC that I referenced earlier) It was implemented by FDR. It served it's purpose and it was phased out. If you want more examples I'd be happy to provide them.

 

What makes you think that will be coming? Intuition? Secret sources? Conspiracy theorists?