[Nexus]

Refer to post #20 below.

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You've seen the mock drafts that say the Lions might have their choice of defensive tackles in the NFL draft, Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh or Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy.
Assuming that happens -- and the Lions keep the No. 2 pick and haven't decided to go in a different direction after they started stockpiling defensive linemen last week -- whom would you take?

The experts agree they're both good but not on who's better.

McCoy's pretty sure it's him.

"Some people think that he's too nice," he said of Suh, last week on Dan Patrick's DirecTV show.

"He's not tough enough. I turn into a different type of guy when it's football time. As soon as I come out of the tunnel, I change. I don't know what it is.

"I think my first step is faster. I'm a little more of a speedy guy and pass rusher. I'm a little more of an explosive guy, while he fills holes."

McCoy also said whom he'd like to sack more than anybody, the guy who might be St. Louis' No. 1 pick, former Sooners teammate: "Sam Bradford. Definitely. Definitely."

He recalls how protective coaches were of Bradford in practice: "I remember just rubbing Sam's arm and the whole coaching staff wanted to kill me."

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[zoogies]

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"I think my first step is faster. I'm a little more of a speedy guy and pass rusher. I'm a little more of an explosive guy, while he fills holes."

yeah, I can see how McCoy would have some trouble in that department.

I think Suh will just keep his head down, say the right things, and let his play speak for itself. Gerald can jabber all he wants, but it won't make him better.

[hack]

here's how it should have gone down...

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You've seen the mock drafts that say the Lions might have their choice of defensive tackles in the NFL draft, Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh or Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy.
Assuming that happens -- and the Lions keep the No. 2 pick and haven't decided to go in a different direction after they started stockpiling defensive linemen last week -- whom would you take?

The experts agree they're both good but not on who's better.

McCoy's pretty sure it's him.

"Some people think that he's too nice," he said of Suh, last week on Dan Patrick's DirecTV show.

"He's not tough enou-"

But McCoy was unable to finish his sentence because Ndamukong Suh crashed through the brick like the Kool Aid Man and laid the former Sooner lineman out like a cheap throw rug.

The projected first round draft pick went fetal and started crying like a school girl as Suh towered above McCoy shouting, "PUNK SAYS, 'WHAT?'" and "YEAH, I THOUGHT SO!"

Before leaving, Suh signed autographs and posed for pictures with various onlookers.



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[huskernumerouno]

hack, on 07 March 2010 - 05:08 AM, said:

here's how it should have gone down...

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You've seen the mock drafts that say the Lions might have their choice of defensive tackles in the NFL draft, Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh or Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy.
Assuming that happens -- and the Lions keep the No. 2 pick and haven't decided to go in a different direction after they started stockpiling defensive linemen last week -- whom would you take?

The experts agree they're both good but not on who's better.

McCoy's pretty sure it's him.

"Some people think that he's too nice," he said of Suh, last week on Dan Patrick's DirecTV show.

"He's not tough enou-"

But McCoy was unable to finish his sentence because Ndamukong Suh crashed through the brick like the Kool Aid Man and laid the former Sooner lineman out like a cheap throw rug.

The projected first round draft pick went fetal and started crying like a school girl as Suh towered above McCoy shouting, "PUNK SAYS, 'WHAT?'" and "YEAH, I THOUGHT SO!"

Before leaving, Suh signed autographs and posed for pictures with various onlookers.



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LMAO

[Touchdown Tommie]

Right....McCoy's toughness was truly shown throughout the year/career. I believe Suh had more tackley this year then "tough guy" had in his career.

[walksalone]

[ESPY]

Talk is cheap. You know Suh heard what McCoy said & is just boiling under the surface. Just wait till gametime.

[accountability]

I dont recall ever seeing McCoy throwing the top Heisman contender accross the field like a rag doll for the whole world to see after coming thru a double team like water thru toilet papaer. LITERALLY.

[irafreak]

Or being held by the texass lineman and still dragging mccoy down with one arm...
Or tossing the Oklahoma lineman back into sam bradford knocking them both to the turf...

[Overland Park Husker]

zoogies, on 07 March 2010 - 04:28 AM, said:

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"I think my first step is faster. I'm a little more of a speedy guy and pass rusher. I'm a little more of an explosive guy, while he fills holes."

I think Suh will just keep his head down, say the right things, and let his play speak for itself. Gerald can jabber all he wants, but it won't make him better.

Talk is cheap.

[suh_fan93]

I cannot wait until the NFL season starts. I hope Suh destroys McCoy in terms of first year success.

[Captain Hook]

I think McCoy is a much better player than his stats show, and a MUCH better player than we give him credit for. Don't misunderstand me, he of course, is no Suh. Does he talk too much? yes. Is Suh a better person? yes. I just think we're all just quick to bash him.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

Didnt Jason Peter say the same thing of Suh going into this past year? Maybe McCoy should have tried intimidating those weights into lifting themselves a few more reps at the combine.

[kansas husker]

zoogies, on 07 March 2010 - 04:28 AM, said:

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"I think my first step is faster. I'm a little more of a speedy guy and pass rusher. I'm a little more of an explosive guy, while he fills holes."

yeah, I can see how McCoy would have some trouble in that department.

I think Suh will just keep his head down, say the right things, and let his play speak for itself. Gerald can jabber all he wants, but it won't make him better.

How did this whole suh is a gap filler stuff start?

[huKSer]

kansas husker, on 07 March 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

zoogies, on 07 March 2010 - 04:28 AM, said:

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"I think my first step is faster. I'm a little more of a speedy guy and pass rusher. I'm a little more of an explosive guy, while he fills holes."

yeah, I can see how McCoy would have some trouble in that department.

I think Suh will just keep his head down, say the right things, and let his play speak for itself. Gerald can jabber all he wants, but it won't make him better.

How did this whole suh is a gap filler stuff start?

Well . . . You see in a double team one guy tries to block Suh on the right side and another guy tries to block him from the left. Between the two blockers is a (temporary) gap. Unless its a triple team, then the guy in the middle gets manhandled and thrown to the side like a rag doll.

[mmmtodd]

I have developed a severe dislike for McCoy, and his attitude seems completely fake to me. In all of his interviews during the combine, he came off cocky, too playful, not serious. Had that air of false superiority, if that makes sense. Or a false bravado. I think out of the two, McCoy is going to be the one that has a nasty, veteran led wake-up call at training camp.

[Chucktown Husker]

McCoy = DB

Based on the new information coming to light, I retract my previous statement. Sorry Mr. McCoy.

[huzkerbob]

Not tough enough? 2010 stats aside, this talk is coming from the guy who jumped a half foot shorter than Suh, (explosiveness) and only benched 250lbs 23 times! (power) Oh my, you must be a total beast!




I guess it IS good to see someone is buying into all of Mike Mayock's McCoy hype.........................too bad it's mostly Gerald himself!

[NUBackInBlack38]

Look at all the heat Suh has got over the season, i have not seen a more pure, humble person in my life in sports than Mr. Suh. McCoy is a fool and talk is cheap. His stats say otherwise about FILLING HOLES. Have fun going 2nd round McCoy. You Douche.

[JTrain]

What a load of sensationalistic crap by Mr. Schrader there, not to mention blatantly taking quotes out of context. This whole article is absolute nonsense. He obviously didn't have anything of importance to write about, so he twisted a silly, laid back interview.

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DP: Could you ever root for someone from Nebraska (to be the #1 pick)?
GM: Yeah, I mean, why not? Me and Ndamukong have a pretty good relationship... pretty good friends. He's rooting for me and I'm rooting for him, there's no hard feelings towards each other. So if he's the number one pick, we'll rock with him.

The quote: "He's not tough enough" WAS NOT ABOUT SUH. Same thing about being too nice. It was about what the critics think about McCoy. Schrader knew this and wrote the article to make it look like he was talking about Suh. This whole article is absolutely ridiculous. Listen to the actual interview (McCoy comes on a little past the halfway point) if you don't believe me.

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DP: Do you think your (laid back) personality can work against you with certain teams that say, 'you know what, maybe he's not a killer.'
GM: Yeah, some people think that. They think oh, he's too nice. He's not tough enough. But anybody who watched me at those drills in the combine... you look at my face you can see I turn into a different person.

McCoy had nothing but nice things to say about Suh (and Bradford). He never once stated or insinuated that he was better than Suh. The only time he even compared himself was when DP said (paraphrasing): "Pretend I'm the GM of the Rams, tell me why I should take you instead of Suh." McCoy was just playing along, and talked about his quick first step. DP also asked if they went in a room together (Suh and McCoy) and the one that came out (last man standing) got to be the #1 pick, who would it be. McCoy simply joked around, saying he would let Suh go in first, stick one foot in just to say he was in the room, then shut the door.

McCoy was completely classy the whole interview and said he wouldn't mind at all if Bradford or Suh went before him.

[Enhance89]

I look at this for what it is: a guy trying to separate himself and earn the number 1 overall pick.

That said, I think anybody who knows anything about football can pretty much down-grade anything McCoy said. I don't care if Nebraska runs a "read and react" defense or not, because Suh embarrassed McCoy statistically this last year and outdid him in almost every combine drill.

[NUBackInBlack38]

Soooooo sick of haters, but i suppose it comes with the territory. Nebraska is always been looked down upon it's complete garbage and when Suh takes #1, hopefully temporarily it'll shut up these ignoramuces .

[BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA]

huzkerbob, on 07 March 2010 - 12:08 PM, said:

Not tough enough? 2010 stats aside, this talk is coming from the guy who jumped a half foot shorter than Suh, (explosiveness) and only benched 250lbs 23 times! (power) Oh my, you must be a total beast!




I guess it IS good to see someone is buying into all of Mike Mayock's McCoy hype.........................too bad it's mostly Gerald himself!

All true except they bench 225 pounds.

Thing that irks me is people say McCoys stats are less because he played in a rotation system. So now we're dealing with imaginary what-if stats? You can only count what ACTUALLY happened.

[Fuzzy]

Someone should let McCoy know that a pass rusher isn't defined by how many sacks he has. There are hurries, pass deflections, and interceptions. All of which Suh has outdone McCoy in.

[mmmtodd]

BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA, on 07 March 2010 - 01:41 PM, said:

huzkerbob, on 07 March 2010 - 12:08 PM, said:

Not tough enough? 2010 stats aside, this talk is coming from the guy who jumped a half foot shorter than Suh, (explosiveness) and only benched 250lbs 23 times! (power) Oh my, you must be a total beast!




I guess it IS good to see someone is buying into all of Mike Mayock's McCoy hype.........................too bad it's mostly Gerald himself!

All true except they bench 225 pounds.

Thing that irks me is people say McCoys stats are less because he played in a rotation system. So now we're dealing with imaginary what-if stats? You can only count what ACTUALLY happened.

This, plus, if a guy had to be rotated in college, he's all of the sudden worthy of a number one pick to sit on the bench in the NFL? Or hes magically going to be able to be in on every snap against infinitely better competition? This "pass" vs "run" stuff is horsecrap too. Everyone knows these things ebb and flow in the NFL, but ultimately, the ability to stop the run is king. What happens when the defenses catch up to the pass? When they catch up to the gimmicky wildcat packages? The McCoy-is-quicker-pass-rushing-blah-blah-blah seem like shortsighted arguments to a long-term decision. None of it adds up to me. Suh dominates in every area-like you say, IT HAPPENED.

[JTrain]

Nexus, can you change the thread title to "Steve Schafer is a libeller"

Or if not that, at least make it accurate: Gerald McCoy on what his critics say: "He's not tough enough."

Everyone really needs to listen to the actual interview, or look at the real quotes in context (in my post above). Schafer's article contains multiple lies that completely manipulate McCoy's real quotes.

- He DID NOT say he's better than Suh.
- He DID NOT say Suh's "not tough enough".
- He DID NOT say Suh's "too nice".

[Ohio Pete]

Looks like some blogger has the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader.

[NUBackInBlack38]

if that's the case, i LOL

[mmmtodd]

I think people are aware, JTRAIN. My posts, and others, have nothing to do with what is contained in the "interview." My opinions of him and the contest between the two were formed well before this drivel. This guys article doesnt have any affect on the opinions I, and many others have already formed. Most everyone here already thinks its nonsense that anyone believes McCoy is a better player, athlete, or man, period...are tired of general Suh downgrading/bashing/McCoy hype...and I think thats what you see coming out in this thread, regardless of whether people are taking this article at face value.

[suh_fan93]

I had no idea the source was actually a blogger who was just twisting McCoy's words. I hope that blogger loses viewers and also hope that both McCoy and Suh do well at the next level.

[huKSer]

But, but it was on the internet. It must be true!

[JTrain]

mmmtodd, on 07 March 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

I think people are aware, JTRAIN. My posts, and others, have nothing to do with what is contained in the "interview." My opinions of him and the contest between the two were formed well before this drivel. This guys article doesnt have any affect on the opinions I, and many others have already formed. Most everyone here already thinks its nonsense that anyone believes McCoy is a better player, athlete, or man, period...are tired of general Suh downgrading/bashing/McCoy hype...and I think thats what you see coming out in this thread, regardless of whether people are taking this article at face value.

Maybe a few were aware, but based on responses, many weren't. Bottom line is that McCoy and Suh are actually friends, they will both be top three picks and make many millions, and both will probably be successful NFL players.

[REDSTEEL]

irafreak, on 07 March 2010 - 09:51 AM, said:

Or being held by the texass lineman and still dragging mccoy down with one arm...
Or tossing the Oklahoma lineman back into sam bradford knocking them both to the turf...

Sam didn't play in the Nu game this year.

[kansas husker]

My anger at McCoy was very misplace. I still think Maycock,or whichever talking head on the four-letter network started all the McCoy>Suh is the king of all the DB.

[zoogies]

LOL

My sincere apologies to Mr. McCoy.

Wow - I thought it was strange to see that kind of smack coming out of a guy who was posing with Suh for SI pictures, but I figured he was just that kinda guy. I guess not.

Shame shame SHAME on the author of the article.

[jsneb83]

Well the "real" draft expert (aka Kiper) has Suh higher than McCoy on his draft board and mock draft. He even said Suh was the best DT he's seen in his 32 years of covering the draft. So I am gonna believe him more than the other douches.

[Nexus]

Edited the title and first post.