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D. I watch both CNN and Fox to try and get the most unbias opinion.

 

Here is my opinion:

 

There are things in this bill that I agree with. The pre-existing conditions, the doughnut in medicare is fine, and staying on your parents healthcare till your 26 is probably okay. I think 26 is kind of old for that but I can see why they would want something like that.

 

This was a 2000 page bill that not all of the people that voted on it read. I dont know why the voting was even started if they had not all read it. It was also passed through in the most corrupt way possible. Not a single republican voted on it. I cant remember the last time the republican party has been so one sided like that. Obama needed 216 votes to get it through. There are something like 250 democrats in the House. If it had been such a great bill that he insists it is what was the problem getting it through? With that many democrats in the house it should have had no problems getting through. He had to buy the 219 that he got and make some other executive orders to get the remaining 5 or 6.

 

There was a bill and a reconciliation bill voted on yesterday. If you have to reconcile the original bill on the same day that you vote on it, why vote it through? Why not vote it down and keep working on the original bill?

 

Also I am an American that values keeping more of the money that you make, work ethic, and I am a very proud person. I dont like to accept handouts because I value my independence. I dont like the government to have as much control over things as the current administration is shooting for. I also think that people should have a choice on who they are charitable towards. Instead the government has control over that as well.

 

So as you can see my opinion is based upon several facts and critical thinking.

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I tend to surf political blogs like Drudgereport, search CNN, and spend a small amount of time with cspan.

 

It is very hard to get unbiased opinions in general. Every single writer has an agenda. I wish I could tell you I read the bill but gave up b/c of the jargon and cause I was hungover and couldn't concentrate.

 

A few links:

 

Click here for a the breakdown of each vote

 

A Guide to the vote on opencongress.com

 

Links to the reconciliation act which amends HR 3200

 

The Proposal according to the Whitehouse.gov

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I really wish that republicans would stop with the "Were not listening to the American public" if we pass this bill :bs: . Like you all have listened before with the last 8 years, but now all of the sudden your here to make it all better... <_< The Bi-Partisan bickering is driving me nuts. To me it just shows that the GOP wants nothing more but to regain the majority and to make Obama look foolish, but the more "liar and baby killer" rants are really helping their cause. :sarcasm One thing I will say is that this President has tried to follow through on his campaign promises, Health care in America is a sham right now anyway, IT NEEDS FIXED no matter how you slice it. Just my 2 cents guys!

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I really wish that republicans would stop with the "Were not listening to the American public" if we pass this bill :bs: . Like you all have listened before with the last 8 years, but now all of the sudden your here to make it all better... <_< The Bi-Partisan bickering is driving me nuts. To me it just shows that the GOP wants nothing more but to regain the majority and to make Obama look foolish, but the more "liar and baby killer" rants are really helping their cause. :sarcasm One thing I will say is that this President has tried to follow through on his campaign promises, Health care in America is a sham right now anyway, IT NEEDS FIXED no matter how you slice it. Just my 2 cents guys!

Most of the discussion on this board has been about "how it needs to be fixed" and not don't pass it cause I'm a republican. Your "no matter how you slice it comment" is exactly why I don't like what just happen. Take the time to figure out what needs to be done SO IT IS DONE THE RIGHT WAY.....not rush it through so we can have another situation like Social Security or run-away costs. I would like this healthcare debate to last until Obama's last month in office. That way I can at least believe we tried to do our best.

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I really wish that republicans would stop with the "Were not listening to the American public" if we pass this bill :bs: . Like you all have listened before with the last 8 years, but now all of the sudden your here to make it all better... <_< The Bi-Partisan bickering is driving me nuts. To me it just shows that the GOP wants nothing more but to regain the majority and to make Obama look foolish, but the more "liar and baby killer" rants are really helping their cause. :sarcasm One thing I will say is that this President has tried to follow through on his campaign promises, Health care in America is a sham right now anyway, IT NEEDS FIXED no matter how you slice it. Just my 2 cents guys!

I would agree with you on a couple of things. Obama certainly has followed through on campaign promises, no matter how badly they have hurt the country. We need to remember that elections have consequences.

 

Health care does need to be fixed, however, this bill does NOTHING to FIX the health care situation we have (which is not a sham, it's probably the greatest health care in the world). This bill simply does what Demoncrats have done for years, throw money at the situation, and when it fails, they'll throw more money at it. The simple fact that many Demoncrats voted against it, and the fact that Congress will not be forced to use the same healthcare as us "peasants" should tell us all we need to know about this travesty of the American political system.

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I really wish that republicans would stop with the "Were not listening to the American public" if we pass this bill :bs: . Like you all have listened before with the last 8 years, but now all of the sudden your here to make it all better... <_< The Bi-Partisan bickering is driving me nuts. To me it just shows that the GOP wants nothing more but to regain the majority and to make Obama look foolish, but the more "liar and baby killer" rants are really helping their cause. :sarcasm One thing I will say is that this President has tried to follow through on his campaign promises, Health care in America is a sham right now anyway, IT NEEDS FIXED no matter how you slice it. Just my 2 cents guys!

Most of the discussion on this board has been about "how it needs to be fixed" and not don't pass it cause I'm a republican. Your "no matter how you slice it comment" is exactly why I don't like what just happen. Take the time to figure out what needs to be done SO IT IS DONE THE RIGHT WAY.....not rush it through so we can have another situation like Social Security or run-away costs. I would like this healthcare debate to last until Obama's last month in office. That way I can at least believe we tried to do our best.

 

I know exactly what you mean, but this is something that just didn't get dreamed up either, previous administrations have pushed this, but it is like the "plague" or something. I think it is about time someone stepped up to the plate. This is a very divided debate and to which side you stand is to your own and I totally respect all of that, but don't sell me the NEEDS DONE THE RIGHT WAY either b/c I don't think either party really knows how to do that :laughpound I do like your last sentence though... As much as I did not agree with many things of the Bush Admin, I do think they tried their best and now its time to see what the other side of the table brings. :cheers

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I really wish that republicans would stop with the "Were not listening to the American public" if we pass this bill :bs: . Like you all have listened before with the last 8 years, but now all of the sudden your here to make it all better... <_< The Bi-Partisan bickering is driving me nuts. To me it just shows that the GOP wants nothing more but to regain the majority and to make Obama look foolish, but the more "liar and baby killer" rants are really helping their cause. :sarcasm One thing I will say is that this President has tried to follow through on his campaign promises, Health care in America is a sham right now anyway, IT NEEDS FIXED no matter how you slice it. Just my 2 cents guys!

I couldn't disagree with you more...

Our healthcare system was/is one of the best if not THE best in the world. If you have a life-threatening emergency the Dr's hypocratic oath will not allow them to turn you away. So this notion that people die all the time from no health coverage is not accurate. Second...IT'S NOT FREE!!! The real problem lies within the cost and as a medical student graduating in August I can tell you the majority of costs and headaches come from government mandated garbage like HIPAA that try to tell Dr's how to do their job and keep things confidential. Any dr worth anything already respects a patient's privacy.

 

What you will have from all of this is everybody beating down the doors of all the dr's offices whenever they sneeze because they can now afford to do so and the already over worked dr will now be overloaded. A fellow classmate of mine lived in England with their socialized system and he had a life threatening emergency (appendicitis) and it took almost 3 months to get him in for surgery and the DR there told him afterwards that they barely made it in time.

 

Combine this with the way obama is regulating people that make more money than others and people will stop going into the medical field because who wants long hard demanding hours and less compensation for it?

 

Our system isn't broken. It needs some modifications. Tell me someone you know personally that almost or did die from a situation like my classmate? This is a true disaster and it's going to still come down to who has the most money to get the treatment...because you can't tell me when it's life or death and the middle class man with nothing to offer (under the table) is competing for the doctor's immediate attention against the man that has a stash set back...

 

So this notion that we needed to fix something is foolish. Bipartisanship should NOT happen except in times of war. Our founding fathers drew up the constitution so that the President, Congress, and Judiciary would always be fighting so a super majority could never be gained. The government was meant to call the country to arms in her time of defense against enemies NOT be the big brother or father of us all. The people that still can't see the push for power that is being made...well you're lost for good.

 

An interesting thought though....in the bible a story is told of God's people wanting a king to rule over them...America asked for this man to be their king...and make no mistake our president sees himself as a better man that all of us. He promised to lower the bloody tides for crying out loud! What arrogance...

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Ira, I agree and I disagree with you. Yes, we have good healthcare in America, but we're 15th among industrialized nations in healthcare - 37th when you factor in the cost (which isn't necessarily applicable, but can't be ignored). Socialized systems like Canada's and France's rank higher than ours. This notion that we don't have to fix anything in our system is wrong.

 

Now, you ask if we know anyone who almost died? I'll put my wife up, who was about as sick with cancer as anyone you're likely to meet. She went through ten months of chemo, surgery and radiation, and she's here today because our health system is pretty good. So that's an endorsement of American healthcare.

 

But as good as we are, you can't tell me that we can't be better, and that we can't provide healthcare cheaper. We can.

 

That doesn't mean that THIS fix is THE RIGHT ONE. I'll bet it's not. But what it is is a step towards trying to get it fixed. It's possible this could turn out to be the best thing in the history of things everywhere. I'm not holding my breath for that. It's also possible that this could be a huge step backwards. Let's all hope and pray it isn't.

 

Mostly, let's tell our elected officials that this system doesn't work as well as it could, and that we want it to be better. The struggle for good healthcare in America doesn't stop here. This should be viewed as the beginning.

 

Good luck in your schooling. Here's hoping you'll have a happy, successful career. :thumbs

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An interesting thought though....in the bible a story is told of God's people wanting a king to rule over them...America asked for this man to be their king...and make no mistake our president sees himself as a better man that all of us. He promised to lower the bloody tides for crying out loud! What arrogance...

 

What is this about? When did Obama promise to lower the tides? If this is true I want to see it. If it's an exaggeration, that doesn't help you make your point.

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I really wish that republicans would stop with the "Were not listening to the American public" if we pass this bill :bs: . Like you all have listened before with the last 8 years, but now all of the sudden your here to make it all better... <_< The Bi-Partisan bickering is driving me nuts. To me it just shows that the GOP wants nothing more but to regain the majority and to make Obama look foolish, but the more "liar and baby killer" rants are really helping their cause. :sarcasm One thing I will say is that this President has tried to follow through on his campaign promises, Health care in America is a sham right now anyway, IT NEEDS FIXED no matter how you slice it. Just my 2 cents guys!

I couldn't disagree with you more...

Our healthcare system was/is one of the best if not THE best in the world. If you have a life-threatening emergency the Dr's hypocratic oath will not allow them to turn you away. So this notion that people die all the time from no health coverage is not accurate. Second...IT'S NOT FREE!!! The real problem lies within the cost and as a medical student graduating in August I can tell you the majority of costs and headaches come from government mandated garbage like HIPAA that try to tell Dr's how to do their job and keep things confidential. Any dr worth anything already respects a patient's privacy.

 

What you will have from all of this is everybody beating down the doors of all the dr's offices whenever they sneeze because they can now afford to do so and the already over worked dr will now be overloaded. A fellow classmate of mine lived in England with their socialized system and he had a life threatening emergency (appendicitis) and it took almost 3 months to get him in for surgery and the DR there told him afterwards that they barely made it in time.

 

Combine this with the way obama is regulating people that make more money than others and people will stop going into the medical field because who wants long hard demanding hours and less compensation for it?

 

Our system isn't broken. It needs some modifications. Tell me someone you know personally that almost or did die from a situation like my classmate? This is a true disaster and it's going to still come down to who has the most money to get the treatment...because you can't tell me when it's life or death and the middle class man with nothing to offer (under the table) is competing for the doctor's immediate attention against the man that has a stash set back...

 

So this notion that we needed to fix something is foolish. Bipartisanship should NOT happen except in times of war. Our founding fathers drew up the constitution so that the President, Congress, and Judiciary would always be fighting so a super majority could never be gained. The government was meant to call the country to arms in her time of defense against enemies NOT be the big brother or father of us all. The people that still can't see the push for power that is being made...well you're lost for good.

 

An interesting thought though....in the bible a story is told of God's people wanting a king to rule over them...America asked for this man to be their king...and make no mistake our president sees himself as a better man that all of us. He promised to lower the bloody tides for crying out loud! What arrogance...

 

Sorry man, don't know how my comments generated something like that, but don't preach about personal issues. I lost my Dad at age 58 and my sister at age 26, so I really don't tend to hear how great our Health care is or to further dive into personal experiences. Everybody has their opinion on this and excuse me for not agreeing with yours, nor you with mine. Congrats on med school, great accomplishment! My sister in-law is a Dr and could not be happier to have her in the family.

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Ira, I agree and I disagree with you. Yes, we have good healthcare in America, but we're 15th among industrialized nations in healthcare - 37th when you factor in the cost (which isn't necessarily applicable, but can't be ignored). Socialized systems like Canada's and France's rank higher than ours. This notion that we don't have to fix anything in our system is wrong.

 

Now, you ask if we know anyone who almost died? I'll put my wife up, who was about as sick with cancer as anyone you're likely to meet. She went through ten months of chemo, surgery and radiation, and she's here today because our health system is pretty good. So that's an endorsement of American healthcare.

 

But as good as we are, you can't tell me that we can't be better, and that we can't provide healthcare cheaper. We can.

 

That doesn't mean that THIS fix is THE RIGHT ONE. I'll bet it's not. But what it is is a step towards trying to get it fixed. It's possible this could turn out to be the best thing in the history of things everywhere. I'm not holding my breath for that. It's also possible that this could be a huge step backwards. Let's all hope and pray it isn't.

 

Mostly, let's tell our elected officials that this system doesn't work as well as it could, and that we want it to be better. The struggle for good healthcare in America doesn't stop here. This should be viewed as the beginning.

 

Good luck in your schooling. Here's hoping you'll have a happy, successful career. :thumbs

First, in another posting I did a couple months back, I have thoroughly debunked the WHO's claim about the US being 37th in healthcare worldwide.

 

If people had taken the time to actually read the report, they would see that the WHO ranks the United States number one in patient responsiveness and care, but putting the United States as number one offends the WHO's socialist sensibilities, so they had to find a way to lower America's ranking. They were at least nice enough in the report to admit what they were doing and how they did it. The WHO figures into the ranking weather or not the country in question has socialized health care, that means that if health care dollars come from the private sector, charities or the consumer the WHO lowers the ranking. The WHO also skews the mortality rates by including people who die from crime, accidents, and more importantly WAR.

 

The WHO divides the report into sections – Here is the section on patient responsiveness and level of care – the United States is ranked number one http://www.who.int/w.../annex06_en.pdf

 

The WHO ranks the United States overall as 37 because we don't have socialized health care; meaning that doesn't meet socialists standard of "fairness".

 

http://www.who.int/w...en/whr00_en.pdf – look here and do a search for the words "fairness in contributions" to see for yourself.

 

 

This means that the ranking of 37 has little to do with the quality of care people receive, and it has everything to do with ideology and politics -- egalitarianism.

 

But as good as we are, you can't tell me that we can't be better, and that we can't provide healthcare cheaper. We can.

Are you advocating for price controls? At the expense of what? New technology? New drugs? Life saving procedures?

 

Here's what happens when the government tries to price fix by mandate....

Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16

Walgreens will stop taking new Medicaid patients in Washington state as of April 16, saying it loses money filling their prescriptions.

 

By Janet I. Tu

 

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens' decision:

 

Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won't take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.

 

The company, which operates 121 stores in the state, will continue filling Medicaid prescriptions for current patients.

 

In a news release, Walgreens said its decision to not take new Medicaid patients stemmed from a "continued reduction in reimbursement" under the state's Medicaid program, which reimburses it at less than the break-even point for 95 percent of brand-name medications dispensed to Medicaid patents.

 

Walgreens follows Bartell Drugs, which stopped taking new Medicaid patients last month at all 57 of its stores in Washington, though it still fills Medicaid prescriptions for existing customers at all but 15 of those stores.....

 

Along with Walgreens and Bartell, the Ritzville Drug Company in Adams County announced in November that it would stop participating in Medicaid. Fred Meyer and Safeway said their pharmacies would continue to serve existing Medicaid patients and to take new ones, though both expressed concern that the reimbursement rate is too low for pharmacies to make a profit.

 

The amount private insurers and Medicaid pay pharmacies for prescriptions isn't the actual cost of those drugs but rather is based on what's called the drug's estimated average wholesale price. But that figure is more like the sticker price on a car than its actual wholesale cost.

 

Washington was reimbursing pharmacies 86 percent of a drug's average wholesale price until July, when it began paying them just 84 percent. While pharmacies weren't happy about the reimbursement reduction, the Department of Social and Health Services said that move was expected to save the state about $10 million.

 

 

New technology, drugs, and procedures are expensive to develop and implement. Billions and billions of dollars are spent every year by companies and grants to colleges to develop the next generation of life saving technology. I don't know where costs can be curtailed without impacting quality or development.

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sarge, you're telling us that there is no waste in our healthcare industry? Faith and begorrah! It's a miracle! :)

 

And I'll the WSJ's word over WHO's about where we rank. And if you read what I said, I wrote that we're more likely 15th than 37th. The problem is that you cannot ignore the cost of healthcare. Adjusted numbers by the Wall Street Journal:

 

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Regardless of whose numbers you use, the bottom line is, it could be better. And when healthcare costs rise like they have been and are projected to continue, something needs to be done or Middle Americans will be priced out of this great healthcare in the next decade.

 

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