Fire gilmore now...
#1
Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:21 PM
#2
Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:22 PM

#3
Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:22 PM
Gilmore drives me insane. Enough said.

#5
Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:29 PM
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:32 PM
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:45 PM
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 06:16 PM
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 06:25 PM
#11
Posted 16 October 2010 - 06:31 PM
chamrocck, on 16 October 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:
I don't think Pelini and Frost see eye to eye for some reason, heard it before.
#12
Posted 16 October 2010 - 06:41 PM
jas11, on 16 October 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:
A wr coach being held responsible because his wrs drop balls all over the place? Nah.....just blame the players.
It worked for Coz, Callahan, Bohl, etc...
#13
Posted 16 October 2010 - 07:59 PM
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 10:37 PM
#16
Posted 16 October 2010 - 11:35 PM
#17
Posted 16 October 2010 - 11:42 PM
accountability, on 16 October 2010 - 11:35 PM, said:
I'm also tottering on Watson. In eight quarters of football he has zero touchdowns against Will Muschamp. Ultimately the drops excuse doesn't matter. Your receivers drop the ball? Put receivers in who can catch. Don't have any? Recruit them. Whatever the reason is, it's Watson's problem. But it's also Gilmore's problem. That guy is nothing but dead weight, both in recruiting and as a coach. We get absolutely no interest from top-tier high school wideouts, and it seems like we'll be mining the JUCO ranks forever. Getting average to good receivers might be all right if they developed under him, but they don't. And they won't.
Niles IMO has plum worked himself out of a job. He just can't catch. That's what we call a PROBLEM when you're a wide receiver.

#18
Posted 16 October 2010 - 11:53 PM
maskershake, on 16 October 2010 - 06:27 PM, said:
Two complete different things. If our WR's werent blocking or were running bad routes then yes fire Gilmore. BUt if its only dropped passes blame the players.
Hate the game not the playa.
Yep just brought that one out
#19
Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:13 AM
Our receivers block well... but they are to catch the ball first and foremost. I understand the players are the ones that need to execute, but the coaches are the ones that put them in a position to succeed through preparation, coaching, drills, film, etc. When we see a single position group ROUTINELY fail to execute, and this isn't just 1 group of players, it's several players that have entered the system, then there is a major cause of concern. I see this with our WR's, and to a lesser extent our OL. Watson is a topic in it's own.
but we are freaking nebraska... we don't need to settle for second or third rate coaches. "OK" or doing "Alright" does not cut it.
#20
Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:17 AM
jas11, on 16 October 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:
I didn't know that this was the first year we've dealt with dropped passes....we've dealt with it for nearly.....well as long as we started relying on the pass....how many Texas Tech recievers would drop those passes? or even Baylor? Baylor catches everything these days.....
It is totally on Gilmore, and those who don't think so are totally in denial...
#21
Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:20 AM
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:20 AM
#23
Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:23 AM
HuskerT, on 17 October 2010 - 12:20 AM, said:
its one thing when we fumble cuz they put their helmet directly on the ball, its another when you drop the ball when it has been thrown to the perfect spot....or fumbled when running down the sideline being ankle tapped....(niles paul vs Iowa State 2009)
#24
Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:34 AM
StreeterCL, on 17 October 2010 - 12:23 AM, said:
HuskerT, on 17 October 2010 - 12:20 AM, said:
its one thing when we fumble cuz they put their helmet directly on the ball, its another when you drop the ball when it has been thrown to the perfect spot....or fumbled when running down the sideline being ankle tapped....(niles paul vs Iowa State 2009)
I won't argue that Paul should have been yanked, but there's plenty of blame to go around. I don't think it all rests on Gilmore.
#25
Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:34 AM
HuskerT, on 17 October 2010 - 12:20 AM, said:
No - because our RB's havent been a revolving door of FAIL for 3 years in a row.
#26
Posted 17 October 2010 - 01:16 AM
Part of being a leader, Bo - you got to know when you need to let a guy go, that you like and are friends with (potentially including a certain offensive lines coach...but I guess Barney is being given a pass by most of us for now). Ask Bill Callahan how it goes if you don't.

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 01:26 AM
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 01:35 AM
#30
Posted 17 October 2010 - 08:00 AM
bshirt, on 16 October 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:
Alright...your receiver just dropped a pass that hit him squarely in the hands and there was no one within 10 yards of him. Go coach him up. What would you do?
The receivers were in the right place constantly throughout the game. The routes were run pretty well. Blocking from them has been pretty good. The receiver has to catch the ball...that's on him. There's only so much a coach can do in that situation.
I'd agree, it's on the coaches if the receivers are out there every week dropping numerous balls, but that's really not happening.
#31
Posted 17 October 2010 - 10:36 AM
jas11, on 17 October 2010 - 08:00 AM, said:
bshirt, on 16 October 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:
Alright...your receiver just dropped a pass that hit him squarely in the hands and there was no one within 10 yards of him. Go coach him up. What would you do?
The receivers were in the right place constantly throughout the game. The routes were run pretty well. Blocking from them has been pretty good. The receiver has to catch the ball...that's on him. There's only so much a coach can do in that situation.
I'd agree, it's on the coaches if the receivers are out there every week dropping numerous balls, but that's really not happening.
It's not? Really? The routes havn't been all that great this season either. As far as Paul he doesn't run with any vision either. He is fast but even on returns he runs into tackles, and has no balance he gets tapped in the foot or leg even a little and he is down every time. I think the real reason why his job should be in question is why wouldn't you at least try to pull him out and try someone else. What is wrong with Marlowe, can he not catch? or Enunwa or Stanley Jean Baptiste. I know they all don't know the offense, but really? you can't put them in and say run this route? This is Div. 1 football right? They are talented atheletes right? I would hope they could figure this out.
#32
Posted 17 October 2010 - 03:55 PM
jas11, on 17 October 2010 - 08:00 AM, said:
bshirt, on 16 October 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:
Alright...your receiver just dropped a pass that hit him squarely in the hands and there was no one within 10 yards of him. Go coach him up. What would you do?
The receivers were in the right place constantly throughout the game. The routes were run pretty well. Blocking from them has been pretty good. The receiver has to catch the ball...that's on him. There's only so much a coach can do in that situation.
I'd agree, it's on the coaches if the receivers are out there every week dropping numerous balls, but that's really not happening.
You do whatever it takes in practice for your receivers to catch the damn ball. I know there are coaches that have players catching freaking tennis balls to get them receiving better. Whatever it takes. Which Gilmore doesn't seem to have apparently.
#33
Posted 17 October 2010 - 09:29 PM
HuskerT, on 17 October 2010 - 12:20 AM, said:
-I agree with this post. I bet we come out playing with fire and passion come Okie St. We are very impressive on the road and Okie Lite doesn't have a very impressive D. We definitely have a good chance of going undefeated from here on out.
#34
Posted 17 October 2010 - 09:35 PM
Chaddyboxer, on 17 October 2010 - 09:29 PM, said:
HuskerT, on 17 October 2010 - 12:20 AM, said:
-I agree with this post. I bet we come out playing with fire and passion come Okie St. We are very impressive on the road and Okie Lite doesn't have a very impressive D. We definitely have a good chance of going undefeated from here on out.
And SDSU did? Everyone knows how to stop our offense now thanks to them. Will Muschamp even said they used the same defense SDSU did, two people spying on Martinez the whole game. Every team will do this now, guaranteed. We are going to have top try some diff. plays if we want to be successful.
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 09:36 PM

#36
Posted 17 October 2010 - 09:38 PM
Po Belini, on 17 October 2010 - 09:35 PM, said:
Chaddyboxer, on 17 October 2010 - 09:29 PM, said:
HuskerT, on 17 October 2010 - 12:20 AM, said:
-I agree with this post. I bet we come out playing with fire and passion come Okie St. We are very impressive on the road and Okie Lite doesn't have a very impressive D. We definitely have a good chance of going undefeated from here on out.
And SDSU did? Everyone knows how to stop our offense now thanks to them. Will Muschamp even said they used the same defense SDSU did, two people spying on Martinez the whole game. Every team will do this now, guaranteed. We are going to have top try some diff. plays if we want to be successful.
-True...it was evident that there were multiple defenders spying on Martinez....but I like our chances...Watson is going to HAVE TO come up with some different plays other than ones out of the zone read offensive scheme...if receivers start catching footballs...i like our chances.
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 09:41 PM
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 09:42 PM
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 10:10 PM

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#40
Posted 17 October 2010 - 10:12 PM
kansas husker, on 17 October 2010 - 10:10 PM, said:
yeah, this loss was bigger than any one coach. people need to place more blame on bo. i love him as our coach, but he can not allow these letdowns if he wants to compete for championships.
#41
Posted 17 October 2010 - 10:18 PM
Wide Receivers coaching. Do I even need to post anything here? Yeah we get, blocking is important. Why don't we switch Gilmore to Offensive Line coach? It's all he ever cares about. Who are the difference-making receivers in today's game? I see a future hall of famer in Randy Moss whining every time he gets touched, but who cares?! He catches the damn football. The primary thing receivers need to learn is running routes and catching balls. Blocking comes second in their books. Why did we keep him on this staff? Did Bo just not have any good WR coaches in mind for him to bring in? He's not even a good recruiter, and he's the freaking recruiting coordinator. Who did we retain from the Callahan era? Gilmore and Watson (my rant for this fool needing to leave is for another time and place). It's time to get rid of this infection from those dreadful years. Unfortunately, as fiery as Bo may be, I just don't ever see him having the balls to make these much-needed changes.
#42
Posted 17 October 2010 - 11:54 PM
blackshirts5115, on 17 October 2010 - 10:18 PM, said:
Wide Receivers coaching. Do I even need to post anything here? Yeah we get, blocking is important. Why don't we switch Gilmore to Offensive Line coach? It's all he ever cares about. Who are the difference-making receivers in today's game? I see a future hall of famer in Randy Moss whining every time he gets touched, but who cares?! He catches the damn football. The primary thing receivers need to learn is running routes and catching balls. Blocking comes second in their books. Why did we keep him on this staff? Did Bo just not have any good WR coaches in mind for him to bring in? He's not even a good recruiter, and he's the freaking recruiting coordinator. Who did we retain from the Callahan era? Gilmore and Watson (my rant for this fool needing to leave is for another time and place). It's time to get rid of this infection from those dreadful years. Unfortunately, as fiery as Bo may be, I just don't ever see him having the balls to make these much-needed changes.
Bo "must" make changes at the year end at latest. We've all been watching this crap for "years" and it's not going to get any better. Just the same old excuses.....used over & over & over. If we must, let's pay for SW's HC job somewhere.
The offense has been a huge disaster for YEARS now when facing any decent to good defense. Forget about the huge scores vs the creampuffs and the endless garbage pts/yds vs the good teams. That crap will never get us where we want. We need to bury the WCO six feet under and walk away.
We need to do something well. No more "jack of all trades & master of none" multiple junk. It could be the Pirate's TT offense, P. Johnson's triple option...."something" that we do well.
#43
Posted 18 October 2010 - 12:01 AM
#44
Posted 18 October 2010 - 01:27 AM
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You won't like this bshirt, but we will always be multiple, no matter what we do, whether it's the TT offense or the triple option. Multiple in that you have to be able to hit the defense in many different ways. Even out of the zone read, we are multiple. Any respectable system of offense is going to be multiple.
And yet the irony is, in the eyes of Husker fans who complain about the multiplicity, it will never be multiple enough. Because you hear things like "Why didn't we run the UCLA pistol plays, shovel passes, QB bootlegs. Where were all these different packages?"
The truth is fans want extreme multiplicity. The ability to pick any play out of any formation like you'd do in a Madden game. But in their heads, it is "being really good at one thing," running for example. If we are really good at running there's no reason to suppose we can run any type of running play and put up good stats. Now, since that means we'd be just mediocre at passing, naturally we should be able to run any kind of pass play with equal proficiency - we'd just put up lesser numbers than dedicated passing teams.
That really isn't how it works, though.

#45
Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:19 AM
zoogies, on 18 October 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:
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You won't like this bshirt, but we will always be multiple, no matter what we do, whether it's the TT offense or the triple option. Multiple in that you have to be able to hit the defense in many different ways. Even out of the zone read, we are multiple. Any respectable system of offense is going to be multiple.
And yet the irony is, in the eyes of Husker fans who complain about the multiplicity, it will never be multiple enough. Because you hear things like "Why didn't we run the UCLA pistol plays, shovel passes, QB bootlegs. Where were all these different packages?"
The truth is fans want extreme multiplicity. The ability to pick any play out of any formation like you'd do in a Madden game. But in their heads, it is "being really good at one thing," running for example. If we are really good at running there's no reason to suppose we can run any type of running play and put up good stats. Now, since that means we'd be just mediocre at passing, naturally we should be able to run any kind of pass play with equal proficiency - we'd just put up lesser numbers than dedicated passing teams.
That really isn't how it works, though.
Give me a break zoogies.....you know what I mean.
We've got to strongly "emphasize" something. Then recruit and develop for whatever that is. Then practice, practice and practice it some more. Not 10,000 different things (multiple). Sure, have PA with a "real" power run game or some run option with a heavy air attack but NOT try to do everything imaginable.
I like the direction the offense has been evolving but it's still way, way too half-assed. If we're really going back to a run offense then grab TO & Uncle Milt and lean on them HEAVY constantly for every inside tip they can give. Then apply it fully with no looking back.
Yeah, I know this is a pipe dream under SW but it's "my" dream and I like it.
#46
Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:00 AM
#47
Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:06 AM

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#48
Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:14 AM
brasky, on 18 October 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:
I have been meaning to post this for a while now. I cruised through this whole thread start to finish to see if anyone else had posted this. I'm glad I did so I didn't make a redundant post. As it is you get a +1 for being a super genius like Wile E. Coyote.
I've been thinking about this tennis ball thing for a while now, ever since Niles started his dropsies. It's such an easy drill to set up, I can't imagine why we aren't doing this.
#49
Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:23 AM
knapplc, on 18 October 2010 - 09:14 AM, said:
brasky, on 18 October 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:
I have been meaning to post this for a while now. I cruised through this whole thread start to finish to see if anyone else had posted this. I'm glad I did so I didn't make a redundant post. As it is you get a +1 for being a super genius like Wile E. Coyote.
I've been thinking about this tennis ball thing for a while now, ever since Niles started his dropsies. It's such an easy drill to set up, I can't imagine why we aren't doing this.
Yep, we even discussed this last year about this time.
http://www.huskerboa...__1#entry498207
#50
Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:26 AM
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