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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:29 PM

EDIT: I included the 13 games from the 2012 season. Obviously the bowl game hasn't been played yet.

Interpret away at will. Keep in mind that penalties and rules have been modified since the Devaney era. Also factor in the amount of games played in a season among other things.

The yearly numerical breakdown with total averages can be seen after the graphs below. While fumbles and interceptions are mostly par for the course from Devaney to Pelini, it's the penalty stat that sticks out the most with Pelini posting the highest numbers on average than his predecessors.

Disclaimer: I have no agenda here other than to put these numbers into historical perspective. Interestingly enough, the back-to-back national titles won by Devaney were also the years he posted the highest number of penalties in his 11-year tenure.

Again, interpret away at will. ;)


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The first set of numbers separated by "/" = Number of Penalties/Number of Penalty Yds.
The second set of numbers separated by "/" = Number of Fumbles/Number of Fumbles Lost
The third standalone number = Interceptions Thrown

Devaney
49/428 - 32/15 - 10
50/480 - 31/15 - 7
56/532 - 26/10 - 13
55/496 - 30/13 - 12
45/429 - 29/18 - 9
42/475 - 46/25 - 15
46/428 - 33/20 - 11
50/377 - 33/17 - 15
80/750 - 33/21 - 12
64/684 - 24/17 - 6
50/510 - 27/21 - 15

Osborne
55/548 - 34/17 - 19
41/376 - 37/19 - 15
64/658 - 31/17 - 6
57/584 - 36/28 - 13
59/568 - 33/22 - 9
63/650 - 34/20 - 10
69/723 - 34/22 - 9
59/603 - 44/21 - 6
58/567 - 43/24 - 11
64/539 - 34/18 - 4
63/561 - 44/15 - 6
55/503 - 43/24 - 9
55/431 - 42/20 - 11
76/657 - 33/17 - 10
73/616 - 32/19 - 11
82/702 - 25/12 - 9
71/634 - 32/14 - 3
49/458 - 29/13 - 12
53/455 - 16/9 - 8
74/612 - 20/5 - 7
58/494 - 17/10 - 6
76/670 - 27/13 - 7
47/434 - 28/9 - 6
71/623 - 37/19 - 3
57/498 - 36/17 - 4

Solich
61/536 - 27/13 - 5
63/566 - 49/25 - 5
71/622 - 26/9 - 8
69/674 - 24/14 - 11
85/784 - 30/12 - 12
89/710 - 30/14 - 10

Callahan
75/561 - 25/10 - 23
89/693 - 27/11 - 13
74/614 - 25/17 - 8
77/589 - 19/11 - 17

Pelini
94/800 - 31/17 - 11
100/894 - 21/11 - 12
109/993 - 45/16 - 8
86/688 - 32/11 - 8
80/778 - 34/21 - 11

Devaney Avg. = 53/508 - 31/17 - 11
Osborne Avg. = 62/567 - 33/17 - 9
Solich Avg. = 73/649 - 31/15 - 9
Callahan Avg. = 79/614 - 24/12 - 15
Pelini Avg. = 94/831 - 33/15 - 10
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:33 PM

So not only does Bo suck . . .so does everyone else? Fire them all!!!!
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:37 PM

I love posts like this. Thanks, Nexus! :thumbs
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:41 PM

i love football wonks and charts/graphs.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:46 PM

Comparing each year side by side is not accurate unless you also take into acocunt how many penalty yards on average refs were penalizing for each year...
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

Comparing each year side by side is not accurate unless you also take into acocunt how many penalty yards on average refs were penalizing for each year...

i see what you are saying, but i bet it has been pretty steady throughout the years. regardless, it is comparing a team's discipline given the circumstances and ref's discretion.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

evaney Avg. = 53/508 - 31/17 - 11
Osborne Avg. = 62/567 - 33/17 - 9
Solich Avg. = 73/649 - 31/15 - 9
Callahan Avg. = 79/614 - 24/12 - 15
Pelini Avg. = 94/831 - 33/15 - 10


This right here shows me that putting the ball on the ground has always been an issue for us. For those who sit here and call out Bo for fumbles, when they also admire TO, should realize that its a reoccurring thing, and since TO was a great coach, there are somethings you can not teach obviously. On average, Pelini's term, we turn the ball over less on fumbles :)

Devaney: 54.8%
Osborne: 51.5%
Solich: 48.3%
Callahan: 50%
Pelini: 45.4%

In all seriousness, its not a great statistic. Something we need to get a grasp on, but coaching is not to blame, as we DO play our best players.

Penalties are a case of an undisciplined team. Some are not called for, as we have seen this year, and quite questionable, but that only accounts for 1/10 of the total penalties.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:02 PM


evaney Avg. = 53/508 - 31/17 - 11
Osborne Avg. = 62/567 - 33/17 - 9
Solich Avg. = 73/649 - 31/15 - 9
Callahan Avg. = 79/614 - 24/12 - 15
Pelini Avg. = 94/831 - 33/15 - 10


This right here shows me that putting the ball on the ground has always been an issue for us. For those who sit here and call out Bo for fumbles, when they also admire TO, should realize that its a reoccurring thing, and since TO was a great coach, there are somethings you can not teach obviously. On average, Pelini's term, we turn the ball over less on fumbles :)

Devaney: 54.8%
Osborne: 51.5%
Solich: 48.3%
Callahan: 50%
Pelini: 45.4%

In all seriousness, its not a great statistic. Something we need to get a grasp on, but coaching is not to blame, as we DO play our best players.

Penalties are a case of an undisciplined team. Some are not called for, as we have seen this year, and quite questionable, but that only accounts for 1/10 of the total penalties.

the option lended itself to more fumbles IMO. when we are finishing almost dead least in fumbles every year then something is wrong. There are 100 teams that are better than us. However, we run the ball more than most of them, which obviously means we are going to fumble more.

I'd like to see fumbles per rush attempt. But that's likely a lot of work.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:03 PM

Comparing each year side by side is not accurate unless you also take into acocunt how many penalty yards on average refs were penalizing for each year...


This is true.

When you compare penalty averages, Devaney and Osborne are quite similar. Solich and Callahan are also similar, yet noticeably higher than Devaney/Osborne. Then there's a noticeable change from Solich/Callahan to Pelini. Maybe those gaps are a general indicator that penalties are called more frequently? Obviously I didn't include the average penalties being called across Div. I in a season. But that'd also give us better interpretation to the numbers presented here.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:06 PM


Comparing each year side by side is not accurate unless you also take into acocunt how many penalty yards on average refs were penalizing for each year...

i see what you are saying, but i bet it has been pretty steady throughout the years. regardless, it is comparing a team's discipline given the circumstances and ref's discretion.

The obvious dropoff in penalties since we hit the B1G can of course be attributed to the fact that B1G officials don't call holding... :)
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:33 PM



evaney Avg. = 53/508 - 31/17 - 11
Osborne Avg. = 62/567 - 33/17 - 9
Solich Avg. = 73/649 - 31/15 - 9
Callahan Avg. = 79/614 - 24/12 - 15
Pelini Avg. = 94/831 - 33/15 - 10


This right here shows me that putting the ball on the ground has always been an issue for us. For those who sit here and call out Bo for fumbles, when they also admire TO, should realize that its a reoccurring thing, and since TO was a great coach, there are somethings you can not teach obviously. On average, Pelini's term, we turn the ball over less on fumbles :)

Devaney: 54.8%
Osborne: 51.5%
Solich: 48.3%
Callahan: 50%
Pelini: 45.4%

In all seriousness, its not a great statistic. Something we need to get a grasp on, but coaching is not to blame, as we DO play our best players.

Penalties are a case of an undisciplined team. Some are not called for, as we have seen this year, and quite questionable, but that only accounts for 1/10 of the total penalties.

the option lended itself to more fumbles IMO. when we are finishing almost dead least in fumbles every year then something is wrong. There are 100 teams that are better than us. However, we run the ball more than most of them, which obviously means we are going to fumble more.

I'd like to see fumbles per rush attempt. But that's likely a lot of work.


A lot of our fumbles this year came from Special Teams, 5 or 6 I think it was. Two players come to mind when you say the word "fumble", Taylor Martinez and Niles Paul. Taylor has accounted for most of our fumbles in Bo's Tenure, and Paul had a lot as well. Taylor makes up for his mistakes though, especially this year.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:34 PM

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:59 PM

Good Stuff!!! Really things aren't alot different except for the penalties and penalty yards. Bo's teams are definitely leading in this. Even with the emphasis on safety and seeing more flags because of it now, his teams penalties and penalty yards are still WAY too high!
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

I can see a trend up, but the team does play 1-3 extra games since the BD-TO era.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:33 PM

I honestly can't extrapolate much from this, but thanks for the look.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:50 PM

I would be really curious to see the the offensive vs defensive penalties. Offensive penalties are always bad, always. Defensive ones are not always bad, teams with nasty aggressive defenses tend to have more penalties. And sometimes a DPI is a good play when it prevents a TD or a 50 yard gain.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:14 PM

+! for creativity and hard work.

One could make an argument that the frequency of penalties being called nowadays in both college and professional football has increased dramatically over the past 50 years. Due to pressure to make the game safer and implementation of more rules and changing rules, like late hits, high hits, intentional grounding, offensive and defensive pass interference, returner interference, chop blocking, clipping, low hit on an engaged player, facemask, horse collar, etc.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

We should throw out all the penalties we were given during our Big 12 sendoff season. Most of them were bogus especially against Eric Martin and all of those in the A & M game.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

Nice work nexus.

I think one stat that would be relevant to turnovers would be time of possession. ie. The more time the offense possesses the ball would likely increase the occurance of turnovers. Not making any claim one way or the other, just sayin. The two things that stick out to me are; 1 Pelini's teams are on par with our historical turnover rate and 2 it would appear that penalties are noticeably worse under Pelini. Of course his average is still heavily weighted by our final season in the Big 12 (where wewere mercilessly shafted often) and two seasons in the B1G where IMO the officiating has been subpar. And there is probably some validity to the assertion that Bo's sideline demeanor doesn't lend itself to getting any breaks.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:33 PM

Great work, Nexus! That is outstandingly well-done and very sweet lookin'.

Question, could INT % (per pass attempts) be easily obtained as well? With our somewhat strong fluctuation in passing attempts over the years and the relative infrequency of interceptions, I thought that would be interesting. I suppose a similar number for Fumble %.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:00 PM

Great work, Nexus! That is outstandingly well-done and very sweet lookin'.

Question, could INT % (per pass attempts) be easily obtained as well? With our somewhat strong fluctuation in passing attempts over the years and the relative infrequency of interceptions, I thought that would be interesting. I suppose a similar number for Fumble %.


I don't have access to fumble % because of its situational nature; ie. punt & kickoff fumbles, WR catching ball and then fumbling, QB and RB fumbles, etc.

However, I went ahead and looked up pass attempts to interceptions and here's how it breaks down:

Devaney
155/10 = 6.45%
124/7 = 5.64%
158/13 = 8.22%
187/12 = 6.41%
192/9 = 4.68%
245/15 = 6.12%
251/11 = 4.38%
325/15 = 4.61%
275/12 = 4.36%
300/6 = 2%
332/15 = 4.51%
TOTAL AVG. = 5.21%

Osborne
255/19 = 7.45%
223/15 = 6.72%
246/6 = 2.43%
306/13 = 4.24%
209/9 = 4.30%
229/10 = 4.36%
206/9 = 4.36%
174/6 = 3.44%
181/11 = 6.07%
214/4 = 1.86%
192/6 = 3.12%
160/9 = 5.62%
144/11 = 7.63%
168/10 = 5.95%
162/11 = 6.79%
163/9 = 5.52%
168/3 = 1.78%
157/12 = 7.64%
205/8 = 3.90%
199/7 = 3.51%
201/6 = 2.98%
210/7 = 3.33%
228/6 = 2.63%
222/3 = 1.35%
182/4 = 2.19%
TOTAL AVG. = 4.36%

Solich
208/5 = 2.40%
184/5 = 2.71%
172/8 = 4.65%
199/11 = 5.52%
235/12 = 5.10%
192/10 = 5.20%
TOTAL AVG. = 4.26%

Callahan
322/23 = 7.14%
444/13 = 2.92%
411/8 = 1.94%
481/17 = 3.53%
TOTAL AVG. = 3.88%

Pelini
433/11 = 2.54%
364/12 = 3.29%
282/8 = 2.83%
293/8 = 2.73%
351/11 = 3.13%
TOTAL AVG. = 2.90%
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:02 PM

Very nice!
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:28 PM

Oh well Bo still sucks :sarcasm
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:07 AM

Interceptions highest (by number) during Callahan era.... no surprise.

Penalties highest (by number and by yardage) during Pelini era.... also no surprise.

Wonder how many penalties are personal fouls. Would also agree that in the last 5-10 years more penalties in general are called all across college football... particularly pass interference and targeting / roughing calls, both of which we are prone to do.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:13 AM

I would think a better comparison would be penalty yards per play. I would guess that today's team runs far more plays than Bob's or Tom's.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:10 AM

What this shows me is how slight increases or decreases affect the team or at least perception of the team. You listen to some fans and it's like they believe Tom's teams never were penalized, never fumbled and never threw an interception. There is always room for improvement. But, this team (in these three categories) isn't the horrible train wreck that some fans claim they are.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:44 AM




evaney Avg. = 53/508 - 31/17 - 11
Osborne Avg. = 62/567 - 33/17 - 9
Solich Avg. = 73/649 - 31/15 - 9
Callahan Avg. = 79/614 - 24/12 - 15
Pelini Avg. = 94/831 - 33/15 - 10


This right here shows me that putting the ball on the ground has always been an issue for us. For those who sit here and call out Bo for fumbles, when they also admire TO, should realize that its a reoccurring thing, and since TO was a great coach, there are somethings you can not teach obviously. On average, Pelini's term, we turn the ball over less on fumbles :)

Devaney: 54.8%
Osborne: 51.5%
Solich: 48.3%
Callahan: 50%
Pelini: 45.4%

In all seriousness, its not a great statistic. Something we need to get a grasp on, but coaching is not to blame, as we DO play our best players.

Penalties are a case of an undisciplined team. Some are not called for, as we have seen this year, and quite questionable, but that only accounts for 1/10 of the total penalties.

the option lended itself to more fumbles IMO. when we are finishing almost dead least in fumbles every year then something is wrong. There are 100 teams that are better than us. However, we run the ball more than most of them, which obviously means we are going to fumble more.

I'd like to see fumbles per rush attempt. But that's likely a lot of work.


A lot of our fumbles this year came from Special Teams, 5 or 6 I think it was. Two players come to mind when you say the word "fumble", Taylor Martinez and Niles Paul. Taylor has accounted for most of our fumbles in Bo's Tenure, and Paul had a lot as well. Taylor makes up for his mistakes though, especially this year.

I thought one of the most telling stats shared during the CCG was when the announcers said that Martinez has been either tied for and had the most fumbles outright in each of his 3 years...not on the team, but IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL.

Just a guess here, but I highly doubt any Husker has ever put together a string like that before. Definitely not a record Martinez can be proud of, but certainly one that adds to the enigma that is Taylor Martinez.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:46 AM

The best thing to compare this to would be to do the exact same thing for our opponents. This would allow us to see where all the coaches compared to turnovers and penalties of their opponents. I can tell you from my own research that Bo on average incurs more penalties, yardage and turnovers than his opponents. That's the problem.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:55 AM

The best thing to compare this to would be to do the exact same thing for our opponents. This would allow us to see where all the coaches compared to turnovers and penalties of their opponents. I can tell you from my own research that Bo on average incurs more penalties, yardage and turnovers than his opponents. That's the problem.


Nebraska is ranked 33rd nationally for the number of penalties this year, with 156. We are then #26 for yards given up on penalties with 1,474. Averaging 9.4 yards/penalty.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:00 AM


The best thing to compare this to would be to do the exact same thing for our opponents. This would allow us to see where all the coaches compared to turnovers and penalties of their opponents. I can tell you from my own research that Bo on average incurs more penalties, yardage and turnovers than his opponents. That's the problem.


Nebraska is ranked 33rd nationally for the number of penalties this year, with 156. We are then #26 for yards given up on penalties with 1,474. Averaging 9.4 yards/penalty.

Ok. I am talking about comparing each game. Our performance vs. our opponent. That is the true indicator because both teams are faced with the same ref crew and weather variables and such.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:07 AM

I think that part of the reason that penalties have increased steadily is because of an increased amount of rules. 50 years ago, defenders could go flying through the air and clothesline somebody and it was legal. Not anymore.

The amount of penalties under Bo's tenure is still too many and needs to continue to be addressed. Same with fumbles.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:17 AM


The best thing to compare this to would be to do the exact same thing for our opponents. This would allow us to see where all the coaches compared to turnovers and penalties of their opponents. I can tell you from my own research that Bo on average incurs more penalties, yardage and turnovers than his opponents. That's the problem.


Nebraska is ranked 33rd nationally for the number of penalties this year, with 156. We are then #26 for yards given up on penalties with 1,474. Averaging 9.4 yards/penalty.

Ok. I am talking about comparing each game. Our performance vs. our opponent. That is the true indicator because both teams are faced with the same ref crew and weather variables and such.


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Penalties/Yards
USM 4-35 --------2-30
UCLA 11-126 -----7-60
ARST 6-39 --------4-34
IDST 5-40 -------9-104
WI 2-15 -------6-70
OSU 9-76-------9-75
NW 5-45-------8-62
UM 3-44-------8-104
MSU 9-100-----9-72
PSU 6-15------9-18
MN 4-37-------5-47
IU 1-5--------2-25
WI 4-51------4-40
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:20 AM

I think that part of the reason that penalties have increased steadily is because of an increased amount of rules. 50 years ago, defenders could go flying through the air and clothesline somebody and it was legal. Not anymore.

The amount of penalties under Bo's tenure is still too many and needs to continue to be addressed. Same with fumbles.


The only penalty that I don't think needs to be worked on, are the PI calls. I would rather a 15 yard penalty, and be a physical team, rather than give up 6 points and have teams not be scared to air the ball out. Our secondary is physical, and that is what makes us so good. The false starts, personal fouls and holding penalties are the ones that bother me the most.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:23 AM



The best thing to compare this to would be to do the exact same thing for our opponents. This would allow us to see where all the coaches compared to turnovers and penalties of their opponents. I can tell you from my own research that Bo on average incurs more penalties, yardage and turnovers than his opponents. That's the problem.


Nebraska is ranked 33rd nationally for the number of penalties this year, with 156. We are then #26 for yards given up on penalties with 1,474. Averaging 9.4 yards/penalty.

Ok. I am talking about comparing each game. Our performance vs. our opponent. That is the true indicator because both teams are faced with the same ref crew and weather variables and such.


Ahhh, This what your looking for? :) The red is obviously us lol


Penalties/Yards
USM 4-35 --------2-30
UCLA 11-126 -----7-60
ARST 6-39 --------4-34
IDST 5-40 -------9-104
WI 2-15 -------6-70
OSU 9-76-------9-75
NW 5-45-------8-62
UM 3-44-------8-104
MSU 9-100-----9-72
PSU 6-15------9-18
MN 4-37-------5-47
IU 1-5--------2-25
WI 4-51------4-40


Yep. Notice we only incurred less yardage than our opponents 6 times and two of those occurred against garbage competition. If you take a look at Bo's entire tenure you will see this is a continuing problem especially in big games.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:25 AM

Yep. Notice we only incurred less yardage than our opponents 6 times and two of those occurred against garbage competition. If you take a look at Bo's entire tenure you will see this is a continuing problem especially in big games.


A lot of it during his career here, is due to an undisciplined line. False starts are notorious here and have been very costly to us, especially when there is a holding call before or after, which always seems to be the case. This falls on his shoulders just as much as it does on his assistants.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:29 AM


Yep. Notice we only incurred less yardage than our opponents 6 times and two of those occurred against garbage competition. If you take a look at Bo's entire tenure you will see this is a continuing problem especially in big games.


A lot of it during his career here, is due to an undisciplined line. False starts are notorious here and have been very costly to us, especially when there is a holding call before or after, which always seems to be the case. This falls on his shoulders just as much as it does on his assistants.

Agreed. It is a serious issue. NU will never return to the elite while incurring more penalties, yardage and turnovers than its opponents.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:53 AM



The best thing to compare this to would be to do the exact same thing for our opponents. This would allow us to see where all the coaches compared to turnovers and penalties of their opponents. I can tell you from my own research that Bo on average incurs more penalties, yardage and turnovers than his opponents. That's the problem.


Nebraska is ranked 33rd nationally for the number of penalties this year, with 156. We are then #26 for yards given up on penalties with 1,474. Averaging 9.4 yards/penalty.

Ok. I am talking about comparing each game. Our performance vs. our opponent. That is the true indicator because both teams are faced with the same ref crew and weather variables and such.


Ahhh, This what your looking for? :) The red is obviously us lol


Penalties/Yards
USM 4-35 --------2-30
UCLA 11-126 -----7-60
ARST 6-39 --------4-34
IDST 5-40 -------9-104
WI 2-15 -------6-70
OSU 9-76-------9-75
NW 5-45-------8-62
UM 3-44-------8-104
MSU 9-100-----9-72
PSU 6-15------9-18
MN 4-37-------5-47
IU 1-5--------2-25
WI 4-51------4-40

In all 3 losses, we had fewer penalties and/or yards. :LOLtartar Next argument please.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

In all 3 losses, we had fewer penalties and/or yards. :LOLtartar Next argument please.

clearly bo's teams are not getting enough penalties and/or yards to get the job done.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:10 AM

Penalties are an issue. There are frequently too many, for too many yards. But looking through that list it was comical to me. Granted, 2 of those losses it was the same number penalties and only 1 yard difference. But clearly, you cant blame the UCLA game on penalties.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:21 AM

Penalties are an issue. There are frequently too many, for too many yards. But looking through that list it was comical to me. Granted, 2 of those losses it was the same number penalties and only 1 yard difference. But clearly, you cant blame the UCLA game on penalties.

i just do not get false start penalties. those are the easiest to avoid and they seem to be the biggest culprit. they are also drive killers. that is a big problem with our offense, although it was much better this year than last. false starts, fumbles (when recovered), and t-mart getting sacked all caused 2nd and longs or 3rd and impossibles. that is how penalties and fumbles hurt us the most.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:44 AM

Turnovers are a much bigger issue in my book than penalties. And, to be more precise, the LACK of turnovers produced by our defense. Yes, we need to fix our fumbling problem. BUT, our defense needs to be producing more turnovers than they have been. Late in the season interceptions were improved. But, it needs to improve for all season.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:47 AM


Penalties are an issue. There are frequently too many, for too many yards. But looking through that list it was comical to me. Granted, 2 of those losses it was the same number penalties and only 1 yard difference. But clearly, you cant blame the UCLA game on penalties.

i just do not get false start penalties. those are the easiest to avoid and they seem to be the biggest culprit. they are also drive killers. that is a big problem with our offense, although it was much better this year than last. false starts, fumbles (when recovered), and t-mart getting sacked all caused 2nd and longs or 3rd and impossibles. that is how penalties and fumbles hurt us the most.



False start penalties I believe comes mostly from lack of reps/preparation/experience. If an O line is not used to playing as a group and know each other extremely well OR a lineman is having to think too much about his assignment, they lose track in their minds of the count. On the flip side, if an O line is a well oiled machine and blocking assignments are almost automatic, the lineman can concentrate more on the snap count and taking out the guy on the other side of the ball.

Now....what I honestly don't get, is that we had a rash of false start penalties from WRs. That makes no sense to me.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:35 PM


Penalties are an issue. There are frequently too many, for too many yards. But looking through that list it was comical to me. Granted, 2 of those losses it was the same number penalties and only 1 yard difference. But clearly, you cant blame the UCLA game on penalties.

i just do not get false start penalties. those are the easiest to avoid and they seem to be the biggest culprit. they are also drive killers. that is a big problem with our offense, although it was much better this year than last. false starts, fumbles (when recovered), and t-mart getting sacked all caused 2nd and longs or 3rd and impossibles. that is how penalties and fumbles hurt us the most.

I was a lineman in high school, both offense and defense. I like to think I have an aggresive mentalily and I was always good a for a false start or offsides, if not both, a game. It's hard to explain. You would think it is easy to avoid. Know the count, watch the ball. But for some reason in a game situation, when the bloods flowin, it just isnt.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:41 PM

Earlier I commented that I thought time of possession might influence things like; more TOP would likely increase turnovers. I need to modify that to the number of plays ran by the offense. Since we are now an up tempo offense, it seems that we are likely running more plays and therefore more snaps would result in a higher number of turnovers and offensive penalties. I would think the real indicator, and basis to compare to prior coaching, would be the number of turnovers or penalties as a percentage of the plays began. Figuring that out would probably be a real headache but it would give you a more clear picture if we are now more or less turnover/penalty prone than in the past.
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Penalties are an issue. There are frequently too many, for too many yards. But looking through that list it was comical to me. Granted, 2 of those losses it was the same number penalties and only 1 yard difference. But clearly, you cant blame the UCLA game on penalties.

i just do not get false start penalties. those are the easiest to avoid and they seem to be the biggest culprit. they are also drive killers. that is a big problem with our offense, although it was much better this year than last. false starts, fumbles (when recovered), and t-mart getting sacked all caused 2nd and longs or 3rd and impossibles. that is how penalties and fumbles hurt us the most.

I was a lineman in high school, both offense and defense. I like to think I have an aggresive mentalily and I was always good a for a false start or offsides, if not both, a game. It's hard to explain. You would think it is easy to avoid. Know the count, watch the ball. But for some reason in a game situation, when the bloods flowin, it just isnt.

We literally don't have a count on offense. Beck has stated is is a silent snap(offensive linemen are also watching for the ball to snap to get going)

Also, OP, can you do a segment on # of tackles accounted for by defensive linemen? I guess only solo? IDK you do it. Would be interesting to see IMO, at the very least, since pelini has been HC.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:47 PM




Penalties are an issue. There are frequently too many, for too many yards. But looking through that list it was comical to me. Granted, 2 of those losses it was the same number penalties and only 1 yard difference. But clearly, you cant blame the UCLA game on penalties.

i just do not get false start penalties. those are the easiest to avoid and they seem to be the biggest culprit. they are also drive killers. that is a big problem with our offense, although it was much better this year than last. false starts, fumbles (when recovered), and t-mart getting sacked all caused 2nd and longs or 3rd and impossibles. that is how penalties and fumbles hurt us the most.

I was a lineman in high school, both offense and defense. I like to think I have an aggresive mentalily and I was always good a for a false start or offsides, if not both, a game. It's hard to explain. You would think it is easy to avoid. Know the count, watch the ball. But for some reason in a game situation, when the bloods flowin, it just isnt.

We literally don't have a count on offense. Beck has stated is is a silent snap(offensive linemen are also watching for the ball to snap to get going)

Also, OP, can you do a segment on # of tackles accounted for by defensive linemen? I guess only solo? IDK you do it. Would be interesting to see IMO, at the very least, since pelini has been HC.

My guess would be the tackle numbers to be quite low, outside of Suh, especially if compared to other schools. One, we played pass heavy offenses for 3 years and 2, our 2 gap play is set on Dline gobbling up blockers to let the LB's roam free to make plays.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:52 PM


We literally don't have a count on offense. Beck has stated is is a silent snap(offensive linemen are also watching for the ball to snap to get going)

Also, OP, can you do a segment on # of tackles accounted for by defensive linemen? I guess only solo? IDK you do it. Would be interesting to see IMO, at the very least, since pelini has been HC.


Did you just decide to tell the OP to round up some stats for you? Wow! Who died and left you in charge? :wtf
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:32 PM

Man I love all of these stats, also regarding perception I think in the last 10 years or so we fans have been able to get easy access to this info so we can cut it up a dissect it. I view this stat as something that may help us win more games as it is an area that we can improve in today. Thanx to all who crunch these numbers.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:45 AM


Penalties are an issue. There are frequently too many, for too many yards. But looking through that list it was comical to me. Granted, 2 of those losses it was the same number penalties and only 1 yard difference. But clearly, you cant blame the UCLA game on penalties.

i just do not get false start penalties. those are the easiest to avoid and they seem to be the biggest culprit. they are also drive killers. that is a big problem with our offense, although it was much better this year than last. false starts, fumbles (when recovered), and t-mart getting sacked all caused 2nd and longs or 3rd and impossibles. that is how penalties and fumbles hurt us the most.

How many false start penalties did we have this year? I don't seem to remember very many. ARod (I think) had a few early on but it seemed to be down quite a ways - unless I've just blocked them out.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:46 AM

So only one year in Bo's tenure did we have more fumbles than those crappy teams we had in 96-97? Glad we got rid of the coach we had back then.
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