Mavric Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Just out of curiosity, I went back and looked at the JUCOs we've signed since 2009 (Pelini's first full class). 2009: Dejon Gomes - Second on the team in tackles; 4th round NFL draft pick Brandon Kinnie - Graduated #11 in career receptions; NFL free agent signing 2010: Lavonte David - B1G LB of the year; 2nd round NFL draft pick Jermarcus Hardrick - NFL free agent signing Chase Harper - Ummmmm....... Stanley Jean-Baptiste - Second team All-BIG; likely shot in the NFL 2011: Joseph Carter - Contributor but nothing special Daimion Stafford - Two year starter; 7th round NFL draft pick 2012: Zaire Anderson - 5th leading tackler this year Mohammed Seisay - Played sparingly 2013: Matt Finnin - Expected to challenge for playing time next year Randy Gregory - 1st team All-B1G Chongo Kondolo - Expected to challenge for playing time next year So, by my count that's three home runs (Gomes, David & Gregory), three others who signed in the NFL (Kinnie, Hardrick & Stafford), two impact players on this year's team (SJB & Anderson), three busts (Harper, Carter & Seisay) and two TBD (Finnin & Kondolo). Excluding Finnin & Kondolo (because we don't really know about them yet), that's 7 out of 11 who will probably make NFL rosters (I'm counting SJB and Gregory) and three busts with Anderson in the middle somewhere. A little bit feast-or-famine but if you can get over 60% who are NFL-type players, that's some pretty good pick-ups out of the JUCO ranks. 3 Quote Link to comment
MLB 51 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Bo seems to have good luck coaching players with college level experience. Quote Link to comment
Husker_x Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 It seems a lot of people are not big on JUCO recruiting, and while you can't make your money long-term with that philosophy (I don't think), it's impossible to say Nebraska hasn't gained an edge in that area. Plus we've gotten a few deals with 3 for 3 guys and whatnot. I hope we continue to find gems this way as long as we don't make the overall roster suffer from too many short-termers. Quote Link to comment
RedDenver Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 It seems a lot of people are not big on JUCO recruiting, and while you can't make your money long-term with that philosophy (I don't think), it's impossible to say Nebraska hasn't gained an edge in that area. Plus we've gotten a few deals with 3 for 3 guys and whatnot. I hope we continue to find gems this way as long as we don't make the overall roster suffer from too many short-termers. Along with the longer term JUCOS (3 for 3), we've been getting a lot of early enrollees. Huge advantage having those JUCO kids here for a little longer. Quote Link to comment
dylan Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 It's clear the staff has used juco recruiting well. FWIW, I have a hard time calling carter and seisay busts. Neither lived up to recruiting expectations, but both were contributors that earned playing time. Busts are guys that don't make it or just aren't good enough to see the field, such as many of the Callahan era jucos. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share Posted December 11, 2013 It's clear the staff has used juco recruiting well. FWIW, I have a hard time calling carter and seisay busts. Neither lived up to recruiting expectations, but both were contributors that earned playing time. Busts are guys that don't make it or just aren't good enough to see the field, such as many of the Callahan era jucos. Yeah, busts might be a little harsh but both only played sparingly on not-so-great defenses. Quote Link to comment
I am I Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 One thing a lot of people don't talk about when/why Osborne retired, texass and the rest of the chickenshits voted to do away w prop 48s; which TO made a living with. Maybe Bo is showing a kind of "back door" to that problem by investing enough into 3-3 guys and some seemingly sure fire juco guys. I don't ever see us getting to the Snyder family juco level, but so far so good. Quote Link to comment
dylan Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I highly doubt that had anything to do with TO retiring. Do you really think he comes across as a guy that would quit because his job got slightly harder? His reitirement was precipated by graham spanier hiring bill byrne as AD, instead of one of the internal candidates that TO preferred. It's my understanding that TO wanted to keep his promise to solich that he was next in line and wanted to make the transition while he still had the pull within the athletic department to select his successor. If spanier had hired papik or another internal candidate, TO would have likely stayed a while longer. I will say that it was stupid to get rid of prop 48's though. All it did was force borderline kids to attend jucos or lesser institutions instead of allowing them to get on track academically within the support system of a major institution. So it was worse for the kids, but hey, it made it easier for the talent rich southern schools to knock NU down a notch. And I wouldn't say NU "made a living" with them, it was maybe one kid per year, but it did make a difference. Quote Link to comment
TonyStalloni Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 It appears to me that Bo is using jucos to fill holes in recruiting and doing it quite well. It also can help balance out numbers in recruiting classes. I think Bo was feeling some heat and doesn't feel he can wait for results from high school players. He wants to bulk up our depth and make a splash next season. The coaches are doing a great job and bringing in lots of talent. Quote Link to comment
Fuzzy Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Did Chase Harper even make it to campus? I do think its a bit rough to call Seisay a bust seeing his career was riddled with injury. Quote Link to comment
HuskerShark Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Did Chase Harper even make it to campus? I do think its a bit rough to call Seisay a bust seeing his career was riddled with injury. I think of him as a bust I guess. He just never showed me much at all. Most of the time, he is chasing after the receiver instead of covering him. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Just out of curiosity, I went back and looked at the JUCOs we've signed since 2009 (Pelini's first full class). 2009: Dejon Gomes - Second on the team in tackles; 4th round NFL draft pick Brandon Kinnie - Graduated #11 in career receptions; NFL free agent signing 2010: Lavonte David - B1G LB of the year; 2nd round NFL draft pick Jermarcus Hardrick - NFL free agent signing Chase Harper - Ummmmm....... Stanley Jean-Baptiste - Second team All-BIG; likely shot in the NFL 2011: Joseph Carter - Contributor but nothing special Daimion Stafford - Two year starter; 7th round NFL draft pick 2012: Zaire Anderson - 5th leading tackler this year Mohammed Seisay - Played sparingly 2013: Matt Finnin - Expected to challenge for playing time next year Randy Gregory - 1st team All-B1G Chongo Kondolo - Expected to challenge for playing time next year So, by my count that's three home runs (Gomes, David & Gregory), three others who signed in the NFL (Kinnie, Hardrick & Stafford), two impact players on this year's team (SJB & Anderson), three busts (Harper, Carter & Seisay) and two TBD (Finnin & Kondolo). Excluding Finnin & Kondolo (because we don't really know about them yet), that's 7 out of 11 who will probably make NFL rosters (I'm counting SJB and Gregory) and three busts with Anderson in the middle somewhere. A little bit feast-or-famine but if you can get over 60% who are NFL-type players, that's some pretty good pick-ups out of the JUCO ranks. Is there any way of knowing what these guys and the new recruits were rated coming out of HS and who had offered them? Quote Link to comment
Thanks_Tom RR Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Just out of curiosity, I went back and looked at the JUCOs we've signed since 2009 (Pelini's first full class). 2009: Dejon Gomes - Second on the team in tackles; 4th round NFL draft pick Brandon Kinnie - Graduated #11 in career receptions; NFL free agent signing 2010: Lavonte David - B1G LB of the year; 2nd round NFL draft pick Jermarcus Hardrick - NFL free agent signing Chase Harper - Ummmmm....... Stanley Jean-Baptiste - Second team All-BIG; likely shot in the NFL 2011: Joseph Carter - Contributor but nothing special Daimion Stafford - Two year starter; 7th round NFL draft pick 2012: Zaire Anderson - 5th leading tackler this year Mohammed Seisay - Played sparingly 2013: Matt Finnin - Expected to challenge for playing time next year Randy Gregory - 1st team All-B1G Chongo Kondolo - Expected to challenge for playing time next year So, by my count that's three home runs (Gomes, David & Gregory), three others who signed in the NFL (Kinnie, Hardrick & Stafford), two impact players on this year's team (SJB & Anderson), three busts (Harper, Carter & Seisay) and two TBD (Finnin & Kondolo). Excluding Finnin & Kondolo (because we don't really know about them yet), that's 7 out of 11 who will probably make NFL rosters (I'm counting SJB and Gregory) and three busts with Anderson in the middle somewhere. A little bit feast-or-famine but if you can get over 60% who are NFL-type players, that's some pretty good pick-ups out of the JUCO ranks. Is there any way of knowing what these guys and the new recruits were rated coming out of HS and who had offered them? All of the recruiting services have this information on their websites. For example, here is the link to the 2013 class per 247 http://nebraska.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits Also, on each of the recruits HB profile, this information is provided (though, not always completely up-to-date). Quote Link to comment
Amac3309 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Doesnt this amount of JUCO recruiting really mean the staff is admitting what some have been saying for a while The 09 and 10 classes were not very strong Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Doesnt this amount of JUCO recruiting really mean the staff is admitting what some have been saying for a while The 09 and 10 classes were not very strong To some extent, yes. I don't think many would argue Bo got off to a slow start. But all the 09 guys are gone now so that's not really a factor. And the '10 class was pretty hit-and-miss but there are actually more contributors out of that class that you'd think. I've said those two classes were pretty sub-par for some time now but the '10 class might turn out decent. Quote Link to comment
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