Popular Post Landlord Posted November 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2014 5 (BTN Stats Guys say 6 but I can't find the sixth person) FBS Power-Five head coaches have had 9+ wins in their first seven years of coaching. They are as follows: George Woodruff (Penn State - 1892-1898) Tom Osborne (Nebraska - 1973-1979) Barry Switzer (Oklahoma - 1973-1979) Chris Petersen (Boise State - 2006-2012) Bo Pelini (Nebraska - 2008-2014) To disarm the stupid argument of all of your facebook friends, here are the comparisons of each of these head coaches in those 7 years that go deeper than wins. George Woodruff coached in the 1890's before bowls and polls and conferences and etc., but he is credited with 3 national championships. Tom Osborne 79% Winning Percentage 16-11 Against Ranked Teams 0 Top-5 Finishes 7 Top-10 Finishes 2 Conference Championships 5 Major Bowls (defined as Cotton, Fiesta, Sugar, Rose, Orange) 2 Major Bowl Wins 0 Undefeated Season 18 Losses Barry Switzer 90% Winning Percentag 27-5 Against Ranked Teams 6 Top-5 Finishes 7 Top-10 Finishes 2 National Championships 7 Conference Championships 5 Major Bowls (for some reason they didn't play in bowl games his first two seasons, but these would have been major bowls as well) 4 Major Bowl Wins 2 Undefeated Seasons 7 Losses Chris Petersen 91% Winning Percentage 7-5 Against Ranked Teams 2 Top-5 Finishes 4 Top-10 Finishes 5 Conference Championships 2 Major Bowls 2 Major Bowl Wins 2 Undefeated Seasons 8 Losses Bo Pelini 71% Winning Percentage 9-17 Against Ranked Teams 0 Top-5 Finishes 0 Top-10 Finishes 0 Conference Championships 0 Major Bowls 0 Major Bowl Wins 0 Undefeated Seasons 27 Losses Some more research: I took the top 15 most winningest FBS programs, plus Florida, and Florida State, and looked at their coaches since 1960. I used 70% as the qualifying winning percentage since that is right around where Bo is, and that is what 9-4 represents percentage-wise. This way, you get the effect of who is good enough to win roughly 9 games a season (since that is the stat that people keep defending Pelini with), but you remove the restrictive barriers of the statistic. I didn't include their head coaching jobs before or after their time at that school, unless their other stops are other schools in the top 20 of all-time wins, and I used 4 seasons as the minimum to be included in the pool, as 4 years is often considered the benchmark for how much time a coach needs to make it "his" team. Basically, the goal is to get a rough idea of how many coaches at schools with comparable history/success/money as Nebraska have been able to achieve the same standard of play. This isn't scientific, but I think it will be useful. Michigan - 4 coaches - 3 qualify Notre Dame - 7 coaches - 4 qualify Texas - 5 coaches - 3 qualify Nebraska - 5 coaches - 4 qualify Ohio State - 4 coaches - 4 qualify Oklahoma - 4 coaches - 3 qualify Alabama - 6 coaches - 5 qualify Tennessee - 4 coaches - 3 qualify USC - 6 coaches - 3 qualify Georgia - 4 coaches - 3 qualify LSU - 6 coaches - 3 qualify Penn State - 1 coach - 1 qualify Auburn - 6 coaches - 3 qualify West Virginia - 8 coaches - 1 qualifies (this seems to be a significant outlier) Florida - 6 coaches - 4 qualify Florida State - 3 coaches - 2 qualify By my count, there have been 79 coaches at big-time power five schools since 1960 that have coached at least 4 years at their school. Of those 79, 49 have been able to win 70% or more of their games, or 62% of them. If you remove West Virginia as a seemingly outlier, it is 48 out of 71 coaches, or 68%. So roughly 65% of coaches at major programs in modern history that have coached at their schools for at least 4 years have been able to win just as well as Bo, if not better. Out of the 49 coaches that have won over 70% of their games at top 15 schools, guess how many of them never won at least one conference championship or gone to a major bowl (Rose/Orange/Fiesta/Sugar/Cotton)? Bill Battle at Tennessee, went 59-22 in 7 seasons, was fired. Jim Donnan at Georgia, was fired after 5 seasons. Bo Pelini. 3 out of 49. 16 Quote Link to comment
presidentjlh Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 This says it all. Quote Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 5 (BTN Stats Guys say 6 but I can't find the sixth person) FBS Power-Five head coaches have had 9+ wins in their first seven years of coaching. They are as follows: George Woodruff (Penn State - 1892-1898) Tom Osborne (Nebraska - 1973-1979) Barry Switzer (Oklahoma - 1973-1979) Chris Petersen (Boise State - 2006-2012) Bo Pelini (Nebraska - 2008-2014) To disarm the stupid argument of all of your facebook friends, here are the comparisons of each of these head coaches in those 7 years that go deeper than wins. George Woodruff coached in the 1890's before bowls and polls and conferences and etc., but he is credited with 3 national championships. Tom Osborne 16-11 Against Ranked Teams 0 Top-5 Finishes 7 Top-10 Finishes 2 Conference Championships 5 Major Bowls (defined as Cotton, Fiesta, Sugar, Rose, Orange) 2 Major Bowl Wins 0 Undefeated Season 16 Losses Barry Switzer 27-5 Against Ranked Teams 6 Top-5 Finishes 7 Top-10 Finishes 2 National Championships 7 Conference Championships 5 Major Bowls (for some reason they didn't play in bowl games his first two seasons, but these would have been major bowls as well) 4 Major Bowl Wins 2 Undefeated Seasons 7 Losses Chris Petersen 7-5 Against Ranked Teams 2 Top-5 Finishes 4 Top-10 Finishes 5 Conference Championships 2 Major Bowls 2 Major Bowl Wins 2 Undefeated Seasons 8 Losses Bo Pelini 9-17 Against Ranked Teams 0 Top-5 Finishes 0 Top-10 Finishes 0 Conference Championships 0 Major Bowls 0 Major Bowl Wins 0 Undefeated Seasons 27 Losses Getting a migraine but feeling affirmed after looking at Bo's column. Nice work Landlord. Quote Link to comment
CheeseHusker Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 OU was, I think on probation in '73 for some recruiting violations. That's why we went to the Orange Bowl the year before even though they beat us. They had to forfeit some games. Quote Link to comment
NUance Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 5 (BTN Stats Guys say 6 but I can't find the sixth person) FBS Power-Five head coaches have had 9+ wins in their first seven years of coaching. They are as follows: George Woodruff (Penn State - 1892-1898) Tom Osborne (Nebraska - 1973-1979) Barry Switzer (Oklahoma - 1973-1979) Chris Petersen (Boise State - 2006-2012) Bo Pelini (Nebraska - 2008-2014) To disarm the stupid argument of all of your facebook friends, here are the comparisons of each of these head coaches in those 7 years that go deeper than wins. George Woodruff coached in the 1890's before bowls and polls and conferences and etc., but he is credited with 3 national championships. Tom Osborne 16-11 Against Ranked Teams 0 Top-5 Finishes 7 Top-10 Finishes 2 Conference Championships 5 Major Bowls (defined as Cotton, Fiesta, Sugar, Rose, Orange) 2 Major Bowl Wins 0 Undefeated Season 16 Losses Barry Switzer 27-5 Against Ranked Teams 6 Top-5 Finishes 7 Top-10 Finishes 2 National Championships 7 Conference Championships 5 Major Bowls (for some reason they didn't play in bowl games his first two seasons, but these would have been major bowls as well) 4 Major Bowl Wins 2 Undefeated Seasons 7 Losses Chris Petersen 7-5 Against Ranked Teams 2 Top-5 Finishes 4 Top-10 Finishes 5 Conference Championships 2 Major Bowls 2 Major Bowl Wins 2 Undefeated Seasons 8 Losses Bo Pelini 9-17 Against Ranked Teams 0 Top-5 Finishes 0 Top-10 Finishes 0 Conference Championships 0 Major Bowls 0 Major Bowl Wins 0 Undefeated Seasons 27 Losses Getting a migraine but feeling affirmed after looking at Bo's column. Nice work Landlord. Yeah, nice work Ladlord. That definitely puts Pelini in fifth place in the 9-wins per season category. That is, fifth among the 2,000+ head coaches of Div. 1 and FBS football over the past 100 years. lulz Quote Link to comment
Elf Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Wiki says 18 losses and 2 ties in Osborne's first 7 years. 1973 9-2-1 1974 9-3 1975 10-2 1976 9-3-1 1977 9-3 1978 9-3 1979 10-2 Unless there has been a typo made on Wiki, this should be accurate. Quote Link to comment
walksalone Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 5 (BTN Stats Guys say 6 but I can't find the sixth person) FBS Power-Five head coaches have had 9+ wins in their first seven years of coaching. They are as follows: George Woodruff (Penn State - 1892-1898) Tom Osborne (Nebraska - 1973-1979) Barry Switzer (Oklahoma - 1973-1979) Chris Petersen (Boise State - 2006-2012) Bo Pelini (Nebraska - 2008-2014) To disarm the stupid argument of all of your facebook friends, here are the comparisons of each of these head coaches in those 7 years that go deeper than wins. George Woodruff coached in the 1890's before bowls and polls and conferences and etc., but he is credited with 3 national championships. Tom Osborne 16-11 Against Ranked Teams 0 Top-5 Finishes 7 Top-10 Finishes 2 Conference Championships 5 Major Bowls (defined as Cotton, Fiesta, Sugar, Rose, Orange) 2 Major Bowl Wins 0 Undefeated Season 16 Losses Barry Switzer 27-5 Against Ranked Teams 6 Top-5 Finishes 7 Top-10 Finishes 2 National Championships 7 Conference Championships 5 Major Bowls (for some reason they didn't play in bowl games his first two seasons, but these would have been major bowls as well) 4 Major Bowl Wins 2 Undefeated Seasons 7 Losses Chris Petersen 7-5 Against Ranked Teams 2 Top-5 Finishes 4 Top-10 Finishes 5 Conference Championships 2 Major Bowls 2 Major Bowl Wins 2 Undefeated Seasons 8 Losses Bo Pelini 9-17 Against Ranked Teams 0 Top-5 Finishes 0 Top-10 Finishes 0 Conference Championships 0 Major Bowls 0 Major Bowl Wins 0 Undefeated Seasons 27 Losses Kinda surprised it took ya that long to get this posted... I was figuring the second the game ended this would've gone up... Quote Link to comment
Elf Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 OU was, I think on probation in '73 for some recruiting violations. That's why we went to the Orange Bowl the year before even though they beat us. They had to forfeit some games. They were on probation. I know a guy who was their starting nickle back during those years. They were not allowed any TV appearances as part of their probation. Steve called the '74 Sooners the "Best team no one saw". Quote Link to comment
Count 'Bility Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Pretty simple also. Just watch the games. Even today, on a win, was mostly garbage. Straight up incompetent garbage football. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 Wiki says 18 losses and 2 ties in Osborne's first 7 years. 1973 9-2-1 1974 9-3 1975 10-2 1976 9-3-1 1977 9-3 1978 9-3 1979 10-2 Unless there has been a typo made on Wiki, this should be accurate. Yep. My mistake. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 added winning percentages Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Excellent thread Landlord. I've considered myself a Bo supporter for years and never wanted to see him go; but, after the Wisconsin game, the evidence is in the overall success of the seasons. The big goose eggs in the major categories outweighs a lot of the other factors. And instead of being on the cusp, we seem to be treading water in roughly the same area we have four years. It's been the same song and dance for years - start the season with promise, lose a big game in ridiculous and/or embarrassing fashion and then finish the rest of the season struggling against average opponents. 2 Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 No, you cannot swear at people on this board. And stop quoting that kind of stuff, HuskerBoard. I move a post, come back to the thread and I gotta move three more. Then another one when I'm done with that. This happens every time. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 If it was that easy I guess hundreds of coaches have done it. Oh wait, my deficient brain is telling me that only five have. Sure, I'd rather see us win 12 or 13 games. Who wouldn't? But why tackle this 9-win argument in the first place? If only five coaches in the history of Div. 1 and FBS have done it, then why even go there? Riddle me that Mr. Big Brain. You frame it as a matter of easy or hard. It's not. Not for Pelini, at least, when almost every single one of the nine wins per season is gift wrapped. That's why I go there, because winning that many games doesn't equate to an accomplishment it only equates to an anomaly. A kid making a ridiculous trick shot playing H.O.R.S.E. doesn't make him great at basketball it makes him lucky. So if the kid then asks, "Oh yeah well if it's so easy why haven't Kobe Bryant or Lebron James done it?" the appropriate response is that A) That is a stupid question and B) A certain set of circumstances haven't occurred to make that a reality and it has no bearing on their ability, or his. 2 Quote Link to comment
billdozer15 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Nobody is mistaking Bo for any of those coaches and that's obvious to anyone, except those with their heads in the sand. Quote Link to comment
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