GOAT Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 It's just rare for a guy's first HC gig to be at a major program. Stoops at OU Weis at Notre Dame Malzahn at Auburn Helfricht at Oregon Kelly at Oregon Osborne at Nebraska Solich at Nebraska Petersen at Boise Switzer at OU Coker at Miami Muschamp at Florida Pelini at Nebraska Shaw at Stanford Richt at Georgia O'Brien at Penn State Bielema at Wisconsin Swinney at Clemson Fisher at Florida State These are just the ones off the top of my head Also, I've been saying for three years now, the risk of missing out on Scott because we didn't think he was ready yet, is greater than the risk of hiring him with a lack of head coaching experience and having it be bad. Wow -- I never realized that. Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hey! A new SF thread! Quote Link to comment
WhatDoIKnow Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hey! A new SF thread! Haha. I didn't start this one to be just like the others. I put it here because I was curious about other "rumors" concerning Frost. I do like the conversation in here though. The timing issue is interesting. May not ever really work out. An additional question, does Frost want to come back to NU? I think people would have patience initially, but also fairly high expectations after a couple of years. Sometimes you have less pressure being away from "home". In before someone says throw a bunch of money at him. Quote Link to comment
Amac3309 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 It's just rare for a guy's first HC gig to be at a major program. Stoops at OU Weis at Notre Dame Malzahn at Auburn Helfricht at Oregon Kelly at Oregon Osborne at Nebraska Solich at Nebraska Petersen at Boise Switzer at OU Coker at Miami Muschamp at Florida Pelini at Nebraska Shaw at Stanford Richt at Georgia O'Brien at Penn State Bielema at Wisconsin Swinney at Clemson Fisher at Florida State These are just the ones off the top of my head Also, I've been saying for three years now, the risk of missing out on Scott because we didn't think he was ready yet, is greater than the risk of hiring him with a lack of head coaching experience and having it be bad. The problem with this list is you have Fisher, Swinney, Bielema, Shaw, Coker, Switzer, Peterson, Solich, Osborne, Kelly, Helfrich and Malzan (basically) that were all at the program and were internal promotions, everyone in the program mind of knew what they were getting. Then you had 2 schools try to recreate the Belichick magic. So really there was Richt, Stoops, Muschamp, and Pelini where nobody really knew what they were getting. (But TO had a pretty good idea) Quote Link to comment
VA Husker Fan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You've also got guys like Mike Shula and John Blake and probably many more flame outs on that list as well. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 So really there was Richt, Stoops, Muschamp, and Pelini where nobody really knew what they were getting. (But TO had a pretty good idea) Fair enough, but the point is, you NEVER really know what you're getting, unless your new hire has coached at a school at the same level of prestige as yours and in a comparable recruiting footprint and conference strength. So. You basically never know what you're getting, unless you're Alabama hiring Nick Saban after he coached at LSU. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You've also got guys like Mike Shula and John Blake and probably many more flame outs on that list as well. Absolutely. That's the point. There is no statistical evidence of any sort of category of hire being more successful than another. For every new coach with head coaching experience that goes on to be a great hire, there's another with previous head coaching experience that goes on to be a terrible hire. For every coordinator that gets a HC gig at a big time school and does great, there's another coordinator that does terrible. Quote Link to comment
Dansker Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Is this just speculation? The only people I've really heard become vocal in favor of Frost is Jason Peter and Damon Benning. Quote Link to comment
BoNeyard Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Everyone here in Oregon thought Frost was gone last year, everyone around the Duck program thought he would be Nebraska's next head coach. Would make sense also since Oregon and Nebraska face off the next two seasons. Good insight there, Quote Link to comment
SFW Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hiring Scott Frost is probably the only way we beat Oregon in the next two years. 1 Quote Link to comment
kchusker_chris Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Joe Moglia (2mil), Scott Frost (OC - 1.5mil), Ed Orgeron (DC - 1.5mil). Same premise as before the Riley hire. 2 Quote Link to comment
AZRaiderH8r Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hypothetically speaking, if Scott Frost was brought in as HC, any ideas on who he would bring on his staff? I know that it's just speculation, but since this is rumorville and all, I'd be interested to hear what others with more insight in to Scott's career think about this. With it being his first HC job, would that also indicate that he doesn't have a lot of resources available to come in and be a part of his staff? We've obviously seen how important the staff is with the current situation. Just curious... Quote Link to comment
chamrocck Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Hypothetically speaking, if Scott Frost was brought in as HC, any ideas on who he would bring on his staff? You want to know who Frost would bring in? Well, I'll tell you who! Man, do I got a name for you! Just proves Scotty's our man. Frost's epic first hire 4 Quote Link to comment
T_GBR_FAN Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Hypothetically speaking, if Scott Frost was brought in as HC, any ideas on who he would bring on his staff? You want to know who Frost would bring in? Well, I'll tell you who! Man, do I got a name for you! Just proves Scotty's our man. Frost's epic first hire That is good stuff. Who would have thought, lol Quote Link to comment
BoNeyard Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Hypothetically speaking, if Scott Frost was brought in as HC, any ideas on who he would bring on his staff? You want to know who Frost would bring in? Well, I'll tell you who! Man, do I got a name for you! Just proves Scotty's our man. Frost's epic first hire Well done. Quote Link to comment
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