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So who do you guys think is in line for a Husker offer? Seems to me based on the interest of other schools that Strom & Kitrell are the most deserving, and the Huskers could really use them as well. There's other guys like Ciurej, Arnold, Begley, etc. that I could see getting a late offer as well. Not Vedral since he doesn't fit the scheme, but he's talented also.

 

P.S. I know we offered Broc Bando, but has anybody heard anything about Cordarrius Bailey, the guy who moved to MS from Lincoln High? Seems like he would also be one the staff would be giving a look.

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I think Kitrell will get an offer. Strom would be the next in line (imo) but I don't know if he'll get an offer. Maybe a late one if we miss somewhere. Part of Strom's issue is knowing where he'll fit in. Kind of a tweener it seems like.

 

I've never seen Bailey's name come up.

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This seems like a reasonable statement on its face, but it's very misguided about how recruiting at NU needs to work. Nebraska HAS to be a program that can identify and develop potential. Going after "championship caliber" recruits means trying to beat Alabama, OSU, Notre Dame, Michigan, et al. at their own game. And that's just not going to happen consistently.

 

How many of those "championship caliber" guys are even identifiable in high school?

 

Picking up a 3 star California kid is not necessarily better than picking up a 2 star NE native who's got potential to grow.

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This seems like a reasonable statement on its face, but it's very misguided about how recruiting at NU needs to work. Nebraska HAS to be a program that can identify and develop potential. Going after "championship caliber" recruits means trying to beat Alabama, OSU, Notre Dame, Michigan, et al. at their own game. And that's just not going to happen consistently.

 

How many of those "championship caliber" guys are even identifiable in high school?

 

Picking up a 3 star California kid is not necessarily better than picking up a 2 star NE native who's got potential to grow.

 

They've all got potential to grow ... starting with more talent doesn't hurt.

 

Don't get me wrong, I hope we get some additional in state guys lined up, but you'd be hard pressed to defend to me how a kid getting offers from SDSU, Minn and etc is somebody we should be hot on. On the flip side, the top tier instate recruits being pursued by other similar caliper programs have committed to UNL in the last year (Allen, Maypeiu, Bando) I think we're on the right track.

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Nebraska kids have been, and always will be, pursued less than if they went to school in TX, CA or FL. It's the reality of opportunity cost for out of state coaches building relationships with NE coaches. We shouldn't look at a NE kid's list of offers as the best indicator of whether we should recruit them because it's quite likely that a "3 star" NE kid who is equal to or better than a "3 star" Ohio or FL or CA kid will never get an offer from OSU, UF or UCLA simply due to geography.

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Nebraska kids have been, and always will be, pursued less than if they went to school in TX, CA or FL. It's the reality of opportunity cost for out of state coaches building relationships with NE coaches. We shouldn't look at a NE kid's list of offers as the best indicator of whether we should recruit them because it's quite likely that a "3 star" NE kid who is equal to or better than a "3 star" Ohio or FL or CA kid will never get an offer from OSU, UF or UCLA simply due to geography.

I will agree with you that looking at a kids offer list isn't probably the best indicator of whether we should pursue, but I guess I do think the recruiting list as one gets into their Sr. year is often indicative of skill set and overall potential a great deal of the time. If more than one program views films, visits and etc and puts value on a kid then there's usually something there. Solid athletes have proven that the programs will come to NE to view them (I'm thinking Allen and Jurgens most recently).

 

I think where we win with instate recruits, and it will take consistency and time (this staff is doing it right - establishing relationships with coaching staff through the state and etc) is to identify coachable kids early. To find diamonds in the rough that don't stand out on film to other teams, but are built well, have speed etc (Mapiue is an excellent example). Getting commitments as Juniors with these kids is great. The beauty of our program is 99% of kids raised in NE have dreamt about playing in Lincoln.

 

Can you help me out with why you think a 3 star athlete in OH has a better chance with a strong college than a 3 star NE kid?

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Nebraska kids have been, and always will be, pursued less than if they went to school in TX, CA or FL. It's the reality of opportunity cost for out of state coaches building relationships with NE coaches. We shouldn't look at a NE kid's list of offers as the best indicator of whether we should recruit them because it's quite likely that a "3 star" NE kid who is equal to or better than a "3 star" Ohio or FL or CA kid will never get an offer from OSU, UF or UCLA simply due to geography.

I will agree with you that looking at a kids offer list isn't probably the best indicator of whether we should pursue, but I guess I do think the recruiting list as one gets into their Sr. year is often indicative of skill set and overall potential a great deal of the time. If more than one program views films, visits and etc and puts value on a kid then there's usually something there. Solid athletes have proven that the programs will come to NE to view them (I'm thinking Allen and Jurgens most recently).

 

I think where we win with instate recruits, and it will take consistency and time (this staff is doing it right - establishing relationships with coaching staff through the state and etc) is to identify coachable kids early. To find diamonds in the rough that don't stand out on film to other teams, but are built well, have speed etc (Mapiue is an excellent example). Getting commitments as Juniors with these kids is great. The beauty of our program is 99% of kids raised in NE have dreamt about playing in Lincoln.

 

Can you help me out with why you think a 3 star athlete in OH has a better chance with a strong college than a 3 star NE kid?

 

Because there are several mid-to-large D1 programs in Ohio and the surrounding area and every single one of those staffs have coaches with excellent, 10+ year long personal relationships with high school coaches in the area.

 

Here... it's Nebraska. No one has built those relationships here, really (except for Scott Frost and Craig Bohl? - well, and our staff, and we can't take everyone) and they aren't going to take the time to invest in the relationships here that produce minimal quantity of high school talent every year. We just don't produce at the same level numbers wise as states like Ohio, so D1 staffers have built relationships there that they haven't here.

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Iowa is going to offer Jack Begley according to RSS.

Barring a breakout year and us whiffing on others I'm not sure we offer. Did he even come to our camps?

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Iowa is going to offer Jack Begley according to RSS.

Barring a breakout year and us whiffing on others I'm not sure we offer. Did he even come to our camps?

 

 

He was at one of the Friday Night Lights.

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Iowa is going to offer Jack Begley according to RSS.

Barring a breakout year and us whiffing on others I'm not sure we offer. Did he even come to our camps?

He was at one of the Friday Night Lights.

Good, didn't see it. Thanks

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This is not in any way a knock on the guys we're looking at/offered, but if the best players currently in the state are from Aurora, Beatrice, Ashland-Greenwood and Gretna, that's not speaking very highly of Class A ball in the state.

 

Last year the Huskers offered three in-state guys and only one of them played Class A.

 

I don't know for sure, but I would guess that Gretna has to be knocking on the door for Class A just due to the housing boom out there.

 

 

What I heard from a teacher out there is that they don't have room to take on many more students. They would have to add more space and remodel or else build another school.

 

I would LOVE to see Lincoln and Omaha open more schools to get the (NSAA enrollment) numbers down to about 1000 per. It spreads out talent but it helps regulate the Class B disparage. Gretna/Columbus should never be playing Holdrege or Adams Central.

 

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This is not in any way a knock on the guys we're looking at/offered, but if the best players currently in the state are from Aurora, Beatrice, Ashland-Greenwood and Gretna, that's not speaking very highly of Class A ball in the state.

 

Last year the Huskers offered three in-state guys and only one of them played Class A.

 

I don't know for sure, but I would guess that Gretna has to be knocking on the door for Class A just due to the housing boom out there.

What I heard from a teacher out there is that they don't have room to take on many more students. They would have to add more space and remodel or else build another school.

 

I would LOVE to see Lincoln and Omaha open more schools to get the (NSAA enrollment) numbers down to about 1000 per. It spreads out talent but it helps regulate the Class B disparage. Gretna/Columbus should never be playing Holdrege or Adams Central.

Not sure how this fits in to this convo. But when I was playing peewee league ball in Olathe, Kansas we used to host teams from all over the Midwest sometimes. Now me being 20, this isn't super old or anything. However, I remember we used to play teams from Omaha & Lincoln, And to be fairly honest, I didn't realize and I don't mean to offend you all, but how bad some of those teams are. We used to straight crush some of those kids. I'm still very confident even to this day, you could take the Kansas winners from 4A, 5A, and 6A and play the title winners from Nebraska and it wouldn't even be close.

 

 

Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

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Iowa is going to offer Jack Begley according to RSS.

Barring a breakout year and us whiffing on others I'm not sure we offer. Did he even come to our camps?
Even though it's not going to happen, I'd like to see us give a shot to Patrick Arnold. My favorite of the rest of the un-offered bunch in the state.

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Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

It's pretty crazy - in a bad way - how little football talent Class A has produced over the last few years. No idea what happened but it's not a good trend.

 

Class B has been pretty good. Maybe better than Class A over the last couple years.

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This is not in any way a knock on the guys we're looking at/offered, but if the best players currently in the state are from Aurora, Beatrice, Ashland-Greenwood and Gretna, that's not speaking very highly of Class A ball in the state.

 

Last year the Huskers offered three in-state guys and only one of them played Class A.

I don't know for sure, but I would guess that Gretna has to be knocking on the door for Class A just due to the housing boom out there.

What I heard from a teacher out there is that they don't have room to take on many more students. They would have to add more space and remodel or else build another school.

 

I would LOVE to see Lincoln and Omaha open more schools to get the (NSAA enrollment) numbers down to about 1000 per. It spreads out talent but it helps regulate the Class B disparage. Gretna/Columbus should never be playing Holdrege or Adams Central.

Not sure how this fits in to this convo. But when I was playing peewee league ball in Olathe, Kansas we used to host teams from all over the Midwest sometimes. Now me being 20, this isn't super old or anything. However, I remember we used to play teams from Omaha & Lincoln, And to be fairly honest, I didn't realize and I don't mean to offend you all, but how bad some of those teams are. We used to straight crush some of those kids. I'm still very confident even to this day, you could take the Kansas winners from 4A, 5A, and 6A and play the title winners from Nebraska and it wouldn't even be close.

 

 

Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

 

No offense taken. People from McCook might take offense because they think they are God's gift to humanity.

 

Nebraska High school football just isn't very good. Some may argue that opening more schools hurts developing talent because the best players can't always play at the same schools. I'm not really concerned with developing D1 talent as much as I'm concerned with building the man, preparing him for life, and putting him in the best position to succeed. Most of the time, teaching D1 technique isn't going to work with 95% or more of the student base in Nebraska. 99.99999% of the athletes in Nebraska end up finishing their careers in HS.

 

Unless your from McCook, then you just chose to hang it up even though you got "multiple offers and looks". Besides, playing at McCook is a far superior fan atmosphere than playing anywhere in Nebraska except at Lincoln. <_<<_<<_<<_<

 

 

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Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

It's pretty crazy - in a bad way - how little football talent Class A has produced over the last few years. No idea what happened but it's not a good trend.

 

Class B has been pretty good. Maybe better than Class A over the last couple years.

 

Class B may be producing more individual talent, as many Omaha-area families now prefer to attend schools in Elkhorn, Gretna, Ashland-Greenwood, and other smaller towns just outside of Omaha, instead of having their kids attend OPS schools. Throw in Skutt Catholic, and there are plenty of growing schools outside the traditional Class A schools from Omaha and Lincoln.

 

However, the top Class A schools are going to have much more depth and overall talent than Class B schools and would probably beat them handily on the field.

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Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

It's pretty crazy - in a bad way - how little football talent Class A has produced over the last few years. No idea what happened but it's not a good trend.

 

Class B has been pretty good. Maybe better than Class A over the last couple years.

 

Class B may be producing more individual talent, as many Omaha-area families now prefer to attend schools in Elkhorn, Gretna, Ashland-Greenwood, and other smaller towns just outside of Omaha, instead of having their kids attend OPS schools. Throw in Skutt Catholic, and there are plenty of growing schools outside the traditional Class A schools from Omaha and Lincoln.

 

However, the top Class A schools are going to have much more depth and overall talent than Class B schools and would probably beat them handily on the field.

 

Yeah, I was talking about legit Power 5 players. Class A definitely has better overall talent but they haven't been producing much as far as elite guys.

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Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

It's pretty crazy - in a bad way - how little football talent Class A has produced over the last few years. No idea what happened but it's not a good trend.

 

Class B has been pretty good. Maybe better than Class A over the last couple years.

 

Class B may be producing more individual talent, as many Omaha-area families now prefer to attend schools in Elkhorn, Gretna, Ashland-Greenwood, and other smaller towns just outside of Omaha, instead of having their kids attend OPS schools. Throw in Skutt Catholic, and there are plenty of growing schools outside the traditional Class A schools from Omaha and Lincoln.

 

However, the top Class A schools are going to have much more depth and overall talent than Class B schools and would probably beat them handily on the field.

 

Yeah, I was talking about legit Power 5 players. Class A definitely has better overall talent but they haven't been producing much as far as elite guys.

 

In 2017, that looks to be true, but the best players in 2015 and 2016 were from Omaha and Lincoln. I am not sure why Bubak attended Lincoln Christian, other than his parents wanting him to attend a parochial school.

 

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/RecruitRankings?State=NE

 

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=NE

 

But, as others have stated, there doesn't seem to be a lot of stud recruits being produced in-state right now.

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Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

It's pretty crazy - in a bad way - how little football talent Class A has produced over the last few years. No idea what happened but it's not a good trend.

 

Class B has been pretty good. Maybe better than Class A over the last couple years.

 

Class B may be producing more individual talent, as many Omaha-area families now prefer to attend schools in Elkhorn, Gretna, Ashland-Greenwood, and other smaller towns just outside of Omaha, instead of having their kids attend OPS schools. Throw in Skutt Catholic, and there are plenty of growing schools outside the traditional Class A schools from Omaha and Lincoln.

 

However, the top Class A schools are going to have much more depth and overall talent than Class B schools and would probably beat them handily on the field.

 

Yeah, I was talking about legit Power 5 players. Class A definitely has better overall talent but they haven't been producing much as far as elite guys.

 

In 2017, that looks to be true, but the best players in 2015 and 2016 were from Omaha and Lincoln. I am not sure why Bubak attended Lincoln Christian, other than his parents wanting him to attend a parochial school.

 

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/RecruitRankings?State=NE

 

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=NE

 

But, as others have stated, there doesn't seem to be a lot of stud recruits being produced in-state right now.

 

But that's the point. Just because Bubak is from Lincoln doesn't mean he gets to qualify as Class A.

 

Per your links, in 2016 there were 5 Nebraska kids that went to Power Five schools. 1 from OPS, 1 from LPS, 1 from Class B and 2 from Class C.

In 2015 there were only 3 that went to Power 5 schools - 2 from OPS and 1 from Class B

In 2014 there were only 4 - 1 from OPS, 2 from LPS and 1 from Class B

I don't really count LoCouture in 2013 because he was only in Nebraska for one year. He would be one for LPS but other than that there were only 2 Power 5 players - 1 from LPS and 1 from Class D

And in 2012 there were a total of 3 in the Power 5 - 2 from LPS and 1 from Class D

 

So out of every high school player that went to high school mostly in Nebraska and could be enrolled in college right now, there are only a total of 17 that went to Power 5 schools.

Of those 17, OPS only produced 4 of them - not even 1 per year. LPS produced 6. Class B produced 3. Class C produced 2 and Class D produced 2.

 

So there are as nearly as many from Class B as from OPS and the same number from Classes C and D as there are from OPS.

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Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

It's pretty crazy - in a bad way - how little football talent Class A has produced over the last few years. No idea what happened but it's not a good trend.

 

Class B has been pretty good. Maybe better than Class A over the last couple years.

 

Class B may be producing more individual talent, as many Omaha-area families now prefer to attend schools in Elkhorn, Gretna, Ashland-Greenwood, and other smaller towns just outside of Omaha, instead of having their kids attend OPS schools. Throw in Skutt Catholic, and there are plenty of growing schools outside the traditional Class A schools from Omaha and Lincoln.

 

However, the top Class A schools are going to have much more depth and overall talent than Class B schools and would probably beat them handily on the field.

 

This is true to an extent. I would say that the top teams in Class A consist of maybe 4 in a given year. I haven't watched a Class A game since I went to every Kearney High game back in the fall of 2008. I've seen some Class B playoff games since then. Aurora, Gretna, and McCook. The glaring difference isn't, for lack of a better term, talent. It's the speed. That 2008 Kearney team went 6-3 lost a couple heartbreakers, and lost to Omaha North in the Quarterfinals. They had SPEED. I watch Gretna, Aurora, and McCook and they have plenty of athletes of the same size and stature as some of these Class A schools, but lack the pure speed at skill positions.

 

I think Elkhorn is a prime example. They moved into Class A right around that 2008 season. They went like 7-2.

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This is not in any way a knock on the guys we're looking at/offered, but if the best players currently in the state are from Aurora, Beatrice, Ashland-Greenwood and Gretna, that's not speaking very highly of Class A ball in the state.

 

Last year the Huskers offered three in-state guys and only one of them played Class A.

I don't know for sure, but I would guess that Gretna has to be knocking on the door for Class A just due to the housing boom out there.

What I heard from a teacher out there is that they don't have room to take on many more students. They would have to add more space and remodel or else build another school.

 

I would LOVE to see Lincoln and Omaha open more schools to get the (NSAA enrollment) numbers down to about 1000 per. It spreads out talent but it helps regulate the Class B disparage. Gretna/Columbus should never be playing Holdrege or Adams Central.

Not sure how this fits in to this convo. But when I was playing peewee league ball in Olathe, Kansas we used to host teams from all over the Midwest sometimes. Now me being 20, this isn't super old or anything. However, I remember we used to play teams from Omaha & Lincoln, And to be fairly honest, I didn't realize and I don't mean to offend you all, but how bad some of those teams are. We used to straight crush some of those kids. I'm still very confident even to this day, you could take the Kansas winners from 4A, 5A, and 6A and play the title winners from Nebraska and it wouldn't even be close.

 

 

Which leads me to this. What has happened to the quality class A Nebraska football? Surely talent doesn't just disappear like that?

 

No offense taken. People from McCook might take offense because they think they are God's gift to humanity.

 

Nebraska High school football just isn't very good. Some may argue that opening more schools hurts developing talent because the best players can't always play at the same schools. I'm not really concerned with developing D1 talent as much as I'm concerned with building the man, preparing him for life, and putting him in the best position to succeed. Most of the time, teaching D1 technique isn't going to work with 95% or more of the student base in Nebraska. 99.99999% of the athletes in Nebraska end up finishing their careers in HS.

 

Unless your from McCook, then you just chose to hang it up even though you got "multiple offers and looks". Besides, playing at McCook is a far superior fan atmosphere than playing anywhere in Nebraska except at Lincoln. <_<<_<<_<<_<

 

 

 

Yikes. Being from Western Nebraska, I like to rag on McCook as much as the next sane man, but what did the Bison do to you? Can you point on the doll where they touched you?

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Wonder if the end result would have been the same if he never would have injured his knee..or possibility they just felt he had limited potential or something.

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Swing and a miss by the staff, IMO. Be interested to see if they keep pursuing him.

 

Can't really call it a swing and a miss if the coaching staff never even offered, can you?

 

Should it be "caught looking" then?

 

We were caught looking, just like every other P5 school not named Minnesota.

 

I wish him luck with the Gophs 11 games a year.

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Brett was a lock to be a Husker if we offered. He grew up a Husker fan...his dad played here...he has a brother on the team now....1 of his best friends from high school (Stille) is on the team.......but we didn't show a lot of interest and he was the Gophers top o-line target. i wish him the best but regret not seeing him in Husker red. I hope he reaches his goals through Minnesota

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Swing and a miss by the staff, IMO. Be interested to see if they keep pursuing him.

 

Can't really call it a swing and a miss if the coaching staff never even offered, can you?

 

Should it be "caught looking" then?

 

We were caught looking, just like every other P5 school not named Minnesota.

 

I wish him luck with the Gophs 11 games a year.

 

And that makes it acceptable?

 

Kitrell is worth an offer to Nebraska. I love what the staff is doing on the coasts with the skill positions, but they can look to the interior to build up their O and D lines, especially with the apparent young depth at each.

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Swing and a miss by the staff, IMO. Be interested to see if they keep pursuing him.

Can't really call it a swing and a miss if the coaching staff never even offered, can you?

Should it be "caught looking" then?

We were caught looking, just like every other P5 school not named Minnesota.

 

I wish him luck with the Gophs 11 games a year.

And that makes it acceptable?

 

Kitrell is worth an offer to Nebraska. I love what the staff is doing on the coasts with the skill positions, but they can look to the interior to build up their O and D lines, especially with the apparent young depth at each.

He's worth an offer in your opinion. I agree with the staffs approach so far. Kid hasn't played a down since a major knee injury. If he wishes to commit 7 months before signing day so be it. We could see his knee in football action and see where we are at with bigger names and go from there.

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Yeah, for as much as I don't want to let top in-state guys get away - especially to conference opponents - this is a different situation. I really thought he would get an offer after the coaches saw him this summer. But I don't blame them for (possibly) wanting to see him in some game action first. If he didn't want to wait for that, that's his choice.

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Are we inspiring to me Minnesota?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

or Iowa?

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Are we inspiring to me Minnesota?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

or Iowa?

I don't understand the question

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