Penn St. sex abuse scandal

If Paterno had lived longer, he wouldn't have provided any useful information. At that point he was addle-minded, or at least would have pretended to be to his advantage.

 
Jim Delaney dropped the ball on this one. Should have cut them loose.

Should probably consider it before the new TV deal goes into effect.

 
I don't understand why the NCAA would grant them relief. The penalty should have been death or a minimum of 15 year ban in all NCAA sports. There is no question that Paterno and all the coaches and staff (Hell, everybody around the place would of or should of known) were well aware. Anytime a well known football coach has little boys (not his own) hanging around with him in the offices, lockers and showers, going on trips out of town to hotels, etc, you have to ask questions, even though the answers should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. This goes on for decades!

Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs). They are evil predators and there is no acceptance, understanding or forebearance for this stuff. Stop it - immediately. Instead, Paterno, the adminstration and staff facilitated, covered and turned a blind eye and deaf ears (there must have been screaming and suffering). Whole thing makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. What kind of sick society do we have that tolerates all this crap.?

 
84HuskerLaw said:
I don't understand why the NCAA would grant them relief. The penalty should have been death or a minimum of 15 year ban in all NCAA sports. There is no question that Paterno and all the coaches and staff (Hell, everybody around the place would of or should of known) were well aware. Anytime a well known football coach has little boys (not his own) hanging around with him in the offices, lockers and showers, going on trips out of town to hotels, etc, you have to ask questions, even though the answers should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. This goes on for decades!

Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs). They are evil predators and there is no acceptance, understanding or forebearance for this stuff. Stop it - immediately. Instead, Paterno, the adminstration and staff facilitated, covered and turned a blind eye and deaf ears (there must have been screaming and suffering). Whole thing makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. What kind of sick society do we have that tolerates all this crap.?
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HuskerLaw I've disagreed with some of the other folks here who beat up on you a bit, because I felt that at least your comments were based in fact, but this post is nutty. Did Paterno know? Maybe. Was it enabling if he did - probably. But to leap to him being a participant is nuts. To think people were hearing screams and choosing not to do anything is nuts. Did Paterno deserve to be interviewed and investigated - yes. The idea that "these people work in packs" is ridiculous. If you've done any research at all the reason they're able to continue to abuse is that they isolate, themselves and the victims.

Now the rest of your comments are valid, but the dramatic stuff lessons it's effect.

 
84HuskerLaw said:
I don't understand why the NCAA would grant them relief. The penalty should have been death or a minimum of 15 year ban in all NCAA sports. There is no question that Paterno and all the coaches and staff (Hell, everybody around the place would of or should of known) were well aware. Anytime a well known football coach has little boys (not his own) hanging around with him in the offices, lockers and showers, going on trips out of town to hotels, etc, you have to ask questions, even though the answers should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. This goes on for decades!

Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs). They are evil predators and there is no acceptance, understanding or forebearance for this stuff. Stop it - immediately. Instead, Paterno, the adminstration and staff facilitated, covered and turned a blind eye and deaf ears (there must have been screaming and suffering). Whole thing makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. What kind of sick society do we have that tolerates all this crap.?
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I get the notion that the NCAA lifted the penalties because an impending lawsuit was going to show they had no right to levy the penalties in the first place. What happened at Penn State is heinous and a criminal matter, but the behavior may not be punishable by NCAA bylaws. It absolutely should be punishable but I think this one is up to the courts to levy penalties against PSU.

 
84HuskerLaw said:
Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs).
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You are suggesting that Paterno molested these children as well?

Considering that none of the victims that accused Sandusky accused Paterno, I would say you are stepping out n a very thin limb.

 
Apparently Penn St. or insurer is on the hook for over $90 million in civil settlements to sex abuse victims, 30 victims. Additionally, they were obliged to pay NCAA over 60 million in fines which were later diverted to funds for education/ prevention programs ( I am not clear if that money has actually been spent.) Due to litigation, NCAA has basically rescinded all or most of its initial penalties to Penn St. Wins have been reinstated, Scholarships have been restored. While Penn St. (or its insurer) is apparently paying heavily in settlements, NCAA has basically backed off the punitive side of the issue with Penn St.

It might be argued that NCAA should have recommended and implemented the football death penalty in this case. There are conflicting accounts as to whether it was on the table at all. The fact remains that allowing a high ranking coach to continue in their capacities at the University fails to ensure and implement a culture of safety for athletes at the institution, and seeks to improperly maintain competitive standing (advantage) compared to what the situation would have been if the institution had properly investigated and made all allegations known to the authorities and to the public.

 
StPaulHusker said:
84HuskerLaw said:
Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs).
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You are suggesting that Paterno molested these children as well?

Considering that none of the victims that accused Sandusky accused Paterno, I would say you are stepping out n a very thin limb.
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The stories that have come out suggest that Paterno knew about the molestations (one was reported directly to Paterno in a phone conversation as a rape) as early as the 1970s. When they finally dismissed Sandusky from the team they gave him an office somewhere in the athletic facilities, and they gave him full access to the PSU football and athletic facilities.

Paterno's claim that he "reported it to his superiors" so he had basically done his job, doesn't explain why he supported the idea of keeping Sandusky around where he (Paterno) knew that Sandusky brought little boys from that charity (and continued to bring them after several allegations had been brought forward). It seems to have been common enough knowledge around Penn State to the point where players would talk about someone getting "Sandusky-ed".

Okay, so add up all that we do know....

Paterno has an accused sexual predator on his coaching staff from the 1970s

Paterno keeps and promotes said accused sexual predator

When allegations force said predator from the team Paterno allows the guy full access to the Athletic facilities.

So, I won't go so far as to accuse Paterno of sexually abusing children, but it does beg some pretty big questions and I'm not sure how thin that limb really is.

 
California Husker said:
StPaulHusker said:
84HuskerLaw said:
Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs).
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You are suggesting that Paterno molested these children as well?
Considering that none of the victims that accused Sandusky accused Paterno, I would say you are stepping out n a very thin limb.
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The stories that have come out suggest that Paterno knew about the molestations (one was reported directly to Paterno in a phone conversation as a rape) as early as the 1970s. When they finally dismissed Sandusky from the team they gave him an office somewhere in the athletic facilities, and they gave him full access to the PSU football and athletic facilities.
Paterno's claim that he "reported it to his superiors" so he had basically done his job, doesn't explain why he supported the idea of keeping Sandusky around where he (Paterno) knew that Sandusky brought little boys from that charity (and continued to bring them after several allegations had been brought forward). It seems to have been common enough knowledge around Penn State to the point where players would talk about someone getting "Sandusky-ed".

Okay, so add up all that we do know....

Paterno has an accused sexual predator on his coaching staff from the 1970s

Paterno keeps and promotes said accused sexual predator

When allegations force said predator from the team Paterno allows the guy full access to the Athletic facilities.

So, I won't go so far as to accuse Paterno of sexually abusing children, but it does beg some pretty big questions and I'm not sure how thin that limb really is.
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California Husker said:
StPaulHusker said:
84HuskerLaw said:
Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs).
Click to expand...
You are suggesting that Paterno molested these children as well?
Considering that none of the victims that accused Sandusky accused Paterno, I would say you are stepping out n a very thin limb.
Click to expand...
The stories that have come out suggest that Paterno knew about the molestations (one was reported directly to Paterno in a phone conversation as a rape) as early as the 1970s. When they finally dismissed Sandusky from the team they gave him an office somewhere in the athletic facilities, and they gave him full access to the PSU football and athletic facilities.
Paterno's claim that he "reported it to his superiors" so he had basically done his job, doesn't explain why he supported the idea of keeping Sandusky around where he (Paterno) knew that Sandusky brought little boys from that charity (and continued to bring them after several allegations had been brought forward). It seems to have been common enough knowledge around Penn State to the point where players would talk about someone getting "Sandusky-ed".

Okay, so add up all that we do know....

Paterno has an accused sexual predator on his coaching staff from the 1970s

Paterno keeps and promotes said accused sexual predator

When allegations force said predator from the team Paterno allows the guy full access to the Athletic facilities.

So, I won't go so far as to accuse Paterno of sexually abusing children, but it does beg some pretty big questions and I'm not sure how thin that limb really is.
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California Husker said:
StPaulHusker said:
84HuskerLaw said:
Paterno knew full well what was going on and did nothing or even worse was a participant as well. My understanding of these 'types' is they tend to associate and work together (i.e. hunt in packs).
Click to expand...
You are suggesting that Paterno molested these children as well?
Considering that none of the victims that accused Sandusky accused Paterno, I would say you are stepping out n a very thin limb.
Click to expand...
The stories that have come out suggest that Paterno knew about the molestations (one was reported directly to Paterno in a phone conversation as a rape) as early as the 1970s. When they finally dismissed Sandusky from the team they gave him an office somewhere in the athletic facilities, and they gave him full access to the PSU football and athletic facilities.
Paterno's claim that he "reported it to his superiors" so he had basically done his job, doesn't explain why he supported the idea of keeping Sandusky around where he (Paterno) knew that Sandusky brought little boys from that charity (and continued to bring them after several allegations had been brought forward). It seems to have been common enough knowledge around Penn State to the point where players would talk about someone getting "Sandusky-ed".

Okay, so add up all that we do know....

Paterno has an accused sexual predator on his coaching staff from the 1970s

Paterno keeps and promotes said accused sexual predator

When allegations force said predator from the team Paterno allows the guy full access to the Athletic facilities.

So, I won't go so far as to accuse Paterno of sexually abusing children, but it does beg some pretty big questions and I'm not sure how thin that limb really is.
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Paterno should be roasting in hell!
 
Surprised this new story about the guy's grown up son being a serious child molester as well might have already been raised but ? This Penn State abuse scandal and the subsequent relief of the sanctions, etc just disgusts me to no end. I felt Penn State should have been given the 'death penalty' across all sports. I have not heard about lawsuits vs the athletic department by the victims' families etc as perhaps Pennsylvania has some very strict immunity laws but I think this kind of deliberate cover up and long term abuse by the University and its employee(s) is the kind that could find the equities of a court to pierce the veil and allow the actions.

We see apparently that Penn State didn't really suffer all that much for the worst athletics department scandal (perhaps) ever!

 
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