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I can't even f****** get through all of the Obama interview on Letterman's new Netflix show because it upsets me so much what we had and what we have now. I had avoided hearing him talk (just like I avoid hearing Trump talk) for over 15 months now. I will never understand how so many people hated him. I haven't heard any good reasons yet. I will occasionally hear a policy people disagreed with and I'm fine with that but the hate is just disgusting. Most of it is irrational and misguided.

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13 hours ago, Moiraine said:

I can't even f****** get through all of the Obama interview on Letterman's new Netflix show because it upsets me so much what we had and what we have now. I had avoided hearing him talk (just like I avoid hearing Trump talk) for over 15 months now. I will never understand how so many people hated him. I haven't heard any good reasons yet. I will occasionally hear a policy people disagreed with and I'm fine with that but the hate is just disgusting. Most of it is irrational and misguided.

 

The sad thing is I hear this pretty much verbatim from happy Trump supporters all the time.

 

In a sense, they're not wrong. Trump gets dumped on pretty much daily by most legitimate, non-hack media outlets.

 

But they completely fail to understand how he brings it on himself. And how every single president in the modern era has been subjected to the same pressure cooker.

 

They have a complete & utter blind spot for how divisive he is. Somehow it's everyone else's fault Trump is treated unfairly & so loathed by the vast majority of the country.

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Also, Moiraine, this will probably make you feel worse, but I just found it & it's too good not to share.

 

If anyone wanted another comparison of Obama & Trump, compare this...

 

 

(she's a career intel officer specializing in hostage policy)

 

to this...

 

 

Couldn't illustrate more perfectly how we went from an articulate, classy, intelligent, thoroughly thoughtful & caring man to an ignorant, racist, embarrassing buffoon.

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5 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

There isn’t anything to hate about Obama. There is way too much hate in American politics right now all the way around. 

 

We can disagree on policies.....but hate is something I try to avoid. 

:cheers

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President Nobama.    National Review - goes back and forth on Trump (pro or con) depending on the opinion writer. 

This would be considered a Pro-Trump article or maybe perhaps more of a Anti-Obama - progressive article.   Either way,

it does layout Trump's agenda and reasons behind his actions. 

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455453/president-trump-undoes-obama-legacy-commonsense-nobama

 

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Donald Trump continues to baffle. Never Trump Republicans still struggle to square the circle of quietly agreeing so far with most of his policies, as they loudly insist that his record is already nullified by its supposedly odious author. Or surely it soon will be discredited by the next Trumpian outrage. Or his successes belong to congressional and Cabinet members, while his failures are all his own. Rarely do they seriously reflect on what otherwise over the last year might have been the trajectory of a Clinton administration. Contrary to popular supposition, the Left loathes Trump not just for what he has done. (It is often too consumed with fury to calibrate carefully the particulars of the Trump agenda.) Rather, it despises him mostly for what he superficially represents.


 
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Yet one way of understanding Trump — particularly the momentum of his first year — is through recollection of the last eight years of the Obama administration. In reductionist terms, Trump is the un-Obama. Surprisingly, that is saying quite a lot more than simple reductive negativism. Republicans have not seriously attempted to roll back the administrative state since Reagan. On key issues of climate change, entitlements, illegal immigration, government spending, and globalization, it was sometimes hard to distinguish a Bush initiative from a Clinton policy or a McCain bill from a Biden proposal. There was often a reluctant acceptance of the seemingly inevitable march to the European-style socialist administrative state. Of course, there were sometimes differences between the two parties, such as the George W. Bush’s tax cuts or the Republicans’ opposition to Obamacare. Yet for the most part, since 1989, we’ve had lots of rhetoric but otherwise no serious effort to prune back the autonomous bureaucracy that grew ever larger. Few Republicans in the executive branch sought to reduce government employment, deregulate, sanction radical expansion of fossil-fuel production, question the economic effects of globalization on Americans between the coasts, address deindustrialization, recalibrate the tax code, rein in the EPA, secure the border, reduce illegal immigration, or question transnational organizations. To do all that would require a president to be largely hated by the Left, demonized by the media, and caricatured in popular culture — and few were willing to endure the commensurate ostracism. Trump has done all that in a manner perhaps more Reaganesque than Reagan himself. In part, he has been able to make such moves because of the Republican majority (though thin) in Congress and also because of, not despite, his politically incorrect bluntness, his in-your-face talk, innate cunning, reality-TV celebrity status, animalistic energy, and his cynical appraisal that tangible success wins more support than ideology. And, yes, in part the wheeler-dealer Manhattan billionaire developed real sympathy for the forgotten losers of globalization.

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Even his critics sometimes concede that his economic and foreign-policy agendas are bringing dividends. In some sense, it is not so much because of innovative policy, but rather that he is simply bullying his way back to basics we’ve forgotten over the past decades.


 The article goes on to state the changes he has made and why.    This will bother Obama supporters and for people like me, who are conservative but would be more of the 'Never Trumpers' type, I would have to say he has accomplished some things despite Trump being Trump.  And yes, I'd be one of those who would also say it was accomplished more by those around him (The Adults in the Room) and by Congress than by Trump himself.
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8 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Few Republicans in the executive branch sought to reduce government employment, deregulate, sanction radical expansion of fossil-fuel production, question the economic effects of globalization on Americans between the coasts, address deindustrialization, recalibrate the tax code, rein in the EPA, secure the border, reduce illegal immigration, or question transnational organizations.

 

None of these things has been accomplished positively by Trump.  Either they are the way they are because of bigotry, neglect, inefficiency, incompetence or malice.

 

Reduce Government Employment

Deregulate, And This

Sanction radical expansion of fossil-fuel production, And This

Globalization

Deindustrialization, And This, And This

Tax Code, And This, And This

EPA, And This, And This, And This

Border, And This, And This, And This

Illegal Immigration

 

In nearly every one of these decisions a clear path of profit for Trump or his interests, racism, or a simple vendetta against Obama can be seen.  None of these things are laudable. All will have lasting effects on America, none of them good. 

 

 

These apologist articles are reprehensible. 

 

36 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

This would be considered a Pro-Trump article or maybe perhaps more of a Anti-Obama - progressive article.  

 

The source is notable.

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