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Two things about this action by Trump.

 

1)  It's pathetic that he has done this when the Republicans have zero ability to put a coherent plan together to replace the ACA.  I emphatically do not support Trump's executive order.  However, maybe Trump supporters are like crack addicts.  They need to hit rock bottom before they realize there is a problem and start to fix it.  So....maybe enough of them need to lose health insurance due to the President they support for them to start waking up to how pathetic this piece of crap is.

 

2)  IF he is going to take these actions in healthcare, I am very glad he has done it now so that the effects are felt come 2020.  Worst case scenario would be that he does this in the summer of 2020 and all his worshipers are all celebrating at the time of the election when they go to vote.

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34 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Two things about this action by Trump.

 

1)  It's pathetic that he has done this when the Republicans have zero ability to put a coherent plan together to replace the ACA.  I emphatically do not support Trump's executive order.  However, maybe Trump supporters are like crack addicts.  They need to hit rock bottom before they realize there is a problem and start to fix it.  So....maybe enough of them need to lose health insurance due to the President they support for them to start waking up to how pathetic this piece of crap is.

 

2)  IF he is going to take these actions in healthcare, I am very glad he has done it now so that the effects are felt come 2020.  Worst case scenario would be that he does this in the summer of 2020 and all his worshipers are all celebrating at the time of the election when they go to vote.

 

I've come to the conclusion that Trump supporters are like the Joker in the Dark Knight. They just want to watch the world burn. And if they burn too, they'll think it was worth it. 

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I am now 100% on the single payor health care train. Ive been having some chest pain/pressure and palpitations after I eat so I went to a cardiologist last Wednesday and he ordered an echo stress test. I went for that test today only to be told my insurance denied me because of my age. They said they would only pay for me to walk on treadmill with ekg which the nurse practitioner said they wouldnt be able to fully diagnose me without the ultrasound. Wtf! My employer goes through united healthcare with their best available plan. Very high premium, low deductible. In fact $400+ a month premium. I pay half, employer pays half. So now because they denied me im stuck with that bill. I wasnt leaving that place without knowing if my heart was not getting enough O2 to it. Insurance companies are a bunch of f'ing crooks and this countrys healthcare is a f'ing joke. Would rather you die from a heart attack then pay for diagnostic/preventative services. Too young. What a joke. 

 

*preliminary report was good just so nobody freaks out haha*

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7 minutes ago, Rike Miley said:

I am now 100% on the single payor health care train. Ive been having some chest pain/pressure and palpitations after I eat so I went to a cardiologist last Wednesday and he ordered an echo stress test. I went for that test today only to be told my insurance denied me because of my age. They said they would only pay for me to walk on treadmill with ekg which the nurse practitioner said they wouldnt be able to fully diagnose me without the ultrasound. Wtf! My employer goes through united healthcare with their best available plan. Very high premium, low deductible. In fact $400+ a month premium. I pay half, employer pays half. So now because they denied me im stuck with that bill. I wasnt leaving that place without knowing if my heart was not getting enough O2 to it. Insurance companies are a bunch of f'ing crooks and this countrys healthcare is a f'ing joke. Would rather you die from a heart attack then pay for diagnostic/preventative services. Too young. What a joke. 

 

*preliminary report was good just so nobody freaks out haha*

Glad you're ok - I assume you got a PPI Rx or something to help?  Heartburn is a bitch.

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15 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

Glad you're ok - I assume you got a PPI Rx or something to help?  Heartburn is a bitch.

 

No, I should have put in my original post that I did an EKG at work like 2 weeks ago and it wasnt normal which prompted me to go see cardiologist. The ekg the doc took was normal last wed but wasnt normal again today. T wave inversion which could mean ischemia. Thats why I went ahead and said do the echo and ill pay out of pocket. The preliminary on the echo was good but the cardiologist hasnt seen it yet. Not heartburn though. Im thinking stress from the health problems my dad had last month and he could have died. 

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3 hours ago, Rike Miley said:

I am now 100% on the single payor health care train. Ive been having some chest pain/pressure and palpitations after I eat so I went to a cardiologist last Wednesday and he ordered an echo stress test. I went for that test today only to be told my insurance denied me because of my age. They said they would only pay for me to walk on treadmill with ekg which the nurse practitioner said they wouldnt be able to fully diagnose me without the ultrasound. Wtf! My employer goes through united healthcare with their best available plan. Very high premium, low deductible. In fact $400+ a month premium. I pay half, employer pays half. So now because they denied me im stuck with that bill. I wasnt leaving that place without knowing if my heart was not getting enough O2 to it. Insurance companies are a bunch of f'ing crooks and this countrys healthcare is a f'ing joke. Would rather you die from a heart attack then pay for diagnostic/preventative services. Too young. What a joke. 

 

*preliminary report was good just so nobody freaks out haha*

 

I'm not 100% on board with single player plan.  But, I'm willing to explore the idea with an open mind.

 

People I know who are your typical blind party Republican anti communist, anti socialist, flag waving patriotic gun toting real Americans.  There is no way in hell they are going to even consider something so socialistic.  They will harp on the fact that in that type of system, there would be delays in getting treatment and the government would be in charge of what treatment you get and who gets it....etc.


Everyone still just talks about modifying how we purchase health insurance.

 

Meanwhile, those insurance companies are doing the exact same thing these people fear the evil government would do......while raking in huge profits.

 

This healthcare debate is so into bizarro world that I honestly can't imagine anything good coming from it.

 


PS....glad you're OK.

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It's horrible for me to say, but I wish that Trump or his family were impacted by this.  Since he has zero empathy he won't be impacted when all his followers are the ones hit hardest by this.  All those people that hated being "forced" to have insurance, that are "healthy" and don't need it.  It will be interesting to see the interviews with his blind followers from the hospital, from bankruptcy court, from chemo clinics.

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So, apparently, Trump's executive order actually helps enrollment in states like California (those who have created exchanges within the structure of Obamacare) while, effectively, hurting all of the states that didn't really make use of Obamacare the way it was meant to (which are pretty much all red states who voted for Trump). So not only did Trump unwittingly help blue states, he also gave Democrats even more political capital because they get to pretend that this was a terrible move (when it really wasn't for their own constituents, but only for those whose votes they are trying to still get).

Even when Trump tries to do something despicable, he F's that up too, and his own party still doesn't get it either. Hell, I didn't fully get it until I read this article.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-obamacare-20171016-story.html
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So, someone finally asked Trump what his actual healthcare plan is.


His answer was... interesting.

 

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During a joint White House news conference with the prime minister of Greece on Tuesday, President Trump was asked an extremely basic question about his health care plan. He responded with a lengthy, incoherent word salad.

 

Trump was responding to Fox News’ John Roberts, who noted that Trump’s efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act through legislation have failed, and then asked him, “I’m wondering, at this point, what is your health care plan, sir?”

Without addressing the question, Trump immediately attacked insurance companies.

 

“Well if you look, ah, insurance companies, and you take a good strong look at the numbers, you’ll see since the formation of Obamacare they’re up 400 percent, 450 percent, 250 percent, 300 percent — they’ve made a fortune, the insurance companies,” Trump said. “So when I knocked out the hundreds of millions of dollars a month being paid back to the insurance companies by the politicians, I must tell you, that wanted me to continue to pay this, I said I’m not going to do it. This is money that goes to the insurance companies to line their pockets, to raise up their stock prices, and they’ve had a record run, they’ve had an incredible run, and it’s not appropriate.”
 

Trump then pivoted to attacking Obamacare.

 

“Obamacare is a disaster. It’s virtually dead, as far as I am concerned it really is dead, and I predicted that a long time ago — it is a concept that doesn’t work, and we are very close,” Trump said. “We feel we have the votes, and as soon as we’re finished with taxes, John, we really feel we have the votes to get block grants into the states where the states can much better manage this money and much better take care of the people, rather than the federal government. The state block grants — we’ll do massive block grants into the various states so that the states can run the program.”

 

Before he was done, Trump attacked Democrats (“they have no good policies”), decried that his judicial appointments aren’t being approved more quickly (“it’s a very disgraceful situation”), and touted his tax plan (“the largest tax cuts in the history of our country”).

 

After nearly three minutes of ranting, Trump finally stopped talking. But at no point did he actually explain what his health care plan is. So after Trump finished, Roberts interjected, “So is Graham-Cassidy still the plan, sir?”

 

“Yeah, essentially that would be the plan, yes,” Trump said. “Block grants.”

 

It's about time someone just asked the simple question. The ensuing trainwreck is exactly what I expected.

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