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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:01 AM

I also think it's important for viewers/readers to look in the mirror in these situations.

 

 

 

I don't disagree, but the greater burden lies with the Press, not the consumer.  Consumers are susceptible, and networks know this. It's why advertising works. 

 

Consumers will consume whatever they put out there.  The networks have to have a greater responsibility in the content they provide.


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:13 AM

 

 

 

 

Wow....I guess it's time to turn on Joe.

So....they have a morning news show. They aren't supposed to have a guy on that's running for president?

It's now MSNBCs fault he won? That's a new twist.

 

You don't think Joe and CNN having Trump call in every morning played a factor in getting the nomination?

 

He's a Presidential candidate that was more than willing to call in and talk to them.  Any news network would have done it and would do it again.  

 

Criticizing any of them for him getting nominated is quite odd.

 

 

Do you think they would have taken Rubio or Jeb calls everyday for months?  Hell no.  That would have tanked their ratings during those segments.

 

So, they had Trump on saying loony toon wacko things.  The voters heard these things over and over again.  They should have viewed him as a total nut job and not voted for him.

 

 

And....it's the news network's fault.

 

 

IMO the networks gave his loony toon wacko things legitimacy.


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:19 AM

Another odd thing about blaming Joe for Trump being elected.

 

How many Trump voters do you think watch MSNBC?

 

I don't know, I guess there are a few that "hate watch"?

 

I mean my mid 60s dad "hate watches" Fox News all the time and he hasn't voted for a R president since Reagan.

 

But I am not just blaming Joe here, I am blaming the other shows that gave him the same fawning coverage early on.


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:31 AM

 

I also think it's important for viewers/readers to look in the mirror in these situations.

 

 

I don't disagree, but the greater burden lies with the Press, not the consumer.  Consumers are susceptible, and networks know this. It's why advertising works. 

 

Consumers will consume whatever they put out there.  The networks have to have a greater responsibility in the content they provide.

I don't disagree, either. My point is, far too often, the consumer ignores or at least appears to completely shed responsibility for what type of news coverage is out there.

 

Media entities are the gateway, so culpability will almost always lean in their court, but whether it's 80/20, 70/30 or whatever is a bit irrelevant to me.


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:38 AM

When Trump went on the talk shows & cable news early in the campaign, he was treated as if he was a TV show host, not a candidate. He was given a pulpit because he said bombastic things. Nobody took him seriously as a candidate until late in the primary season, and by then the media had gotten so addicted to the ratings he provided that they kept showing his speeches nearly start-to-finish, providing him excellent free advertising.

Because they didn't see him as a real candidate, or as a candidate with even a remote chance of winning, they didn't critically analyze him, didn't hold him accountable like they would Obama, McCain, Romney, Bush, Gore, Clinton, etc. Any other candidate saying these things would be immediately called on the carpet. That favorable treatment allowed Trump a safe space to fester.

Nobody with any real political sense thought Trump would win, so nobody treated him like a real candidate.

So, yes, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and anyone else who had Trump on during the primaries for ratings is culpable for his win.

 

This didn't stop with the campaign, either. People are STILL grading Trump on a curve. The GOP uses it to give him cover. 

 

Imagine any of those names making 1/10th the mistakes Trump has made. What would the reaction be across the political spectrum? From voters? From the media?


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:43 AM

This didn't stop with the campaign, either. People are STILL grading Trump on a curve. The GOP uses it to give him cover. 
 
Imagine any of those names making 1/10th the mistakes Trump has made. What would the reaction be across the political spectrum? From voters? From the media?


Yes. It'd be a bloodbath out there if a "real" politician was doing any of these things.

If Hillary were in office and doing these things, or Chelsea had released an email similar to Jr.'s email, there would be hell to pay.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:51 AM

I'm sure she would have done things a little differently, Knapp. Be reasonable. 


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:34 PM

I can believe that {insert normal politician here, any party} would have an aide...maybe even a family member? ... who gets courted in this unscrupulous way and does the complete wrong thing.

I can't for the life of me imagine any other outcome than that politician coming out and totally repudiating the act, asking for amends/etc, and accepting the censure/charges/etc that need to arise.

Actually, maybe that's being a little lenient. I'm thinking of Iran Contra now. But this is something else.
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Posted 15 July 2017 - 03:03 PM

Loosely press related, if you can call this press.

 

My appreciation for Chelsea Clinton has grown since the election. Not in an "I hope she runs for office" kind of way - I'm sure some of you will want to hurt just reading that.

 

But in an "I'm going to stand up for myself and my family as they continue to be attacked" kind of a way.

 

The way Fox News talks about people they target is disgusting and infuriating. Especially coming from these pretty faces who get paid to churn out "analysis" like this.

 

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/886045675204612096

 

https://twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/886199946726211584


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 03:27 PM

Couldn't agree with you more dude.  She is polished, succinct but obviously not going to take the abuse laying down.  A great example for others, and a something both of her parents should be very proud of.

 

Edit: vs some of the other children of presidents:

 

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/885843520220737536

https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/870607259285454848


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:16 PM

I have zero problem with Chelsea Clinton running for office. She has an accomplished education in international relations and public policy. Depending on the office maybe you'd like to see more of a public service record in practice -- but there are far, far worse backgrounds from which to break into politics.
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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:25 PM

and donald trump jr. was willing to commit treason to help his father get elected president


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:40 PM

why. the. f***. are. they. talking. about. Hillary. Clinton.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 06:43 AM

A good reminder, even though Putin is a "good guy" that we should be partnering with.  Can nobody see where his "Fake News" rhetoric is headed?

 

https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/886276943888429056


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 02:04 PM

Ann Coulter getting a taste of her own medicine is amusing to me.

 

https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/886658116963770368

 

https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/886386669636669441


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 04:04 PM

If I was travelling alone and wound up being asked to switch seats within the same section on the plane I would be slightly annoyed in the moment, but would certainly forget about it quickly, I don't think the guy who was dragged off the United flight even made this big of a fuss.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:00 PM

"Dachshund-legged woman"...

What did that passenger do to her? Even if she did, this is a low blow.
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Posted 17 July 2017 - 04:37 AM

She was probably brown...

I think she just meant the lady was short. Coulter is 6 feet tall. Still I'm guessing she flies first class or comfort select where you already have lots of leg room. I'm 6'1" and always fly economy with the rest of the peasants. My legs are almost always touching the seat infront of me. Get over yourself woman.
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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:58 AM

She WAS brown. We know because Coulter took a picture of her and tweeted it out afterwards.

 

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/886345961194348544

 

The first reply rips her for it.

 

https://twitter.com/HannaFlint/status/886363365794353152


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:44 AM

The best thing I've ever seen is the Ann Coulter... I mean Rob Lowe roast, where everyone absolutely tore her apart. And then she proceeded to bomb for her bit.
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:19 AM

https://twitter.com/jaxalemany/status/887144137459421185
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 02:08 PM

SOMEbody grew a spine - 

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/887384932519170048


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 02:12 PM

Wow...and someone from Fox.


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 03:04 PM

A good reminder, even though Putin is a "good guy" that we should be partnering with.  Can nobody see where his "Fake News" rhetoric is headed?

 

https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/886276943888429056

Oh, I needed the clarification  - I thought it was the pictures of associates of the Clintons who died under mysterious circumstances :o   Ok I just couldn't resist.  I take it back - slap my hand! :P


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:10 PM

You've come a long way TG.   :lol:   Proud of you for taking it back.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:06 PM

OK....this is something that is very disturbing to me.

 

I just received an email from our local chamber claiming that "TF1 is in flight to XYZ.  They are going to be on main street and they are coming here to get people's attitudes towards President Trump".

 

Now....I had no clue what "TF1" was, so I needed to look it up.  It's a French TV network and is billed as the most watched network in Europe.

 

So.....it appears......Trump goes and visits the French President and was all buddy buddy with him and hits on his wife.  They have meetings...........then........a week later the most watched French TV network is flying to Nebraska (one of the most red states in the union) to interview people on their thoughts about Trump.

 

My conspiracy hat is on way tight for this President and I don't see this as a coincidence.  

 

 

 

 

And....no....this is not a joke.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 03:11 PM

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 03:14 PM

You've come a long way TG.   :lol:   Proud of you for taking it back.

Well, my distrust for all things Hillary remains but I won't go down the conspiracy trial. 


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Posted Yesterday, 08:28 AM

So Trump gives a sit down interview to The NY Times. A outlet that he has called failing, dishonest, and fake news. It's almost as if he doesn't believe what he tweets... Sad
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Posted Yesterday, 08:42 AM

96% of the time I think he's not well mentally.  That he's diagnosable, has ill intent and also is totally clueless.

 

And then 4% of the time I wonder - is it all planned?  Does he put the crazy comments in the NYT because he knows the entire audience already thinks he is incapable of holding this office, that he is unfit and this just perpetuates that idea and distracts his biggest critics from whatever issue Mr. Bannon is pushing through?

 

And then I look at the consistency of whack job statements and actions ... nah, he can't control it.


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Posted Yesterday, 08:51 AM

So Trump gives a sit down interview to The NY Times. A outlet that he has called failing, dishonest, and fake news. It's almost as if he doesn't believe what he tweets... Sad!
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Posted Yesterday, 08:53 AM

Shots fired!

 

https://twitter.com/meghanbarr/status/887993577233674241


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Posted Yesterday, 08:56 AM

Almost full transcript of the interview

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/887896007438028800
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Posted Yesterday, 08:57 AM

But he told me he's done many many great things, believe me.....................pffft.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:04 AM

Audio

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/887988227587624960
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Posted Yesterday, 09:31 AM

Have you ever seen the guy wt a happy face on??


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Posted Yesterday, 09:38 AM

Yeah, I appreciate the oddness of him being so close with an outlet he trashes so frequently...But the content is what should be knocking people backwards.

 

He straight up said he wouldn't have hired Sessions if he knew he would recuse himself. Sessions, a man I absolutely detest, took a step to try to avoid a conflict of interest, and he gets attacked by Trump for it. That right there shows you his absolute disdain for ethics and avoiding conflicts of interest.

 

He continued to pile on Comey (with lies) and attack Rosenstein for appointing Mueller (while completely whiffing on where Rosenstein lives and implying that his decision was politically motivated because "There's a lot of Democrats in Baltimore"). He also accused Comey of trying to use the pee-pee dossier as leverage by briefing Trump about it. Trump didn't like that the FBI director did his job and thinks something is up.

 

He lied about Mueller in that he implied he was interviewed for the FBI post when in fact he wasn't.

 

Lastly, he continues to try to keep his finger on the scale of the investigation into him and the campaign by saying he'd essentially axe Mueller if he got too close to his family dealings and finances.

 

Of course, there's also just the general lack of focus and odd tangents Trump decides to get off on. And of course, the attacks on Clinton and Obama for what they failed to do with healthcare (did you know Democrats owned and gave away the state of Nebraska in 09/10? TIL), coupled with his complete inability to answer any substantive questions about his own healthcare bill. He straight up said young people can get insured for $12 a year. Pretty ticked off they didn't follow up on that.

 

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Posted Yesterday, 01:03 PM

Some more from the NYT interview.   Can he be impeached for saying such amazingly stupid things:

 

Trump explains his extended handshakes with French President Emmanuel Macron

Haberman: He was very deferential to you. Very.

Trump: He’s a great guy. Smart. Strong. Loves holding my hand.

Haberman: I’ve noticed.

Trump: People don’t realize he loves holding my hand. And that’s good, as far as that goes.

 

Trump wants to have a military parade on Pennsylvania Avenue like the one he saw in Paris

Trump: It was one of the most beautiful parades I have ever seen. And in fact, we should do one one day down Pennsylvania Ave.

Haberman: I wondered if you were going to say that.

Trump: I’ve always thought of that.

Haberman: Really?

Trump talks about invading Russia

Trump: Well, Napoleon finished a little bit bad. But I asked that. So I asked [President Macron], so what about Napoleon? He said: “No, no, no. What he did was incredible. He designed Paris.” [garbled] The street grid, the way they work, you know, the spokes. He did so many things even beyond. And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death. How many times has Russia been saved by the weather? [garbled]

Same thing happened to Hitler. Not for that reason, though. Hitler wanted to consolidate. He was all set to walk in. But he wanted to consolidate, and it went and dropped to 35 degrees below zero, and that was the end of that army.

But the Russians have great fighters in the cold. They use the cold to their advantage. I mean, they’ve won five wars where the armies that went against them froze to death. … It’s pretty amazing.

So, we’re having a good time. The economy is doing great.

Trump says the first lady of Japan, Akie Abe, who gave a speech in English in 2014, couldn’t even say “hello”

Trump: So, I was seated next to the wife of Prime Minister Abe [Shinzo Abe of Japan], who I think is a terrific guy, and she’s a terrific woman, but doesn’t speak English.

Haberman: Like, nothing, right? Like zero?

Trump: Like, not “hello.”

Haberman: That must make for an awkward seating.

Trump: Well, it’s hard, because you know, you’re sitting there for ——

Haberman: Hours.

Trump: So the dinner was probably an hour and 45 minutes.

Trump appears to think the FBI director reports to him

Trump: And nothing was changed other than Richard Nixon came along. And when Nixon came along [inaudible] was pretty brutal, and out of courtesy, the F.B.I. started reporting to the Department of Justice. But there was nothing official, there was nothing from Congress. There was nothing — anything. But the F.B.I. person really reports directly to the president of the United States, which is interesting. You know, which is interesting. And I think we’re going to have a great new F.B.I. director.


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Posted Yesterday, 01:20 PM

 

Trump wants to have a military parade on Pennsylvania Avenue like the one he saw in Paris

Trump: It was one of the most beautiful parades I have ever seen. And in fact, we should do one one day down Pennsylvania Ave.

Haberman: I wondered if you were going to say that.

Trump: I’ve always thought of that.

Haberman: Really?

Some more from the NYT interview.   Can he be impeached for saying such amazingly stupid things:

 

Somewhere it was reported that he wanted this as part of the inauguration parade and was told "no".

 

Maybe this is why he has a love of Putin/Saddam.  They get/got to have those cool military parades.


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Posted Yesterday, 01:39 PM

Don't forget the Kims and China.
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Posted Yesterday, 01:56 PM

Off topic, but if you're not following DPRK News on Twitter, you're doing yourself a disservice. They're hilarious.

 

The sad thing is I had to think for a while about whether it was a parody account or NK just had some hilarious government official in charge of Twitter.

 

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/888123924327747585


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