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Posted 17 December 2016 - 07:15 PM

 

I just saw Rogue One, and it is amazing.  It's not as dark a film as anticipated, but it's not light either.

 

This film actually put the War in Star Wars.

 

The original version was actually rejected by Disney for being too dark so this was actually a toned down version after Disney ordered another round of shooting/filming.  I would love to see that version actually.  By Star Wars standards this was still dark however.  I enjoyed all of the characters also.  No Jar Jar's or overplayed characters like the Ewoks in this one.      

 

 

I want to talk about this movie so badly...lol.  But I won't because I don't want to spoil it for anyone who is going to see it within the next couple of days.

 

I knew about the reshoots, although I wasn't sure the exact reason why.  And if this movie was reshot to "tone it done" then yes, I too would love to see the original cut of the film.

 

I really enjoyed the reprogrammed imperial droid.  Was like a smart a** version of C3PO. 

 

 

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 10:25 PM

Question for anyone who's seen it:

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 11:17 PM

Since we had a spoilers thread for TFA, not sure why we can't have one here.

 

@Moiraine - Yeah, pretty much a hole in the plot.  At first I was going to say that Vader knew Leia was lying so it really didn't matter what the situation was but since the ship was apparently right there for the entire battle, it doesn't really fit.  Although it appears the blockade runner got away for the time being and Vader wouldn't *HAVE* to have known Leia was on board so they could have caught the ship some days/months later and then it would fit.


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Posted 17 December 2016 - 11:27 PM

Did I miss something with the mind-reading octopus?  My guess is there was a scene that got cut that had the aftermath of it.  The "lose their mind" was kind of followed through on at first but he apparently recovered and was fine after that.  Missed any other real significance.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 12:45 AM

Since we had a spoilers thread for TFA, not sure why we can't have one here.

 

@Moiraine - Yeah, pretty much a hole in the plot.  At first I was going to say that Vader knew Leia was lying so it really didn't matter what the situation was but since the ship was apparently right there for the entire battle, it doesn't really fit.  Although it appears the blockade runner got away for the time being and Vader wouldn't *HAVE* to have known Leia was on board so they could have caught the ship some days/months later and then it would fit.

Think it was more Leia and the ship captain attempting a refuge in audacity in stating that their ship was on a diplomatic mission and Vader calling her out on that BS.  So no not a plot hole.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 11:21 AM

The Rogue One squad accomplished their mission.  Then, there's that awful moment, when you realize the entire Rogue One team died. 


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 11:31 AM

Question for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler

 

I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient. 

 

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity,"  Not sure if that's the right word or not.

 

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had. 

 

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 11:40 AM


Question for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler

 
I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient. 
 
Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity,"  Not sure if that's the right word or not.
 
And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had. 
 
So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.

That works I suppose. Although I doubt the crew didn't tell her.

Regardless it was a really good Vader scene. With his first scene I could only think of Anakin. It felt like a teenager having a (very dangerous) tantrum. With the 2nd scene he was just scary (in a good way).
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 11:43 AM

One part of Rogue One that had me going, "Say what???"  Was when the Death Star's firing opening (LOL I don't know what else to call it) , was south of the equator.

 

Every time we've seen the Death Star, the firing opening was north of its equator. 

 

I was thinking, how did it get down there?  Then they showed the Death Star rotating.  Then I thought, that doesn't make sense either because if it needs to rotate then everything will be upside down.  I mean, am I missing something here?

 

It would have made so much more sense to have the Death Star's laser be on a track where it could rotate 180 degrees and be able to fire from any angle. But, this is what you get when you make a prequel to a movie nearly 40 years afterward.  Because clearly the makers of this film had to stick with canon, which meant the original Lucas design of the Death Star from the original film.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 11:46 AM

I didn't notice that at all. Ya... having the whole death star rotate instead of the weapon seems ridiculous.

I guess now we have to think about weird gravity stuff inside. Could it be big enough to have its own gravitational pull at the center? And then it wouldn't matter if they rotate it?

(I think that's how the station in Ender's game worked. There was a path that went the entire way around the station and no matter where you were on it your feet stayed "down" on the floor.
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 11:58 AM

I didn't notice that at all. Ya... having the whole death star rotate instead of the weapon seems ridiculous.

I guess now we have to think about weird gravity stuff inside. Could it be big enough to have its own gravitational pull at the center? And then it wouldn't matter if they rotate it?

(I think that's how the station in Ender's game worked. There was a path that went the entire way around the station and no matter where you were on it your feet stayed "down" on the floor.

 

Possibly.  But then, if it has its own gravitational pull, and it is strong enough to keep things in place when it rotates, then...

 

Wouldn't it be pretty much impossible to walk around because the gravity would be so high?  Also, wouldn't everyone be upside down and "standing on the "ceiling" when it rotated?

 

You know what, I'm going to stop thinking about this, just suspend my disbelief, and enjoy the film.  :lol:  

 

PS I am going to see it again today.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 12:45 PM


I didn't notice that at all. Ya... having the whole death star rotate instead of the weapon seems ridiculous.

I guess now we have to think about weird gravity stuff inside. Could it be big enough to have its own gravitational pull at the center? And then it wouldn't matter if they rotate it?

(I think that's how the station in Ender's game worked. There was a path that went the entire way around the station and no matter where you were on it your feet stayed "down" on the floor.

 
Possibly.  But then, if it has its own gravitational pull, and it is strong enough to keep things in place when it rotates, then...
 
Wouldn't it be pretty much impossible to walk around because the gravity would be so high?  Also, wouldn't everyone be upside down and "standing on the "ceiling" when it rotated?
 
You know what, I'm going to stop thinking about this, just suspend my disbelief, and enjoy the film.  :lol:  
 
PS I am going to see it again today.

I suppose nobody could be near the center of the Death Stare. Or they'd have to make the pull kind of weak. I agree on not talking about it anymore.
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 12:51 PM

Might be too early since the new movie hasn't sunk in but rate the movies.

Here's mine:

1) Return of the Jedi
2) Empire Strikes Back
3) Force Awakens/New Hope
5) Rogue One/Revenge of the Sith
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7) Attack of the Clones
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8) Phantom Menace



I know I'm in the minority by not having Empire as my fav but I was young when I first watched the trilogy and I LOVED the Ewoks. I also had a huge crush on Luke in the skin tight black outfit and I loved the speeder bikes. The Jabba the Hut stuff was awesome. Ok I need to rewatch it again.
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:02 PM

The Rogue One squad accomplished their mission.  Then, there's that awful moment, when you realize the entire Rogue One team died. 

 

I was thinking that when they showed up at the planet with the shield all the way around.  They can get it but how will they get out?  I thought at least the two would surely find some way out.  But I guess having everyone die would be an explanation for why none of them were in Episodes 4, 5 or 6.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:03 PM

 

Question for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler

 

I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient. 

 

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity,"  Not sure if that's the right word or not.

 

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had. 

 

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.

 

What do you mean Leia wasn't there?  She was on the blockade runner that just got away from the ship Vader boarded.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:07 PM

 

I didn't notice that at all. Ya... having the whole death star rotate instead of the weapon seems ridiculous.

I guess now we have to think about weird gravity stuff inside. Could it be big enough to have its own gravitational pull at the center? And then it wouldn't matter if they rotate it?

(I think that's how the station in Ender's game worked. There was a path that went the entire way around the station and no matter where you were on it your feet stayed "down" on the floor.

 

Possibly.  But then, if it has its own gravitational pull, and it is strong enough to keep things in place when it rotates, then...

 

Wouldn't it be pretty much impossible to walk around because the gravity would be so high?  Also, wouldn't everyone be upside down and "standing on the "ceiling" when it rotated?

 

You know what, I'm going to stop thinking about this, just suspend my disbelief, and enjoy the film.  :lol:  

 

PS I am going to see it again today.

 

There are only two ways to have "gravity" in space.  Either the entire ship has to spin or it's big enough to have it's own.  Since it's never shown spinning, it must have it's own gravity.  Since it has it's own gravity, it doesn't matter which side is "up" because it seems correct wherever you are in it - just like the Southern Hemisphere on Earth.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:11 PM

Another thing - we're supposed to believe the information could be beamed up to those ships but they couldn't beam it all over the galaxy from their ship and the plans could only be taken (inside R2D2) in person to Obi Wan. Kinda silly. I guess that's why they had that HUGE satellite - to make it seem like that was a requirement for sending information in this world (aside from holograms).
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:21 PM

Another thing - we're supposed to believe the information could be beamed up to those ships but they couldn't beam it all over the galaxy from their ship and the plans could only be taken (inside R2D2) in person to Obi Wan. Kinda silly. I guess that's why they had that HUGE satellite - to make it seem like that was a requirement for sending information in this world (aside from holograms).

 

Yeah, that whole part was pretty contrived.  As far as getting it to Obi Wan, they apparently didn't know where he was exactly let alone him have the ability to receive the transmission so I wouldn't quibble with that.  But they had voice communication through the shield but not data?  Don't think so.  And they could also communicate with ships traveling at light speed so they had to have some sort of "sub-space" (to use a Star Trek term) communication as well.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:32 PM


The Rogue One squad accomplished their mission.  Then, there's that awful moment, when you realize the entire Rogue One team died. 

 
I was thinking that when they showed up at the planet with the shield all the way around.  They can get it but how will they get out?  I thought at least the two would surely find some way out.  But I guess having everyone die would be an explanation for why none of them were in Episodes 4, 5 or 6.
About halfway through the movie it dawned on me that none of them could survive for that reason. The only survivors could be whoever we saw in the next 3 episodes. So I even thought the fish general on the big rebel ship would die because we never saw him again (and I assumed the rebellion didn't have enough ships to have loads of different generals for him to just disappear without being dead).

Kinda wish there'd been 1 or 2 less characters so we could get to know the others better but I dunno who I'd get rid of. I really liked the blind guy and his friend who shot lots of people. (Can't remember their names). I guess the only one I didn't feel any connection with was the pilot.
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 06:01 PM

 

 

Question for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler

 

I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient. 

 

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity,"  Not sure if that's the right word or not.

 

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had. 

 

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.

 

What do you mean Leia wasn't there?  She was on the blockade runner that just got away from the ship Vader boarded.

 

 

No I meant she wasn't there when the actual hand-off was made as those rebel were dying.  Vader saw it and knew.  Leia had plausible deniability.

 

I mean, of course she knew, that was the reason she was there.  All in all, I really enjoyed this film, despite the plot holes.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 06:05 PM


 


 


Question for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler

 
I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient. 
 
Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity,"  Not sure if that's the right word or not.
 
And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had. 
 
So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.
 
What do you mean Leia wasn't there?  She was on the blockade runner that just got away from the ship Vader boarded.
 
 
No I meant she wasn't there when the actual hand-off was made as those rebel were dying.  Vader saw it and knew.  Leia had plausible deniability.
 
I mean, of course she knew, that was the reason she was there.  All in all, I really enjoyed this film, despite the plot holes.


Agreed with the last. I wouldn't give up the scene with Vader to make a less plot-holey one. I thought it was perfect. It felt right that it was on the same ship.
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 10:46 PM

 

 

 

Question for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler

 

I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient. 

 

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity,"  Not sure if that's the right word or not.

 

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had. 

 

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.

 

What do you mean Leia wasn't there?  She was on the blockade runner that just got away from the ship Vader boarded.

 

 

No I meant she wasn't there when the actual hand-off was made as those rebel were dying.  Vader saw it and knew.  Leia had plausible deniability.

 

I mean, of course she knew, that was the reason she was there.  All in all, I really enjoyed this film, despite the plot holes.

 

I guess she could say whatever she wants.  But considering they were apparently there for the entire battle, there wouldn't be any point in trying to pass off the "diplomatic mission" line.  It would be absurd.

 

That's why I think they had that ship get away - for now.  Vader watches them leave but goes to hunt them down.  Maybe a week or two or even a month or two go by as Leia is trying to find save passage to Alderaan but Vader finally tracks them down before they can get there with the plans.  At that point trying to pass off the "diplomatic mission" line is at least plausible.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 10:49 PM

As far as the Death Star being upside down, remember that there is no such thing in space. The easiest, completely-accurate-to-reality explanation for that is that the camera from space was looking at the death star differently than other cameras in the past, but there is no such thing as a 'top' and a 'bottom' to a sphere floating in space :P


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 10:50 PM

I guess she could say whatever she wants.  But considering they were apparently there for the entire battle, there wouldn't be any point in trying to pass off the "diplomatic mission" line.  It would be absurd.

 

 

Unless Leia saying it was more of a symbolic gesture of protest and "f#*k you, a-hole" instead of an actual attempt to pass off a lie.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 11:12 PM

I watched the first part of A New Hope today and if it had actually gone down the way it did in Rogue One, Vader would've said to Leia, "Dude. I was right there. Shut up."
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Posted 19 December 2016 - 12:16 AM

Also keep in mind y'all that the opening to A New Hope takes place in space right outside of Tattooine. So it at least wasn't immediately following the ending to Rogue One.


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 01:39 AM

Two things about this galaxy that these Star Wars events take place in...

 

1. Apparently, all the stars and their associated planets in this galaxy are the equivalent of 1-4 light hours away from each other, if that.

 

2. How are there so many planets and moons with a breathable oxygen atmosphere?  

 

And unrelated, but this is the first Star Wars film that didn't have the words floating through space setting up the movie.


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:22 AM

Also keep in mind y'all that the opening to A New Hope takes place in space right outside of Tattooine. So it at least wasn't immediately following the ending to Rogue One.



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Posted 23 December 2016 - 11:00 PM

Watched it again.

That Vader scene at the end is just so good. It was always a little bit hard for me watching IV-VI and thinking of Vader as an evil bad ass after I had watched I-III and knew the back story.

That scene in Rogue One kinda moves the needle back to how I felt about him before the prequels.


I kind of wish they had put the emperor in for one scene. At least a hologram. I always thought the best thingabout the prequels was that they had the same actor play him and thought it'd be cool to see him again.
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Posted 27 December 2016 - 12:24 PM

Carrie Fisher, Princess Leia to most of us, has died at the age of 60.  Condolences to her family and closest friends.

 

Carrie, you will be missed immensely by all Star Wars fans who loved you.  The attitude and fight you brought to the role of Princess Leia, when you could have just as easily portrayed her as a helpless damsel in distress, was beautiful to see.

 

Rest In Peace.


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 12:38 PM

Well, now we know why Luke got the call sign Red Five - the previous Red Five didn't make it out of the battle of Scarif.
 
Really enjoyed the inclusion of Grand Moff Tarkin. The CGI was a bit wonky, but it was passable.  That'll get redone in later versions of this movie and he'll look perfect.  Same with Leia at the end.  She was good, just not perfect. 
 
It's funny how they treat data in the Star Wars universe.  They're locked in to the way we understood data in the 1970s when Lucas first made Star Wars, but by today's standards that kind of data transfer is hokie and unbelievable. We'll just have to look past that as these movies move forward, I guess.
 
I believe they're going to put R2 & 3PO in every movie, so we'll see them in cameos like this from now on. Kinda like how Marvel uses Stan Lee. 
 
Really, really enjoyed super choppy slashy Darth Vader wielding the Force with extreme prejudice. Puts his character into such better perspective.  Casual anger and violence should flow out of him like curses from a sailor.
 
So many cameos to pick from, and I enjoyed almost all of them.  The Red Leader/Gold Leader shots which may very well have been cut scenes from the original filming. Dr. Evazan & Ponda Baba on Jedha, General Dodonna in the rebel council chambers, Vader, Leia & Tarkin.  Good stuff that throws us right at the doorstep of A New Hope.

 

According to a guy on Reddit, who allegedly calculated the distance between Scarif & Tatooine, A New Hope's opening scene takes place about ten hours (the travel time between planets at hyperspeed) after the closing scenes of Rogue One. 


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 02:39 PM

Well, now we know why Luke got the call sign Red Five - the previous Red Five didn't make it out of the battle of Scarif.
 
Really enjoyed the inclusion of Grand Moff Tarkin. The CGI was a bit wonky, but it was passable.  That'll get redone in later versions of this movie and he'll look perfect.  Same with Leia at the end.  She was good, just not perfect. 
 
It's funny how they treat data in the Star Wars universe.  They're locked in to the way we understood data in the 1970s when Lucas first made Star Wars, but by today's standards that kind of data transfer is hokie and unbelievable. We'll just have to look past that as these movies move forward, I guess.
 
I believe they're going to put R2 & 3PO in every movie, so we'll see them in cameos like this from now on. Kinda like how Marvel uses Stan Lee. 
 
Really, really enjoyed super choppy slashy Darth Vader wielding the Force with extreme prejudice. Puts his character into such better perspective.  Casual anger and violence should flow out of him like curses from a sailor.
 
So many cameos to pick from, and I enjoyed almost all of them.  The Red Leader/Gold Leader shots which may very well have been cut scenes from the original filming. Dr. Evazan & Ponda Baba on Jedha, General Dodonna in the rebel council chambers, Vader, Leia & Tarkin.  Good stuff that throws us right at the doorstep of A New Hope.
 
According to a guy on Reddit, who allegedly calculated the distance between Scarif & Tatooine, A New Hope's opening scene takes place about ten hours (the travel time between planets at hyperspeed) after the closing scenes of Rogue One. 



I read... and kinda forgot the details, about the pilots. They either had outtakes or the audio from cut scenes from the original.
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Posted 28 December 2016 - 02:44 PM

Those were actual unused footage from A New Hope that they found in the vaults at Skywalker Ranch


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 08:35 AM

 

Question for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler

 

I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient. 

 

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity,"  Not sure if that's the right word or not.

 

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had. 

 

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.

I was disappointed at first, too, but I ended up loving his screen time for a couple of reasons.

 

First, we never really see Vader as the merciless, mass murderer that he is in any of the films.  If you read some of the lore/books, you get a piece of just how brutal of a killing machine he is.  Otherwise, you don't really get the sense that he could kill everybody in the room in one go.  

 

Second, the lack of screen time and then that ruthless assault on the Rebels helped preserve the mythic Vader that was diminished by episodes one, two and three.  Rogue One does a pretty good job of referring to him in hushed voices and returning him to his place as a feared being.

 

All that said, I selfishly wish there had been more Vader time regardless just because he's so cool.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 08:44 AM

Two things about this galaxy that these Star Wars events take place in...

 

1. Apparently, all the stars and their associated planets in this galaxy are the equivalent of 1-4 light hours away from each other, if that.

 

2. How are there so many planets and moons with a breathable oxygen atmosphere?  

 

And unrelated, but this is the first Star Wars film that didn't have the words floating through space setting up the movie.

A couple of things - I think you can easily explain your point number two just based on averages.  There are 200 billion galaxies and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000+ planets out there.  It would also take billions of years traveling at light speed to pass the whole galaxy.  So, if you can somewhat address the speed problem (light speed) then finding those other planets probably isn't that hard.  Our own galaxy would take 100,000 light years to cross.

 

As to your last point, it took me a bit to realize this, but there was no scroll at the beginning of Rogue One because we're actually watching the scrolling text from A New Hope.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 09:47 AM

I thought that there was no scroll because this was a Star Wars Story and not a Star Wars Trilogy (Trilogy Trilogy?)


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 11:08 AM

I thought that there was no scroll because this was a Star Wars Story and not a Star Wars Trilogy (Trilogy Trilogy?)

That's probably true, but, then why did they start the film with the Lucas logo and "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."?  That's exactly the same as the other films.  :P


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 03:26 PM

 

I thought that there was no scroll because this was a Star Wars Story and not a Star Wars Trilogy (Trilogy Trilogy?)

That's probably true, but, then why did they start the film with the Lucas logo and "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."?  That's exactly the same as the other films.  :P

 

Would they start it with

 

Episode IIIB

 Rogue One


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 11:14 PM

Just got back from seeing it. Holy sh#t that was fantastic! Blew away the expectations I had when they first announced the idea for the movie.
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Posted 31 December 2016 - 09:19 AM

I realized I never gave a real review but here we go - as a "film," ignoring that it's a Star Wars film, I gave it 2.5/5 stars.

 

My biggest problem with it is that it feels overthought and violates some pretty core moviemaking rules.  The film introduces so many characters and feelings that we're supposed to care about but we get virtually no time to care or give a damn about some of them.  Just one example is Saw Gerrera, a man they want us to feel some kind of attachment to but then they kill of quickly.  One universal truth about films is if you want people to care then you have to give them time, and we barely get much of it as a general rule.

 

It's like watching a tower of legos fall to the ground - you can physically see what's happening but the details are blurred and moving too quickly.

 

The writing is also, for the most part, underwhelming.  Movies use cameras as a visual medium to show us things and this movie would just rather TELL the audience things we already know or things we can see, which is one of the biggest writing mistakes you can make in general.  You have a camera for a reason.

 

Overall, though, the movie was fun and entertaining which is why it redeems itself a little.  The Vader scene at the end is incredible, Donnie Yen's character is pretty great and it's fun to watch it all unfold.  But, as just a face-value movie, I was a little disappointed.


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Posted 15 January 2017 - 12:03 AM

Maybe I'm the minority, but I thought they did incredible with Tarkin.
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Posted 15 January 2017 - 12:18 AM

Maybe I'm the minority, but I thought they did incredible with Tarkin.

They did as well as they could.  Which is pretty impressive, but still hit the uncanny valley.  It didn't bother me as much the 2nd time I watched the movie, but I can definitely see why people have issues with it.


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Posted 15 January 2017 - 08:52 AM

They definitely did do incredible, but it was going to be impossible for them to get all the way there. Even if the tech was flawless, this movie was lit a lot differently than the original, and since none of us have much of a clue who that guy is outside of A New Hope, we equate the very specific ways his face looks in that to how he actually looks period.

 

 

I was a fan of them doing it, but I think they went a little heavy-handed on him. At least 2-3 scenes done from more of a distance, or over hologram, would have gone a long way.


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Posted 15 January 2017 - 09:13 PM

So....just saw the movie this weekend.

Am I correct that the main gist of this movie is for these people to steal the plans for the Death Star so that Luke can destroy it in the first movie?
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Posted 15 January 2017 - 09:14 PM

So....just saw the movie this weekend.

Am I correct that the main gist of this movie is for these people to steal the plans for the Death Star so that Luke can destroy it in the first movie?

 

 

 

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Posted 15 January 2017 - 10:06 PM

I can't believe you guys tried to argue about physics in a Star Wars movie.
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Posted 15 January 2017 - 10:38 PM

It's a Big Bang Theory moment.
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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:14 AM

 

Another thing - we're supposed to believe the information could be beamed up to those ships but they couldn't beam it all over the galaxy from their ship and the plans could only be taken (inside R2D2) in person to Obi Wan. Kinda silly. I guess that's why they had that HUGE satellite - to make it seem like that was a requirement for sending information in this world (aside from holograms).

 

Yeah, that whole part was pretty contrived.  As far as getting it to Obi Wan, they apparently didn't know where he was exactly let alone him have the ability to receive the transmission so I wouldn't quibble with that.  But they had voice communication through the shield but not data?  Don't think so.  And they could also communicate with ships traveling at light speed so they had to have some sort of "sub-space" (to use a Star Trek term) communication as well.

 

 

Maybe the Rebel fleet didn't transmit the plans to the rest of the galaxy so as not to let on what the flaw was to the Empire—so they couldn't correct it.  This might be the case if the only place Galen Erso documented the flaw was in the schematics kept at Eadu.  Presumably any schematics kept on the Death Star itself wouldn't let on what the flaw was. OTOH, it seems like the Death Star would have intercepted the initial transmission, so it's still a plot hole.  :dunno:


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:11 AM

Another thing - we're supposed to believe the information could be beamed up to those ships but they couldn't beam it all over the galaxy from their ship and the plans could only be taken (inside R2D2) in person to Obi Wan. Kinda silly. I guess that's why they had that HUGE satellite - to make it seem like that was a requirement for sending information in this world (aside from holograms).

 
Yeah, that whole part was pretty contrived.  As far as getting it to Obi Wan, they apparently didn't know where he was exactly let alone him have the ability to receive the transmission so I wouldn't quibble with that.  But they had voice communication through the shield but not data?  Don't think so.  And they could also communicate with ships traveling at light speed so they had to have some sort of "sub-space" (to use a Star Trek term) communication as well.
 
Maybe the Rebel fleet didn't transmit the plans to the rest of the galaxy so as not to let on what the flaw was to the Empireso they couldn't correct it.  This might be the case if the only place Galen Erso documented the flaw was in the schematics kept at Eadu.  Presumably any schematics kept on the Death Star itself wouldn't let on what the flaw was. OTOH, it seems like the Death Star would have intercepted the initial transmission, so it's still a plot hole.  :dunno:
I think they did intercept something. In episode IV don't they tell Tarkin they've analyzed the attack and found a small danger? That means they may have figured out about the weakness during the battle of Yavin, or earlier. They just thought the odds were to great for an attack to be successful.
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