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***SPOILERS*** Rogue One Plot Discussion ***SPOILERS***


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I didn't notice that at all. Ya... having the whole death star rotate instead of the weapon seems ridiculous.

 

I guess now we have to think about weird gravity stuff inside. Could it be big enough to have its own gravitational pull at the center? And then it wouldn't matter if they rotate it?

 

(I think that's how the station in Ender's game worked. There was a path that went the entire way around the station and no matter where you were on it your feet stayed "down" on the floor.

 

Possibly. But then, if it has its own gravitational pull, and it is strong enough to keep things in place when it rotates, then...

 

Wouldn't it be pretty much impossible to walk around because the gravity would be so high? Also, wouldn't everyone be upside down and "standing on the "ceiling" when it rotated?

 

You know what, I'm going to stop thinking about this, just suspend my disbelief, and enjoy the film. :lol:

 

PS I am going to see it again today.

 

There are only two ways to have "gravity" in space. Either the entire ship has to spin or it's big enough to have it's own. Since it's never shown spinning, it must have it's own gravity. Since it has it's own gravity, it doesn't matter which side is "up" because it seems correct wherever you are in it - just like the Southern Hemisphere on Earth.

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Another thing - we're supposed to believe the information could be beamed up to those ships but they couldn't beam it all over the galaxy from their ship and the plans could only be taken (inside R2D2) in person to Obi Wan. Kinda silly. I guess that's why they had that HUGE satellite - to make it seem like that was a requirement for sending information in this world (aside from holograms).

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Another thing - we're supposed to believe the information could be beamed up to those ships but they couldn't beam it all over the galaxy from their ship and the plans could only be taken (inside R2D2) in person to Obi Wan. Kinda silly. I guess that's why they had that HUGE satellite - to make it seem like that was a requirement for sending information in this world (aside from holograms).

 

Yeah, that whole part was pretty contrived. As far as getting it to Obi Wan, they apparently didn't know where he was exactly let alone him have the ability to receive the transmission so I wouldn't quibble with that. But they had voice communication through the shield but not data? Don't think so. And they could also communicate with ships traveling at light speed so they had to have some sort of "sub-space" (to use a Star Trek term) communication as well.

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The Rogue One squad accomplished their mission. Then, there's that awful moment, when you realize the entire Rogue One team died.

I was thinking that when they showed up at the planet with the shield all the way around. They can get it but how will they get out? I thought at least the two would surely find some way out. But I guess having everyone die would be an explanation for why none of them were in Episodes 4, 5 or 6.

About halfway through the movie it dawned on me that none of them could survive for that reason. The only survivors could be whoever we saw in the next 3 episodes. So I even thought the fish general on the big rebel ship would die because we never saw him again (and I assumed the rebellion didn't have enough ships to have loads of different generals for him to just disappear without being dead).

 

Kinda wish there'd been 1 or 2 less characters so we could get to know the others better but I dunno who I'd get rid of. I really liked the blind guy and his friend who shot lots of people. (Can't remember their names). I guess the only one I didn't feel any connection with was the pilot.

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Question for anyone who's seen it:

 

 

Was there any discontinuity between the end of Rogue One and the beginning of A New Hope? I mean, Leia kept telling Vader/Tarkin/the Empire she had no idea what they were talking about and she was on a peaceful diplomatic mission. Why would she even pretend that's the story when Vader was literally right there as the plans were handed over?

 

 

Now that I'm done being a nerd... loved seeing Vader being a bad ass.

 

 

I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient.

 

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity," Not sure if that's the right word or not.

 

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had.

 

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.

 

What do you mean Leia wasn't there? She was on the blockade runner that just got away from the ship Vader boarded.

 

 

No I meant she wasn't there when the actual hand-off was made as those rebel were dying. Vader saw it and knew. Leia had plausible deniability.

 

I mean, of course she knew, that was the reason she was there. All in all, I really enjoyed this film, despite the plot holes.

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Question for anyone who's seen it:

 

 

Was there any discontinuity between the end of Rogue One and the beginning of A New Hope? I mean, Leia kept telling Vader/Tarkin/the Empire she had no idea what they were talking about and she was on a peaceful diplomatic mission. Why would she even pretend that's the story when Vader was literally right there as the plans were handed over?

 

 

Now that I'm done being a nerd... loved seeing Vader being a bad ass.

 

I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient.

 

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity," Not sure if that's the right word or not.

 

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had.

 

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.

What do you mean Leia wasn't there? She was on the blockade runner that just got away from the ship Vader boarded.

No I meant she wasn't there when the actual hand-off was made as those rebel were dying. Vader saw it and knew. Leia had plausible deniability.

 

I mean, of course she knew, that was the reason she was there. All in all, I really enjoyed this film, despite the plot holes.

 

Agreed with the last. I wouldn't give up the scene with Vader to make a less plot-holey one. I thought it was perfect. It felt right that it was on the same ship.

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Question for anyone who's seen it:

 

 

Was there any discontinuity between the end of Rogue One and the beginning of A New Hope? I mean, Leia kept telling Vader/Tarkin/the Empire she had no idea what they were talking about and she was on a peaceful diplomatic mission. Why would she even pretend that's the story when Vader was literally right there as the plans were handed over?

 

 

Now that I'm done being a nerd... loved seeing Vader being a bad ass.

 

 

I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient.

 

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity," Not sure if that's the right word or not.

 

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had.

 

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.

 

What do you mean Leia wasn't there? She was on the blockade runner that just got away from the ship Vader boarded.

 

 

No I meant she wasn't there when the actual hand-off was made as those rebel were dying. Vader saw it and knew. Leia had plausible deniability.

 

I mean, of course she knew, that was the reason she was there. All in all, I really enjoyed this film, despite the plot holes.

 

I guess she could say whatever she wants. But considering they were apparently there for the entire battle, there wouldn't be any point in trying to pass off the "diplomatic mission" line. It would be absurd.

 

That's why I think they had that ship get away - for now. Vader watches them leave but goes to hunt them down. Maybe a week or two or even a month or two go by as Leia is trying to find save passage to Alderaan but Vader finally tracks them down before they can get there with the plans. At that point trying to pass off the "diplomatic mission" line is at least plausible.

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As far as the Death Star being upside down, remember that there is no such thing in space. The easiest, completely-accurate-to-reality explanation for that is that the camera from space was looking at the death star differently than other cameras in the past, but there is no such thing as a 'top' and a 'bottom' to a sphere floating in space :P

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I guess she could say whatever she wants. But considering they were apparently there for the entire battle, there wouldn't be any point in trying to pass off the "diplomatic mission" line. It would be absurd.

 

 

Unless Leia saying it was more of a symbolic gesture of protest and "f#*k you, a-hole" instead of an actual attempt to pass off a lie.

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Two things about this galaxy that these Star Wars events take place in...

 

1. Apparently, all the stars and their associated planets in this galaxy are the equivalent of 1-4 light hours away from each other, if that.

 

2. How are there so many planets and moons with a breathable oxygen atmosphere?

 

And unrelated, but this is the first Star Wars film that didn't have the words floating through space setting up the movie.

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Watched it again.

 

That Vader scene at the end is just so good. It was always a little bit hard for me watching IV-VI and thinking of Vader as an evil bad ass after I had watched I-III and knew the back story.

 

That scene in Rogue One kinda moves the needle back to how I felt about him before the prequels.

 

 

I kind of wish they had put the emperor in for one scene. At least a hologram. I always thought the best thingabout the prequels was that they had the same actor play him and thought it'd be cool to see him again.

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Carrie Fisher, Princess Leia to most of us, has died at the age of 60. Condolences to her family and closest friends.

 

Carrie, you will be missed immensely by all Star Wars fans who loved you. The attitude and fight you brought to the role of Princess Leia, when you could have just as easily portrayed her as a helpless damsel in distress, was beautiful to see.

 

Rest In Peace.

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