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Biggest problem with switching to a 3-4 is most of the DEs we've recruited in the past couple years don't fit anywhere. Too small to play DE and probably not athletic enough to play OLB. That would be King, Miller, Natter, Stille and Neal. Maybe they could bulk up enough to play DE but they'd have work to do.

 

You'd have to bulk up at least one guy to play NT. I'll say Khalil Davis for argument's sake. Then Freedom, Carlos Davis and Stoltenberg wouldn't be bad DEs. Not sure where you'd find another NT. Maybe Newell?

 

At LB we wouldn't be bad. Weber, Ferguson and Quayshon Alexander in the middle. Newby, Young and Gifford on the outside. Barry, Simmons, Jefferson and maybe Avery Roberts to fill in. Alex Davis would probably be one current DE who could move to LB.

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That was the first position I had thought of. I guess it depends on what they are asking the NT to do. Mick S is big but taller than a normal nose. He isn't as quick but I felt he performed better while getting double teamed than Davis. But the Davis twins are quicker so if there is freedom for the nose I would go with one of them

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That was the first position I had thought of. I guess it depends on what they are asking the NT to do. Mick S is big but taller than a normal nose. He isn't as quick but I felt he performed better while getting double teamed than Davis. But the Davis twins are quicker so if there is freedom for the nose I would go with one of them

I always felt like you knew a NT, when you saw one...

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I always felt like a 3-4 defense does a better job of stopping the run. It does require a big guy at nose and some OLBs that are quick, but I think it's an easier scheme to understand. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.

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I know pro's is different than College; but i've seen MANY varying sizes of DL in a 3-4 front in the NFL. JJ Watt is the best DE in 3-4 and is sub 300 lbs, yet, I've seen front's where all three guys were 320+.

I think the skill set a player has is more important than the actual size.

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Biggest problem with switching to a 3-4 is most of the DEs we've recruited in the past couple years don't fit anywhere. Too small to play DE and probably not athletic enough to play OLB. That would be King, Miller, Natter, Stille and Neal. Maybe they could bulk up enough to play DE but they'd have work to do.

 

You'd have to bulk up at least one guy to play NT. I'll say Khalil Davis for argument's sake. Then Freedom, Carlos Davis and Stoltenberg wouldn't be bad DEs. Not sure where you'd find another NT. Maybe Newell?

 

At LB we wouldn't be bad. Weber, Ferguson and Quayshon Alexander in the middle. Newby, Young and Gifford on the outside. Barry, Simmons, Jefferson and maybe Avery Roberts to fill in. Alex Davis would probably be one current DE who could move to LB.

you would think miller would be a pretty good athlete, he was only like 235 coming out of high school if i remember right

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Biggest problem with switching to a 3-4 is most of the DEs we've recruited in the past couple years don't fit anywhere. Too small to play DE and probably not athletic enough to play OLB. That would be King, Miller, Natter, Stille and Neal. Maybe they could bulk up enough to play DE but they'd have work to do.

 

You'd have to bulk up at least one guy to play NT. I'll say Khalil Davis for argument's sake. Then Freedom, Carlos Davis and Stoltenberg wouldn't be bad DEs. Not sure where you'd find another NT. Maybe Newell?

 

At LB we wouldn't be bad. Weber, Ferguson and Quayshon Alexander in the middle. Newby, Young and Gifford on the outside. Barry, Simmons, Jefferson and maybe Avery Roberts to fill in. Alex Davis would probably be one current DE who could move to LB.

you would think miller would be a pretty good athlete, he was only like 235 coming out of high school if i remember right

That's what I was thinking so I went back and watched his hudl highlights. He seems to have pretty quick feet just don't know how fast he is and if he can play in space

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Guys like miller and Jefferson could fit the slot of OLB . Our ILB's would be fine. The Davis twins could play Nose but would be perfect DE's. I could see stolt playing some nose. Watts has the frame but it would not be ideal to play a true frosh at such an important position on defense, but maybe that is why the DL recruits are so excited to come in. Open spots to fill

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D linemen for the 3-4 don't necessarily have to be big depending on your scheme. If you're running a two-gap scheme, they do have to be big to keep from being pushed out of position. A one-gap scheme that relies on quick penetration by the D line with the LBs filling the gaps that open up, you don't necessarily need 300lb+ guys, even at nose tackle. In that case, you need quick, strong guys who can get off blocks fast and make plays in the backfield.

 

It's all complementary. The fundamental philosophy of the D line is complemented by the linebackers to cover weaknesses. And that's not even including safety help if they read run.

 

I've always liked the 3-4, except for the fact that your OLBs need to be extremely good. On top of having to be superb athletes, they also have to be both skilled in coverage, pass rushing, and run fitting, but also have to have lightning quick decision making. If the OLB in a 3-4 gets out of position, it'll throw the whole scheme off.

 

That said, 3-4 meshes well with pretty much any kind of secondary coverage (I absolutely love it with press quarters) and it's the best scheme to zone blitz out of. Even with the personnel we have on hand, I could see the Davis twins being good at either nose or DE in a 3-4, especially with the fact that Carlos has shown flashes of ability to get off blocks and get into the backfield. If Kalil has the same kind of ability, we will be in good shape with them and Stoltenberg. M. Newby is almost prototypical for the OLB position in the 3-4, and Alex Davis looks like he fits the mold as well. A press zone 3 high coverage with a corner blitz off the edge and an OLB blitz from the other side could be brutal with who we have on hand. Kalu blitzes well from the corner position.

 

If we can pull one or two tall, fast OLBs from JUCO before signing day and maybe one more nose tackle with good skills to get off blocks, we will be in good shape if we do more to a 3-4.

 

Of course, since I'm biased towards mY favorite scheme, take what I say with a grain of salt.

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Here's the thing..... our coaches don't wake up one morning and say hmmmm maybe I should switch to a 3-4. They know more than we do about football (sad to say but it's true) and they know if they can make the switch are not. You don't over look the ability of your players to play the positions.

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At LB we wouldn't be bad. Weber, Ferguson and Quayshon Alexander in the middle. Newby, Young and Gifford on the outside. Barry, Simmons, Jefferson and maybe Avery Roberts to fill in. Alex Davis would probably be one current DE who could move to LB.

 

I think that Quayshon fits perfectly as a OLB in a 3-4. Pretty sure he played a OLB/DE hybrid in HS.

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At LB we wouldn't be bad. Weber, Ferguson and Quayshon Alexander in the middle. Newby, Young and Gifford on the outside. Barry, Simmons, Jefferson and maybe Avery Roberts to fill in. Alex Davis would probably be one current DE who could move to LB.

 

I think that Quayshon fits perfectly as a OLB in a 3-4. Pretty sure he played a OLB/DE hybrid in HS.

 

That could be. I had in my list that he has been working at MIKE but I'm not sure. And we could always move people around.

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At LB we wouldn't be bad. Weber, Ferguson and Quayshon Alexander in the middle. Newby, Young and Gifford on the outside. Barry, Simmons, Jefferson and maybe Avery Roberts to fill in. Alex Davis would probably be one current DE who could move to LB.

I think that Quayshon fits perfectly as a OLB in a 3-4. Pretty sure he played a OLB/DE hybrid in HS.

Ferguson also played mostly DE/Hybrid in HS.

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NT: One of the twins. Those boys are still growing, pushing 300 right now. Quickness is an underrated ability of a good nose. Still got to be strong as hell (which they are) but you add quickness to that and you become dominant. They could probably both play it.

 

DE: Freedom, Stolt, Davis Twin, Neal, King, Stille.

 

OLB: Newby, Ferguson, Alex Davis, Jefferson, Miller, Gifford, Alexander, Barry. (Guy Thomas if we hang on).

 

MLB: Weber, Roberts, Young, Simmons. I think guys like Alexander/Ferguson could play this spot also.

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I felt like this was a nice summary of the 3-4 and how to adapt it to players on hand.



"When I started out it was a two-gap defense, the defensive ends had to play two-gap and be able to rush the passer. Well that's a hard thing to do."



"We had a guy here with the Houston Oilers named Elvin Bethea," Phillips continued. "We said, ‘Wait a minute. We don't want to do that with that guy.' We started stunting the guys and moving them and let them do what they do well, playing a 3-4, but playing a different way, Phillips 3-4 if you want to call it that. I had another guy named Bruce Smith that wasn't bad at in a 3-4 You can do it with guys, if they have the abilities, then you let them go more. If they don't then you play a two-gap and just hold your ground all you can and let the linebackers make the plays. It's all about what kind of players you have and let them do what they do best."



http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/1/27/7922019/the-wade-phillips-3-4


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Why does DaiShon care enough to post about what other people think. Jesus.

 

:facepalm:

What's the problem, exactly?

 

That was my thinking. He's probably getting asked about it all the time right now, and he posted something on Twitter.

 

Also, is it not surprising that he would be bummed about going to a 3-4? A 4-3 DE is the glamour position on the front 7. They are thinking of getting all those sacks and TFL's. A 3-4 DE is more of a grunt position, and is not very glamorous. Yes, it may be a selfish tweet, but I don't see the big deal about it. I do think he would be a better fit at a 3-4 DE, especially moving to the NFL down the road.

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The staff and fans have totally lost it if they think Nebraska's problems are scheme. This is bewildering.

 

Wait, what?

 

Did you watch Banker's D over the past 2 years?

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The staff and fans have totally lost it if they think Nebraska's problems are scheme. This is bewildering.

 

You.........

 

Good lord, is that what anyone is saying? They are discussing 3-4 due to the possibility of being there. No one is saying its scheme. You really view yourself better than everyone else don't you.

 

Keep singing the same tune. It's really good for a reputation.

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I don't know if you would call it scheme or not. Two coaches could run the exact same "scheme" and one might run it with success and the other run it without success. We have seen the "without" the last few years.

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If Nebraska switches to a 3-4 defensively next season is going to be ugly. This whole thing just keeps getting crazier.

 

Desperation... makes you crazy.

 

It'll all calm down after Scott Frost gets here... but until then... more crazy.

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It will be a change but you have to remember that in today's college football you are in a nickel and dime look 90% of the time against many teams. Some of our Big Ten west opponents do a lot of old school traditional looks so we would use base against them. Bama runs a 3-4 base as well, I bet they were in it 5% of the time max against Clemson or Washington.

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3-4 is tough to run in college without a really strong D-Line to eat up blocks. Not a ton of teams run it. I believe K-State runs it (or did), Wisconsin does, but I am not sure of many others that do. If Riley/Devaney assesses we can run it, they must see something in the current line talent being better at the skills to translate to 3-4, as opposed to being up the field pass rushers. I don't see it, but Riley/Devaney have forgotten more about football than I know, so I'll defer to their judgment.

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The problems with NU defense have not been scheme and nobody (staff included) are saying that.

 

However doesn't mean a change can't be made.

 

The twins are ideal for DE's and would stay there. The NT would be a red flag and our staff can use that as a recruiting tool. We may have a recruit out there that wasn't real impressed with Banker running the new 3-4 and this said recruit is excited about the chance to come in and fill a void at NT with our new DC.

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The problems with NU defense have not been scheme and nobody (staff included) are saying that.

 

So despite the fact that Riley - and likely others in the administration - how just demonstrated that they fell that it is, in fact, significantly due to our scheme, you're still refusing to admit that.

 

Seems legit.

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The staff and fans have totally lost it if they think Nebraska's problems are scheme. This is bewildering.

 

You.........

 

Good lord, is that what anyone is saying? They are discussing 3-4 due to the possibility of being there. No one is saying its scheme. You really view yourself better than everyone else don't you.

 

Keep singing the same tune. It's really good for a reputation.

 

 

Ya, that is what I'm saying ... I'm better then everyone else ... sure. (While you agree with my comment ... that it isn't about scheme).

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Who plays the nose and other key positions in the 3-4?

 

As you start to look at this move going forward, there will be a lot of questions about who fits at certain positions? Particularly at nose tackle, defensive end and outside linebacker.

 

Riley said on Friday that sophomore Carlos Davis and junior Mick Stoltenberg are the two most likely candidates to play the nose. He also said Freedom Akinmoladun probably fits better at defensive end vs. the outside linebacker position.

 

HOL

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I was kind of afraid they'd be looking at Carlos at the nose. I think he'd do a good job but he's going to get doubled every play and limit what he can do. I think he could be more disruptive at DE.

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I was kind of afraid they'd be looking at Carlos at the nose. I think he'd do a good job but he's going to get doubled every play and limit what he can do. I think he could be more disruptive at DE.

I'm willing to wait and see what Diaco does. I tend to agree with you, but I think we'll get guys in the best position for the defense as a whole when it's all said and done. Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but I feel like this is the first top notch DC we've had since Bo (pre head coach). I'm willing to let it play out for now.

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The guys on 1620 were talking about the nose tackle position and brought up the possibility of moving some offensive linemen to the other side of the ball, and specifically Jalen Barnett. He's listed at 6'4" 310 pounds on Huskers.com. I'm thinking that weight might be 30 pounds light. Barnett's biggest problem since he got here is he's gained weight and not good weight. With his current size, Barnett would be a prototypical 3-4 nose tackle. Now, does he have the strength, and more important the quickness to play the position. I'd say he lacks the quickness, but he'd be a run stuffer and block eater for sure.

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The guys on 1620 were talking about the nose tackle position and brought up the possibility of moving some offensive linemen to the other side of the ball, and specifically Jalen Barnett. He's listed at 6'4" 310 pounds on Huskers.com. I'm thinking that weight might be 30 pounds light. Barnett's biggest problem since he got here is he's gained weight and not good weight. With his current size, Barnett would be a prototypical 3-4 nose tackle. Now, does he have the strength, and more important the quickness to play the position. I'd say he lacks the quickness, but he'd be a run stuffer and block eater for sure.

He has gained WAY too much weight. I don't know if he would work out but he would absolutely have the size.

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If Nebraska switches to a 3-4 defensively next season is going to be ugly. This whole thing just keeps getting crazier.

I know right! The world of Husker football as we know it is coming to a brutal, bloody end. :(

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I was kind of afraid they'd be looking at Carlos at the nose. I think he'd do a good job but he's going to get doubled every play and limit what he can do. I think he could be more disruptive at DE.

If Carlos makes it to NT, it will be his JOB to eat a double team every play.

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