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Donald Trump: The Religious Right's Trojan Horse

 

There's a lot in this article. One passage that caught my eye is this one. It describes the way the Justice Department was transformed under Bush (that guy we're missing all of a sudden?), something that is at risk to happen once again. If not because it is Trump's personal mission -- on some level I doubt it is -- then because it is the objective of those he trusts with power.

 

 

“The division is bringing fewer voting rights and employment cases involving systematic discrimination against African-Americans and more alleging reverse discrimination against whites and religious discrimination against Christians,” reported Charlie Savage, then with The Boston Globe (now at The Times), in 2006. Something similar can be expected under Mr. Sessions.

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So my turn to stir the pot. Has anyone bothered checking to see if any other presidents have banned immigration? FDR is a gimme, so that doesn't count.

 

Immigration really wasn't halted under FDR inasmuch as international travel was not really possible. The Bracero program basically removed the border with Mexico to increase non-immigrant laborers to replace agricultural workers lost to the war effort.

 

Off the top of my head, there was the Chinese exclusion act, I believe in the 1800s there was something to limit Southern Europeans (might just be quota system), and then a temporary halt post-9/11 but the latter was more of a travel issue. Will add links when I get back...

 

And that's answering my other post even if Knapp stole my thunder a bit ;) Hope you're feeling better.

 

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Here's some links, outright bans are absent in the modern era, few & far between before that at a Federal level. In the 1800s, a lot of states passed immigration but those were eliminated by the Supreme Court as a Federal responsibility.

 

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws

https://www.uscis.gov/history-and-genealogy/our-history/agency-history/early-american-immigration-policies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States

http://cis.org/ImmigrationHistoryOverview

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-aliens-subject-united-nations

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/04/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer

 

To be honest, I dont think bans work. There have been cases of homegrown terrorists already, they dont have to be imported. One of the dangers of living in a free society.

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So my turn to stir the pot. Has anyone bothered checking to see if any other presidents have banned immigration? FDR is a gimme, so that doesn't count.

 

Immigration really wasn't halted under FDR inasmuch as international travel was not really possible. The Bracero program basically removed the border with Mexico to increase non-immigrant laborers to replace agricultural workers lost to the war effort.

 

Off the top of my head, there was the Chinese exclusion act, I believe in the 1800s there was something to limit Southern Europeans (might just be quota system), and then a temporary halt post-9/11 but the latter was more of a travel issue. Will add links when I get back...

 

And that's answering my other post even if Knapp stole my thunder a bit ;) Hope you're feeling better.

 

EDIT:

Here's some links, outright bans are absent in the modern era, few & far between before that at a Federal level. In the 1800s, a lot of states passed immigration but those were eliminated by the Supreme Court as a Federal responsibility.

 

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws

https://www.uscis.gov/history-and-genealogy/our-history/agency-history/early-american-immigration-policies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States

http://cis.org/ImmigrationHistoryOverview

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-aliens-subject-united-nations

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/04/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer

 

To be honest, I dont think bans work. There have been cases of homegrown terrorists already, they dont have to be imported. One of the dangers of living in a free society.

 

 

Those are not outright immigration bans by the POTUS.

 

One is an order supporting UN travel ban and sanctions. The other two are excluding individuals who committed specific intolerable acts.

 

None of these are the POTUS banning immigration, definitely not arbitrarily banning ALL immigration from specific country.

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Donald Trump: The Religious Right's Trojan Horse

 

There's a lot in this article. One passage that caught my eye is this one. It describes the way the Justice Department was transformed under Bush (that guy we're missing all of a sudden?), something that is at risk to happen once again. If not because it is Trump's personal mission -- on some level I doubt it is -- then because it is the objective of those he trusts with power.

 

 

“The division is bringing fewer voting rights and employment cases involving systematic discrimination against African-Americans and more alleging reverse discrimination against whites and religious discrimination against Christians,” reported Charlie Savage, then with The Boston Globe (now at The Times), in 2006. Something similar can be expected under Mr. Sessions.

 

I never bought into Trump being a christian. Especially after he said "two Corinthians" speaking at a christian university .

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So my turn to stir the pot. Has anyone bothered checking to see if any other presidents have banned immigration? FDR is a gimme, so that doesn't count.

 

Immigration really wasn't halted under FDR inasmuch as international travel was not really possible. The Bracero program basically removed the border with Mexico to increase non-immigrant laborers to replace agricultural workers lost to the war effort.

 

Off the top of my head, there was the Chinese exclusion act, I believe in the 1800s there was something to limit Southern Europeans (might just be quota system), and then a temporary halt post-9/11 but the latter was more of a travel issue. Will add links when I get back...

 

And that's answering my other post even if Knapp stole my thunder a bit ;) Hope you're feeling better.

 

EDIT:

Here's some links, outright bans are absent in the modern era, few & far between before that at a Federal level. In the 1800s, a lot of states passed immigration but those were eliminated by the Supreme Court as a Federal responsibility.

 

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws

https://www.uscis.gov/history-and-genealogy/our-history/agency-history/early-american-immigration-policies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States

http://cis.org/ImmigrationHistoryOverview

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-aliens-subject-united-nations

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/04/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer

 

To be honest, I dont think bans work. There have been cases of homegrown terrorists already, they dont have to be imported. One of the dangers of living in a free society.

 

 

Those are not outright immigration bans by the POTUS.

 

One is an order supporting UN travel ban and sanctions. The other two are excluding individuals who committed specific intolerable acts.

 

None of these are the POTUS banning immigration, definitely not arbitrarily banning ALL immigration from specific country.

 

I don't want to get into an argument over semantics, but they were still officially trying to keep people from entering the country.

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So my turn to stir the pot. Has anyone bothered checking to see if any other presidents have banned immigration? FDR is a gimme, so that doesn't count.

 

Immigration really wasn't halted under FDR inasmuch as international travel was not really possible. The Bracero program basically removed the border with Mexico to increase non-immigrant laborers to replace agricultural workers lost to the war effort.

 

Off the top of my head, there was the Chinese exclusion act, I believe in the 1800s there was something to limit Southern Europeans (might just be quota system), and then a temporary halt post-9/11 but the latter was more of a travel issue. Will add links when I get back...

 

And that's answering my other post even if Knapp stole my thunder a bit ;) Hope you're feeling better.

 

EDIT:

Here's some links, outright bans are absent in the modern era, few & far between before that at a Federal level. In the 1800s, a lot of states passed immigration but those were eliminated by the Supreme Court as a Federal responsibility.

 

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws

https://www.uscis.gov/history-and-genealogy/our-history/agency-history/early-american-immigration-policies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States

http://cis.org/ImmigrationHistoryOverview

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-aliens-subject-united-nations

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/04/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer

 

To be honest, I dont think bans work. There have been cases of homegrown terrorists already, they dont have to be imported. One of the dangers of living in a free society.

 

 

Those are not outright immigration bans by the POTUS.

 

One is an order supporting UN travel ban and sanctions. The other two are excluding individuals who committed specific intolerable acts.

 

None of these are the POTUS banning immigration, definitely not arbitrarily banning ALL immigration from specific country.

 

I don't want to get into an argument over semantics, but they were still officially trying to keep people from entering the country.

 

 

So having specific requirements an individual needs to meet to immigrate to this country is functionally equivalent to banning say ALL immigration into this country? I am not trying to be difficult, I just do not see how that is semantics...

 

Managing immigration is way different than banning it. It is the difference between say having felony convictions or never being arrested... I appreciate your thoughts.

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So my turn to stir the pot. Has anyone bothered checking to see if any other presidents have banned immigration? FDR is a gimme, so that doesn't count.

 

Immigration really wasn't halted under FDR inasmuch as international travel was not really possible. The Bracero program basically removed the border with Mexico to increase non-immigrant laborers to replace agricultural workers lost to the war effort.

 

Off the top of my head, there was the Chinese exclusion act, I believe in the 1800s there was something to limit Southern Europeans (might just be quota system), and then a temporary halt post-9/11 but the latter was more of a travel issue. Will add links when I get back...

 

And that's answering my other post even if Knapp stole my thunder a bit ;) Hope you're feeling better.

 

EDIT:

Here's some links, outright bans are absent in the modern era, few & far between before that at a Federal level. In the 1800s, a lot of states passed immigration but those were eliminated by the Supreme Court as a Federal responsibility.

 

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws

https://www.uscis.gov/history-and-genealogy/our-history/agency-history/early-american-immigration-policies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States

http://cis.org/ImmigrationHistoryOverview

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-aliens-subject-united-nations

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/04/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer

 

To be honest, I dont think bans work. There have been cases of homegrown terrorists already, they dont have to be imported. One of the dangers of living in a free society.

 

 

Those are not outright immigration bans by the POTUS.

 

One is an order supporting UN travel ban and sanctions. The other two are excluding individuals who committed specific intolerable acts.

 

None of these are the POTUS banning immigration, definitely not arbitrarily banning ALL immigration from specific country.

 

I don't want to get into an argument over semantics, but they were still officially trying to keep people from entering the country.

 

 

So having specific requirements an individual needs to meet to immigrate to this country is functionally equivalent to banning say ALL immigration into this country? I am not trying to be difficult, I just do not see how that is semantics...

 

Managing immigration is way different than banning it. It is the difference between say having felony convictions or never being arrested... I appreciate your thoughts.

 

 

My point was that we have had immigration restrictions before. A ban is still a ban ,even if its only for say, men of a certain age, etc .etc.

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Donald Trump: The Religious Right's Trojan Horse

 

There's a lot in this article. One passage that caught my eye is this one. It describes the way the Justice Department was transformed under Bush (that guy we're missing all of a sudden?), something that is at risk to happen once again. If not because it is Trump's personal mission -- on some level I doubt it is -- then because it is the objective of those he trusts with power.

 

 

“The division is bringing fewer voting rights and employment cases involving systematic discrimination against African-Americans and more alleging reverse discrimination against whites and religious discrimination against Christians,” reported Charlie Savage, then with The Boston Globe (now at The Times), in 2006. Something similar can be expected under Mr. Sessions.

 

 

 

Kander is a good egg. I hope he stays active in politics. We could use more like him in the system.

 

I fully expect Sessions to avoid voting rights cases and veer the other direction the behest of his new boss.

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Are the Syrians coming to America even immigrants? Or are they refugees? Because there's a distinction, and that would throw a wrench into the (weird) claim more Muslims immigrated to America than Christians.I'd also, still, like to know why we're drawing a distinction between religions.

Sorry, I just noticed this question went unanswered.

I wasn't the one drawing the religion distinction. That was text I copied and pasted from the linked source. I don't know why the US government started making religious affiliation data available in 2002. Maybe we should ask NoCo, he's up to date on federal regulations and such. (Sorry, still being snarky) As for me, I've never understood why, in a country where these protected status things aren't supposed to matter, those are always the first questions on virtually any federal form. And it's been that way for a long, long time. If it doesn't matter, why ask?

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As for me, I've never understood why, in a country where these protected status things aren't supposed to matter, those are always the first questions on virtually any federal form. And it's been that way for a long, long time. If it doesn't matter, why ask?

I have to say, I don't know why a lot of things are on a lot of forms.

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