The Republican Utopia

[funhusker]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

I have. I’ve posted multiple links from a variety of sources. Then I explained how I reached that conclusion.

 

Sinclair, even post-merger, will only even be available to 72% of Americans. But how many of them actual watch the news programs they offer? How many Americans get their news from the liberal left on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, BBC, NPR, CNN, etc.? Or from similarly left-wing publications?

 

 

So you're not saying 90% of the media is liberal, you're saying 90% of the media people actually "consume" is liberal.

 

Got it...

Edited April 15, 2018 by funhusker

[Ric Flair]

Just now, funhusker said:

So you're not saying 90% of the media is liberal, you're saying 90% of the media people actually "consume" is liberal.

 

Gotcha.

 

They’re actually two separate arguments with sime overlap. First, what percentage of news people are liberals? Second, what is the relative scope of their reach?

 

If I show that David Muir at ABC News is a liberal and you counter by showing that Ms. Maude, who writes an advice column for a local newspaper in some small town in Indiana, is a conservative then the comparison isn’t really apples to apples.

[commando]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

 

I have. I’ve posted multiple links from a variety of sources. Then I explained how I reached that conclusion.

 

Sinclair, even post-merger, will only even be available to 72% of Americans. But how many of them actual watch the news programs they offer? How many Americans get their news from the liberal left on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, BBC, NPR, CNN, etc.? Or from similarly left-wing publications?

 

 

sinclair owns many abc, cbs, nbc, and fox local news stations.   and damn....how far hard right do you have to be to consider NPR left wing?  they are as close to the middle as any news outlet there is IMO.  left of  info wars, FOX and brietbart for sure...but who isn't?

Edited April 15, 2018 by commando

[funhusker]

7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

They’re actually two separate arguments with sime overlap. First, what percentage of news people are liberals? Second, what is the relative scope of their reach?

 

If I show that David Muir at ABC News is a liberal and you counter by showing that Ms. Maude, who writes an advice column for a local newspaper in some small town in Indiana, is a conservative then the comparison isn’t really apples to apples.

I know they are two separate arguments, I'm just not sure which one you're trying to make.

[RedDenver]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

 

I have. I’ve posted multiple links from a variety of sources. Then I explained how I reached that conclusion.

 

Sinclair, even post-merger, will only even be available to 72% of Americans. But how many of them actual watch the news programs they offer? How many Americans get their news from the liberal left on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, BBC, NPR, CNN, etc.? Or from similarly left-wing publications?

 

 

I guess if you think all those sources are left-wing, then I see how you reach that conclusion. MSNBC is center-left, and ABC, CBS, and NBC may have slightly left of center coverage on average. But CNN is more incompetent and/or corporate than left or right. And BBC and especially NPR are center and/or slightly right of center. I wouldn't call any of those left-wing. Left-wing would be Salon or TYT.

[Danny Bateman]

Ric, what are the actual implications of the political leanings of journalists? Are we to assume their personal politics are influencing the work they do as journalists? Certainly some outlets publish material with a particular slant. But to argue the likes of major broadcast networks, the BBC or NPR fall into that trap strikes me as borderline absurd. Aside from the NPR CEO who complained they're too liberal.

 

I think it's reasonable to suggest these people are professionals who take their jobs seriously and thus don't let it overtly affect their work. The reason the Sinclair thing creeps people out is because it's a top down directive from management. It's a cultural environment which demands a specific agenda, but they're not upfront about it like MSNBC or Fox News where you know what you're getting.. That's much more of a threat that the politics of individual journos.

 

If you haven't seen this video already, watch it. It's the one from the Deadpan article above.

 

 

[Ric Flair]

13 hours ago, RedDenver said:

I guess if you think all those sources are left-wing, then I see how you reach that conclusion. MSNBC is center-left, and ABC, CBS, and NBC may have slightly left of center coverage on average. But CNN is more incompetent and/or corporate than left or right. And BBC and especially NPR are center and/or slightly right of center. I wouldn't call any of those left-wing. Left-wing would be Salon or TYT.

 

Those are all predominately or even overwhelmingly liberal. If you think MSNBC is center-left, then we’re going to have trouble finding common ground on this issue. 

[Ric Flair]

12 hours ago, Clifford Franklin said:

Ric, what are the actual implications of the political leanings of journalists? Are we to assume their personal politics are influencing the work they do as journalists? Certainly some outlets publish material with a particular slant. But to argue the likes of major broadcast networks, the BBC or NPR fall into that trap strikes me as borderline absurd. Aside from the NPR CEO who complained they're too liberal.

 

I think it's reasonable to suggest these people are professionals who take their jobs seriously and thus don't let it overtly affect their work. The reason the Sinclair thing creeps people out is because it's a top down directive from management. It's a cultural environment which demands a specific agenda, but they're not upfront about it like MSNBC or Fox News where you know what you're getting.. That's much more of a threat that the politics of individual journos.

 

If you haven't seen this video already, watch it. It's the one from the Deadpan article above.

 

 

 

The implications are enormous. There are multiple times more stories happening each day than can be covered. So decisions have to be made about what to cover. Those are based on what you think is important, a matter of public concern, will drive ratings, etc. Then you have to decide how to cover those stories. That’s similarly driven by what you perceive to be the public interest, what will drive ratings, etc.

 

The newsrooms of most news shows (other than Fox) are overwhelmingly liberal. The reporters, editors, news staffs, etc. are far more likely to be liberal and to vote for and support Democrats. 

 

That has a huge influence on what they see as news and how they choose to cover it and present those stories.

[RedDenver]

Just now, Ric Flair said:

 

Those are all predominately or even overwhelmingly liberal. If you think MSNBC is center-left, then we’re going to have trouble finding common ground on this issue. 

No, they're not. As an example, remember that Bernie Sanders got 40% of the delegates and 43% of the  votes (for those states which had a votes as opposed to caucuses), and the "liberal" media you've listed certainly wasn't on his side. So there's a lot more politics and issues to the left of all those media you've listed.

 

MSNBC aligns closely with the pro-corporate, establishment Democratic party, which is itself center-left (and some would even say center-right). Continuing the previous example, the coverage MSNBC gave Sanders was far less favorable than the coverage they gave Clinton.

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

No, they're not. As an example, remember that Bernie Sanders got 40% of the delegates and 43% of the  votes (for those states which had a votes as opposed to caucuses), and the "liberal" media you've listed certainly wasn't on his side. So there's a lot more politics and issues to the left of all those media you've listed.

 

MSNBC aligns closely with the pro-corporate, establishment Democratic party, which is itself center-left (and some would even say center-right). Continuing the previous example, the coverage MSNBC gave Sanders was far less favorable than the coverage they gave Clinton.

 

Clinton is a pretty liberal Democrat. Sanders is a nutjob socialist. Aligning more with Clinton than our own version of Hugo Chavez doesn’t make a network center-left. Your sense of where people fit on the political spectrum is really warped. 

 

And the notion that MSNBC is or could be center-right is completely nuts.

[Nebfanatic]

20 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

Clinton is a pretty liberal Democrat. Sanders is a nutjob socialist. Aligning more with Clinton than our own version of Hugo Chavez doesn’t make a network center-left. Your sense of where people fit on the political spectrum is really warped. 

 

And the notion that MSNBC is or could be center-right is completely nuts.

Wrong. Your sense of where people fit on the politcal spectrum is really warped actually. Bernie is dead center 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

19 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Wrong. Your sense of where people fit on the politcal spectrum is really warped actually. Bernie is dead center 

 

 

 

It’s been awhile since I saw anything so completely ridiculous posted online. Yeah, Bernie Sanders is the reasonable moderate in the room. Right...

 

[Nebfanatic]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

It’s been awhile since I saw anything so completely ridiculous posted online. Yeah, Bernie Sanders is the reasonable moderate in the room. Right...

 

Or you just have a ridiculous idea of where the center really is

[commando]

where is trump on that map?  so far right he is off of it?

 

edit to add.....damn...all the candidates leaned to the right.  shows how strong liberalism is in america.   

Edited April 15, 2018 by commando

[Nebfanatic]

8 minutes ago, commando said:

where is trump on that map?  so far right he is off of it?

 

edit to add.....damn...all the candidates leaned to the right.  shows how strong liberalism is in america.   

I think you would be right  I think he wasn't considered at this point in the race when this was made. 

 

The fact is America is a conservative country, even when Democrats have held power.