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Big Red 40    66
8 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

Welcome to P&R my friend! Honestly, from the content of your post, I think all of us will be very glad to have you.

 

 

 

 

A few reasons for this, I think. First is that the internet is a more/disproportionately liberal sample size, in general. Second, there used to be a lot more classic conservative voices in here, but truth be told, they either got exhausted, warned to stay away, or convinced that this subforum is a liberal echo chamber because they couldn't engage on a factual foundation (mostly) void of strawmen and logical fallacies. We all still get a lot wrong and have good conversations, but you'll get hounded in P&R if you don't bring data and reliable sources to go with your claims.

 

 

 

 

Regarding this bit specifically, quite a bit has changed. Funnily enough, the abortion rate is at it's lowest since Roe V Wade, and has fallen at a very consistent pace regardless of Republican or Democrat presidencies and control of government:

 

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You sound like a reasonable centrist to me, imo. In today's climate of unequal polarization I guess you'd be considered liberal, but you don't seem that way to me.

 

 I guess i meant more the overall legality of abortion. Many people (conservatives) vote for political candidates based largely on an anti abortion stance. They want it outlawed, and they think that if they vote for the "right" candidate a magic wand can be waved and end it all together. I cant recall anyone making a serious push to ban abortion for quite some time regardless of political party though?

 

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BigRedBuster    7,988
19 minutes ago, Big Red 40 said:

 I guess i meant more the overall legality of abortion. Many people (conservatives) vote for political candidates based largely on an anti abortion stance. They want it outlawed, and they think that if they vote for the "right" candidate a magic wand can be waved and end it all together. I cant recall anyone making a serious push to ban abortion for quite some time regardless of political party though?

 

That's because neither party want anything to change.  Abortion solidifies both bases and nothing actually needs to get done.


I'm personally against abortion.  However, my view has changed over time to realize, this isn't a governmental issue.  It's a societal issue.  If people want abortion rates to drop more, they need to do what is needed in society so women don't feel the need to get one.  To some people, that's abstinence.  To others, that's adoption.  For yet others that's realizing they have support systems so they can have the baby and support it themselves.


We will never get rid of abortion 100% even if we make it illegal.  So, why not concentrate on caring about the people involved in the issue instead of demonizing them?

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zoogs    6,364

I disagree that neither party wants anything to change in this area.

 

They want things to change dramatically, and in very different directions.

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zoogs    6,364

Good deal, moderate centrist reasonable Senator Susan Collins. Way to vote for that tax bill.

 

I'm looking forward to when Trump finally falls from his present, inexplicable grace, and all the #NeverTrumper conservatives rally en masse around Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, and the same brutal agenda. 

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knapplc    19,278

 

Roy Moore and those Alabamanians voting for him are setting a strong, and dangerous, legal precedent.

 

 

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Alabama Forced To Release Thousands Of Sex Offenders After Inmates Deny Charges

 

MONTGOMERY, AL—Saying that the state had no choice but to take them at their word, Alabama officials on Tuesday announced that thousands of sex offenders would be released after the inmates firmly denied the charges. “If they said they didn’t do it, then what choice do we have but to let them go?” said Alabama Department of Corrections administrator Clay Buxton, adding that penitentiaries statewide would be interviewing prisoners and releasing them immediately upon receiving their sworn declaration of innocence. “We sometimes ask these individuals not just once but multiple times if they’re guilty of sex crimes, and when they say no, often very emphatically, our hands are pretty much tied.” Buxton emphasized, however, that any inmates who admitted that they did commit a sex crime will remain behind bars and continue to carry out their sentences as originally handed down.

 

 

 

Spoiler

It's only The Onion!

 

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commando    1,615
21 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Roy Moore and those Alabamanians voting for him are setting a strong, and dangerous, legal precedent.

 

 

 

 

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It's only The Onion!

 

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zoogs    6,364

How about you keep your public $100 donation and vote NO on the tax bill instead, Senator Flake?

 

Or perhaps we have very different definitions of "Country over Party".

 

*Not that his open endorsement of Doug Jones for AL Senate isn't both commendable and extraordinary. 

 

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NM11046    2,035
15 hours ago, Big Red 40 said:

Glad to find this section of the board, and very surprised by the liberal opinions in the few pages i read. i assumed since we live in a predominately red state, there would be much more of the  libtard, snowflake crap i see on other social media. I'm a middle class , Union, tradesman and I've worked in the same factory for 23 years. I believe in strengthening worker rights, and unions. I like my guns, but think something needs to be done about mass shootings. Immigrants are welcome but do it legally, and follow all the same laws/rules I have to. Abortion is not my business, and i'm realistic enough to know nothing has really changed on that front for many years, and likely won't . I'm for strengthening social programs like social security, medicare, and Medicaid, as i will probably need them some day. I lean towards universal health care, because the market based, for profit, approach has failed and i see no other way to fix that. I support our military and respect all who serve,  but i wish for less wars and killing on all sides. It destroys lives , costs ridiculous amounts of money, and gains us nothing IMO  Capitalism is great, but left unregulated, it eventually leads to the oligarchy, and corporate rule were seeing today. Based on those opinions i'm sure you can figure out which way i lean. lol I'm happy to debate any well though out opinions , and will usually be able to defend my own respectfully. 

Welcome indeed!

 

I'm psyched when anybody thinks through positions based on experience and knowledge and not party lines - you'll enjoy the discussion and challenges here BR40.  Happy to have you here.

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Fru    868
12 minutes ago, zoogs said:

How about you keep your public $100 donation and vote NO on the tax bill instead, Senator Flake?

 

Or perhaps we have very different definitions of "Country over Party".

 

*Not that his open endorsement of Doug Jones for AL Senate isn't both commendable and extraordinary. 

 

 

Not voting for a pedophile is apparently a heroic act these days. Way to lower the bar, GOP. 

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TGHusker    1,330
19 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I would love to be discussing the merits of tax cuts. 

 

But......this is just disgusting. 

 

 

This is pathetic -     Ann Coulter wrote a book some time go calling  Democrats 'Godless'.    Well, Repubs it appears,  like to take on the form of godliness but denying the power of it.

This party is sounding more and more like how the apostle Paul described false teachers (think our politicians) and others in the 'last days':

2 Timothy 3
New International Version

1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

 

Edited by TGHusker

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dudeguyy    3,472
40 minutes ago, zoogs said:

How about you keep your public $100 donation and vote NO on the tax bill instead, Senator Flake?

 

Or perhaps we have very different definitions of "Country over Party".

 

*Not that his open endorsement of Doug Jones for AL Senate isn't both commendable and extraordinary. 

 

 

At the same time, I don't expect Jeff Flake to vote against what I deem atrocious conservative policy. I earnestly do wish he'd vote no on this tax deal and stand by his scruples about the deficit. A handshake deal from Donald Trump isn't exactly a rock-solid commitment. Likewise, I wish he'd vote no on some of these completely unqualified ideologue jurists Trump is trying to pack the courts with. I wish he'd see things differently and not try to set healthcare backwards or slash vital assistance programs for the poor.

 

But I just don't think that's very realistic. So I suppose we should bide our time and do everything possible to flip his vacated seat next year.

 

Maybe I'm a sucker, but it feels like picking our fights and taking small wins where we can get them. He's the only of his Republican Senate colleagues to actually say "You can't vote for this guy, go vote for Doug Jones." Let alone cutting him a check.

 

For all my reservations about Flake, I'd like to shake his hand and say think you for displaying some degree of moral fiber. Sadly, it's not something very many of his colleagues can offer at the moment.

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zoogs    6,364

Roy Moore says Soros will go to hell, and it's because Soros is Jewish. 

 

The other half of that story is that it's a Breitbart-fueled conspiracy theory.

 

Roy Moore is honestly one of the more disgusting, disreputable human beings imaginable. He's about to become a Senator because we suck.

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TGHusker    1,330
18 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Soros might be....but he might want to talk to ivanka. 

 

 

Pretty damming video and discussion.   I agree with Romney - Ray Moore would be a stain on the Republicans if voted to the Senate.  Again, repubs are selling their soul to get a republican vote in the senate.

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BigRedBuster    7,988
23 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Pretty damming video and discussion.   I agree with Romney - Ray Moore would be a stain on the Republicans if voted to the Senate.  Again, repubs are selling their soul to get a republican vote in the senate.

So....let's just back up a minute and look at this from 10,000 feet above.

 

Republicans rant on and on about how the Democrats don't stand with Israel and how Democrats don't understand and do what is necessary to protect these jewish people.

 

Meanwhile, the Republicans are going to vote into the Senate someone who OPENLY has said that jews are going to hell.

 

It is absolutely mind blowing.

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TGHusker    1,330

Yes BRB, I use to think Orwellian double speak was a craft that was perfected by the Democrats.  However, I think the repubs have outdone the dems in this black art.  How many pretzels can the republicans make out of one issue - very many it appears --  as they twist themselves with convoluted and  incoherent reasons for backing Moore.  These pretzels will shatter in 2018 elections. 

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commando    1,615

turned on rush for a minute...he was screaming about the only collusion going on was between the FBI and the intelligence agencies as a partisan attempt to get rid of trump.  and when i say screaming....i mean he was actually screaming into the mic.   he has gone full mad dog crazy to defend his boy donnie.

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BigRedBuster    7,988
3 minutes ago, commando said:

turned on rush for a minute...he was screaming about the only collusion going on was between the FBI and the intelligence agencies as a partisan attempt to get rid of trump.  and when i say screaming....i mean he was actually screaming into the mic.   he has gone full mad dog crazy to defend his boy donnie.

Maybe he just realized if he yells loud enough he can finally hear his own voice again.

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dudeguyy    3,472

Unsurprisingly, Paul Ryan wants to begin his taking a hammer to Medicare in order to try to trim the national debt, to which he and his colleagues are planning to add around $1.5T or so shortly.

Surprisingly, he's announcing it out loud. And he thinks Trump is coming along.

 

I hope those donor bucks were worth it. If this is actually the road we're going down, 2018 will be an absolute bloodbath.

 

 

 

 

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zoogs    6,364

Ben Sasse knows how to plaster a pretty image on rote Republican orthodoxy. This is a hell of a thing for him to say in response to Jeff Flake's measly, symbolic donation towards Doug Jones' Senate campaign in Alabama:

 

Import to note also that he is throwing around a charged political term, not a medical one: https://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/5168163/partial-birth-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin

 

Some of the first responses to this tweet point out that the term is a fiction, and I think that's probably a reasonable characterization. Which makes Sasse's point disingenuous at best....and as for any bit of his anti-Moore performance before or since, this should make it clear where his heart is.

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zoogs    6,364

Steve King in march:

 

 

Steve King today:

 

 

 

Wow, he's consistent!

 

Steve King is a Republican congressman serving as one of the 435 members of the U.S. House of Representatives.

 

He's gotten here because of, not in spite of, the sentiments expressed above. And that says a lot more about us than it does about him. At least it says a lot about Iowa. Good job, Iowa's 4th. Way to go.
 

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dudeguyy    3,472

This is the most petty, pathetic thing I've read in a long time. And given today's political climate, that is really saying something.

 

Although, this is also says something about Ronna Romney McDaniel, who is Mitt's niece.

 

 

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dudeguyy    3,472

Boy, it sure would be sweet if Doug Jones found a way to pull out Alabama on Tuesday. I'm not counting on it, but you never know.

 

If he does, I can always look back on this egregious load of crap and smile about the time Donald Trump tried desperately to get the people of Alabama to put a pedophile and hateful, wrongheaded bigot in the Senate... and failed.

 

 

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