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Will there be a War with N. Korea?  

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  • 3 weeks later...

14 minutes ago, schriznoeder said:

 

 

That video is ranked very highly on my list of dumbest things ever associated with the U.S. presidency.  It really speaks to his absurdly naive foreign policy.

 

Honestly at times it sounds a bit like a bunch of fortune cookie nothings strung together. At the times you can definitely tell when Trumpisms were inserted.

 

But hey, it might be the only thing that's ever brought together Sylvester Stallone, a random two-hand slam, pineapples and waterslides. So there's that.

 

 

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  • 3 months later...

Why am I not surprised.   Trump's 'Deal' was never a deal because the two parties were talking past each other and each primarily wanted a 'photo op'.

 

So we are technically not any closer to Korean peace than where we were before.  We might be closer to war depending on how erratic :ahhhhhhhh Trump responds.

 

Yesterday - Trump announced we beat ISIS and will be withdrawing our troops.  Sounds a bit like "Mission Accomplished".  Trump wants to claim victories where ever he

can to boast his ego and his poll #s and to deflect the damage of his scandals.   It takes work to see something through the end.  Trump's quick deal wt NK will ring hollow

when the next president has to deal with a still rebellious dictator in NK.  The same is true in Syria.  He will make the same mistake that he accused Obama of  - withdrawing

troops too quickly wt a time line and allowing ISIS to rebuild. Mission UNaccoumplished.

 

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-12-20/nkorea-says-it-wont-denuclearize-unless-us-removes-threat
 

 

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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States first removes what Pyongyang called a nuclear threat. The surprisingly blunt statement jars with Seoul's rosier presentation of the North Korean position and could rattle the fragile trilateral diplomacy to defuse a nuclear crisis that last year had many fearing war.

The latest from North Korea comes as the United States and North Korea struggle over the sequencing of the denuclearization that Washington wants and the removal of international sanctions desired by Pyongyang. The statement carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency also raises credibility problems for the liberal South Korean government, which has continuously claimed that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is genuinely interested in negotiating away his nuclear weapons as Seoul tries to sustain a positive atmosphere for dialogue.

The North's comments may also be seen as proof of what outside skeptics have long said: that Kim will never voluntarily relinquish an arsenal he sees as a stronger guarantee of survival than whatever security assurances the United States might provide. The statement suggests North Korea will eventually demand the United States withdraw or significantly reduce the 28,500 American troops stationed in South Korea, a major sticking point in any disarmament deal.

Kim and President Donald Trump met June 12 in Singapore where they agreed on a vague goal for the "complete denuclearization" of the Korean Peninsula without describing when and how it would occur. The leaders are trying to arrange another meeting for early next year.

But North Korea for decades has been pushing a concept of denuclearization that bears no resemblance to the American definition, with Pyongyang vowing to pursue nuclear development until the United States removes its troops and the nuclear umbrella defending South Korea and Japan. In Thursday's statement, the North made clear it's sticking to its traditional stance on denuclearization. It accused Washington of twisting what had been agreed on in Singapore and driving post-summit talks into an impasse.

"The United States must now recognize the accurate meaning of the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, and especially, must study geography," the statement said.

"When we talk about the Korean Peninsula, it includes the territory of our republic and also the entire region of (South Korea) where the United States has placed its invasive force, including nuclear weapons. When we talk about the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, it means the removal of all sources of nuclear threat, not only from the South and North but also from areas neighboring the Korean Peninsula," the statement said.

 

 

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Since Trump supposedly walked away from the table wt NK because he didn't get what he wanted, how soon will his supporters start comparing him favorably and falsely   to Ronald Reagan when Reagan walked away from a 'peace deal' with Gorby at Reykjavik?   As you may recall, Gorby was putting every carrot on the table for Reagan to accept a 'deal'. But that deal also included Reagan giving up SDI.  Gorby knew his country could not compete wt the USA on a SDI program - they had neither the expertise or the economics to make it happen - they could not  continue competing wt us.   Reagan said no.  He knew the threat of developing SDI was a game changer even if it was decades down the road for its completion.  The press and many in DC were up in arms that Reagan didn't bite on the carrots.  But in the end, he was proven correct. 

So I can see Sarah Sanders doing a press briefing in which she says something like "You know Ronald Reagan walked away from the table once and it turned out ok.  Trump is just following that same example.  If Reagan was proven right in time, Trump will be also.. And we all know Trump is greater than Reagan."  

 

https://www.thereaganvision.org/the-reykjavik-summit-the-story/

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40 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Since Trump supposedly walked away from the table wt NK because he didn't get what he wanted, how soon will his supporters start comparing him favorably and falsely   to Ronald Reagan when Reagan walked away from a 'peace deal' with Gorby at Reykjavik?   As you may recall, Gorby was putting every carrot on the table for Reagan to accept a 'deal'. But that deal also included Reagan giving up SDI.  Gorby knew his country could not compete wt the USA on a SDI program - they had neither the expertise or the economics to make it happen - they could not  continue competing wt us.   Reagan said no.  He knew the threat of developing SDI was a game changer even if it was decades down the road for its completion.  The press and many in DC were up in arms that Reagan didn't bite on the carrots.  But in the end, he was proven correct. 

So I can see Sarah Sanders doing a press briefing in which she says something like "You know Ronald Reagan walked away from the table once and it turned out ok.  Trump is just following that same example.  If Reagan was proven right in time, Trump will be also.. And we all know Trump is greater than Reagan."  

 

https://www.thereaganvision.org/the-reykjavik-summit-the-story/

 

The difference here is that Reagan was well informed and listened to his intelligence community to come to that conclusion.  They went in as a team. It worked.  Problem here is that Trump thinks he's smarter than all his intelligence community combined and believes the adversary more than his own team.

 

If Trump falls into anything like what Reagan accomplished, it's by damn luck and no form of great negotiation skills.

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1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

The difference here is that Reagan was well informed and listened to his intelligence community to come to that conclusion.  They went in as a team. It worked.  Problem here is that Trump thinks he's smarter than all his intelligence community combined and believes the adversary more than his own team.

 

If Trump falls into anything like what Reagan accomplished, it's by damn luck and no form of great negotiation skills.

Bingo.    Trumps self aggrandizing ego is a weapon of mass destruction aimed at the USA - greater than what Little Rocket Man could throw our way. 

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6 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

I remember Republicans praising Trump for getting Warmbier back. Crickets now. 

Well when you see Trump stand with the despicable against the honorable, one is left speechless by the unfathomable. 

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The romance between little rocket man and long hair golden face maybe coming to an end as NK thinks about

ending the talks and restarting testing.  

 

How does Trump save face on this?  He has gone from calling Kim "LRM" to falling in love with the guy :wub:(see bold below).   So Trump thinks he has a great deal in hand after the 1st summit and softens his tone to that of a faint hearted romantic school girl (no offense meant towards school girls who are romantically in love wt a hollywood heart throb) - hoping to  love Kim into  the Greatest Deal of all time -YUGE Deal.  Yet, could it be that Kim as been playing him :violin??    

 

Regardless of my :sarcasm   We should not be surprised that the talks are going nowhere.  My concern is that Trump will now flip out of anger :steamof being jilted by his lover and will

react stupidly, putting SK and others in danger.  Time will tell.:snacks:  Nothing like a good war to change the narrative and get the electorate behind you in 2020 :o

 

 

https://www.apnews.com/5e747986f9204bd88ed0b38ab314c22a

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PYONGYANG, North Korea (AP) — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un will soon decide whether to continue diplomatic talks and maintain his moratorium on missile launches and nuclear tests, a senior North Korean official said Friday, adding that the U.S. threw away a golden opportunity at the recent summit between their leaders.

Vice Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui, addressing a meeting of diplomats and foreign media, including The Associated Press, in Pyongyang said the North was deeply disappointed by the failure of the two sides to reach any agreements at the Hanoi summit between Kim and President Donald Trump.

She said Pyongyang now has no intention of compromising or continuing talks unless the United States takes measures that are commensurate to the changes it has taken — such as the 15-month moratorium on launches and tests — and changes its “political calculation.”

Choe, who attended the Feb. 27-28 talks in Hanoi, said Kim was puzzled by what she called the “eccentric” negotiation position of the U.S. She suggested that while Trump was more willing to talk, an atmosphere of hostility and mistrust was created by the uncompromising demands of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Adviser John Bolton. She said statements by senior Trump advisers since the summit have further worsened the climate.

Even so, she said personal relations between the two leaders are still good “and the chemistry is mysteriously wonderful.”:wub:

 

 

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1 hour ago, TGHusker said:

The romance between little rocket man and long hair golden face maybe coming to an end as NK thinks about

ending the talks and restarting testing.  

 

How does Trump save face on this?  He has gone from calling Kim "LRM" to falling in love with the guy :wub:(see bold below).   So Trump thinks he has a great deal in hand after the 1st summit and softens his tone to that of a faint hearted romantic school girl (no offense meant towards school girls who are romantically in love wt a hollywood heart throb) - hoping to  love Kim into  the Greatest Deal of all time -YUGE Deal.  Yet, could it be that Kim as been playing him :violin??    

 

Regardless of my :sarcasm   We should not be surprised that the talks are going nowhere.  My concern is that Trump will now flip out of anger :steamof being jilted by his lover and will

react stupidly, putting SK and others in danger.  Time will tell.:snacks:  Nothing like a good war to change the narrative and get the electorate behind you in 2020 :o

 

 

https://www.apnews.com/5e747986f9204bd88ed0b38ab314c22a

 

 

 

 

They never did have any intention of compromising. It was a PR stunt and an attempt to get some sanctions relief while secretly still doing what they were always doing.

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2 hours ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

 

They never did have any intention of compromising. It was a PR stunt and an attempt to get some sanctions relief while secretly still doing what they were always doing.

Yep.   And also Trump got to be seen on the big stage where he could present himself as the great negotiator. 

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