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Will there be a War with N. Korea?  

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  1. 1. Will there be a limited war wt N Korea during the next 4 years?

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Comfortably Numb    5,061

Well, according to Fox News "breaking news" today, we are already at war with NK and they are mere moments away from releasing a barrage of nuclear weapons on us. The urgency and warnings and alerts....oh my.

 

I can't help but think this is how Trump diverts our attention from his sh!tshow of a presidency.

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knapplc    19,301

I can't help but think this is how Trump diverts our attention from his sh!tshow of a presidency.

 

That is exactly what this is.

 

China could put an end to North Korea in an instant. China is a major creditor to America, so much so that if we default on it, China's economy crashes. We have as much leverage over China as anyone, and therefore leverage over North Korea. We don't have to go to war, we don't have to sail aircraft carriers off their coast, we don't have to do anything other than negotiate with China to get this taken care of.

 

The fact that this hasn't been done tells us that it's being allowed to happen because it's expedient. All of this "war with North Korea" is a distraction, it's coming from conservatives/conservative media mouthpieces, and it's entire existence is due to the fact that Trump (and Obama before him, and Bush before him, etc) need distractions.

 

Trump's just a much heavier user of this distraction.

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sho    104

I'm sure Trumps all for it, have NK nuke those snowflake libs in Cali and strengthen his base....

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Comfortably Numb    5,061

The scary thing about it is not the threat of anything from NK but rather the sensationalistic "urgent "alert" nature of the Fox News reporting on it. I went over to the local truck stop (they have Fox News on 24-7) to pick up some late breakfast and the typical persons that frequent there are, how shall we say, not the sharpest knives in the drawer. I'm sure 25%+ of them (and that's being conservative) in all likelihood believe war is imminent and that we would be completely justified in wiping NK off the map right now. I know this has been covered as nauseam in multiple threads but Fox News really is out of control. The only real "breaking" news (if it's not completely fake news) is that NK may be a little further down the road with their nuclear missile abilities than we thought they were. But Fox is doing all they can to get anyone and everyone whipped into a frenzy, I'm sure all at the behest of Trump Inc. It just isn't supposed to be this way...

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BigRedBuster    8,066

Diaco......

 

Sad ghing is, I know some pretty sharp knives in that drawer and from only listening to Fox News has been lead to believe this crap.

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TGHusker    1,335

The scary thing about it is not the threat of anything from NK but rather the sensationalistic "urgent "alert" nature of the Fox News reporting on it. I went over to the local truck stop (they have Fox News on 24-7) to pick up some late breakfast and the typical persons that frequent there are, how shall we say, not the sharpest knives in the drawer. I'm sure 25%+ of them (and that's being conservative) in all likelihood believe war is imminent and that we would be completely justified in wiping NK off the map right now. I know this has been covered as nauseam in multiple threads but Fox News really is out of control. The only real "breaking" news (if it's not completely fake news) is that NK may be a little further down the road with their nuclear missile abilities than we thought they were. But Fox is doing all they can to get anyone and everyone whipped into a frenzy, I'm sure all at the behest of Trump Inc. It just isn't supposed to be this way...

The bold: The problem with the 'wiping NK off the map right now" is this - We said this about North Vietnam, we said this about Iraq and Afghanistan, about ISIS etc. NV became communist Vietnam and we all know there are still major issues wt these Middle East entities - so the problem is that NK and these others don't lay down and just go along wt our plan to 'wipe them off the map'. They believe their ideology and stick up and defend it like we do ours. The same is true with Iran. Both Iran and NK would be major war blunders if we decided to take them on by force. Yes we have the military superior position but they have the 'defense of homeland' attitude that prolongs any effort by anyone trying to wipe them off the map. Long enough until they win the war of 'wills'. I shudder to think what would happen to Seoul SK if we start a war. It would have to be a first strike that gives NK no ability to retaliate.

So, is Trump rattling the sabers as a diversion to Russia Gate - does a skunk smell. Yes and YES. Unfortunately, history has shown that weak presidents are the most dangerous presidents, they are presidents who don't have the strength of character to overcome but use diversions like this to escape.

 

Relate to above is this article from the Washington Post - according to the article, once again our intelligence has under estimated the status of NK's nuke ability. I haven't seen the Fox News story so not sure if it is of similar nature or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-now-making-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons-us-analysts-say/2017/08/08/e14b882a-7b6b-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?utm_term=.8f84cc4349ab

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knapplc    19,301

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(So everyone is clear, this is a parody account)

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BigRedBuster    8,066

I wouldn't mind that!

 

Literally anyone. It's not hard to be less of a disaster than Trump.

Wow...I was touched by yours and TGs post.....until your last comment.

 

"Anyone".😞

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TGHusker    1,335

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nikki-haley-condemns-fox-news-133330251.html

 

UN Ambassador Nikki Haley on Tuesday slammed an apparent leak of classified details about US intelligence seeing North Korea load up anti-ship missiles onto a patrol boat.

"I can't talk about anything that's classified and if it's in the newspaper that's a shame," Haley said in an appearance on "Fox and Friends." "It's incredibly dangerous when things go out to the press like that."

"You're not just getting a scoop, you're playing with people's lives," said Haley.

But it looks like President Donald Trump had another reaction to the anonymous leak.

On Tuesday morning, the president retweeted the story before tweeting: "After many years of failure,countries are coming together to finally address the dangers posed by North Korea. We must be tough & decisive!"

The story, a scoop from Fox's Pentagon reporter Lucas Tomlinson, cited anonymous US defense officials as saying “North Korea is not showing any evidence it plans to halt its missile tests,” and describing "a trend that does not bode well for hopes of de-escalating tensions on the [Korean] peninsula.”

Tomlinson regularly publishes scoops from the Pentagon, often about breaking news or incidents at sea.

The Bold: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: We have the Child leading the administration while the adults try to keep order.

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zoogs    6,367

 

It is indeed meant to be a distraction, isn't it? Shut it with all the other "petty" politics stuff; if you don't, you're unpatriotic.

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BigRedBuster    8,066

Let's just stop and soak this in.

 

He just drew a line in the sand where NK only has to threaten something.

 

Think about that for a minute.

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Fru    868

Let's just stop and soak this in.

 

He just drew a line in the sand where NK only has to threaten something.

 

Think about that for a minute.

Actually, I'm trying not to.

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TGHusker    1,335

Let's just stop and soak this in.

 

He just drew a line in the sand where NK only has to threaten something.

 

Think about that for a minute.

Fat Boy threatens something as often as Trump tweets something. These idiots will trip on the same tree stump and hit heads and get us into a war. Where are the adults!!

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zoogs    6,367

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/08/donald-trump-is-playing-a-dangerous-game-with-north-korea/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.a69aac8bb397

 

What Trump is choosing to do matters. We should stop electing madmen and comfort ourselves with soothing notions that they're just "not afraid to tell it like it is" and "how refreshing". No. He's an irresponsible, unhinged lunatic -- and he's not capable of beginning to grasp the sort of fire he's playing with.

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Comfortably Numb    5,061

Seems odd that NK would tell everyone what they are doing...Hmmmm

Well, fat boy's saber rattling used to be kind of cute, in a funny he's an idiot sort of way. But now that we have another idiot (who's in charge of the worlds most powerful war machine) rattling back in the same fashion, it's quite discomforting. Does anyone think either one of these jokers are rational enough to know when/where to stop? Does anyone think either one of them wants to stop?

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BIGREDIOWAN    2,129

This can be ended with one well trained sniper with the window of opportunity presented to him......................this doesn't need to be an all out nuclear war nor should it be. Trump needs to shut up and do work behind the scenes to stop this. He's playing right into this chubby little bastards hands.

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ZRod    2,852

Are you suggesting a state sanctioned assassination?

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MLB 51    1,002

This can be ended with one well trained sniper with the window of opportunity presented to him......................this doesn't need to be an all out nuclear war nor should it be. Trump needs to shut up and do work behind the scenes to stop this. He's playing right into this chubby little bastards hands.

 

 

Are you suggesting a state sanctioned assassination?

We have a policy against assassinating foreign leaders.

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teachercd    3,224

 

This can be ended with one well trained sniper with the window of opportunity presented to him......................this doesn't need to be an all out nuclear war nor should it be. Trump needs to shut up and do work behind the scenes to stop this. He's playing right into this chubby little bastards hands.

 

 

Are you suggesting a state sanctioned assassination?

We have a policy against assassinating foreign leaders.

 

Of course we do!

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knapplc    19,301

 

This can be ended with one well trained sniper with the window of opportunity presented to him......................this doesn't need to be an all out nuclear war nor should it be. Trump needs to shut up and do work behind the scenes to stop this. He's playing right into this chubby little bastards hands.

 

Are you suggesting a state sanctioned assassination?

We have a policy against assassinating foreign leaders.

 

That phrase needs a wink emoji, because there have been a few foreign heads of state that have not survived US "intervention." There was the overthrow of the Iranian government in the 1950s where we put the Shah in power, various coups and government overthrows in Central & South America sponsored, funded or directly operated by the CIA, similar actions from Africa post-WWII, Manuel Noriega in Nicaragua in the 1980s, Saddam Hussein in Iraq under W... and that's not remotely a full list.

 

So while we may not directly put bullet into brain, we sure do depose foreign heads of state, and often they don't survive the process.

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teachercd    3,224

 

 

This can be ended with one well trained sniper with the window of opportunity presented to him......................this doesn't need to be an all out nuclear war nor should it be. Trump needs to shut up and do work behind the scenes to stop this. He's playing right into this chubby little bastards hands.

 

Are you suggesting a state sanctioned assassination?

We have a policy against assassinating foreign leaders.

 

That phrase needs a wink emoji, because there have been a few foreign heads of state that have not survived US "intervention." There was the overthrow of the Iranian government in the 1950s where we put the Shah in power, various coups and government overthrows in Central & South America sponsored, funded or directly operated by the CIA, similar actions from Africa post-WWII, Manuel Noriega in Nicaragua in the 1980s, Saddam Hussein in Iraq under W... and that's not remotely a full list.

 

So while we may not directly put bullet into brain, we sure do depose foreign heads of state, and often they don't survive the process.

 

Exactly...

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VectorVictor    1,986

 

This can be ended with one well trained sniper with the window of opportunity presented to him......................this doesn't need to be an all out nuclear war nor should it be. Trump needs to shut up and do work behind the scenes to stop this. He's playing right into this chubby little bastards hands.

 

 

Are you suggesting a state sanctioned assassination?

We have a policy against assassinating foreign leaders.

 

 

"Policy"

 

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ZRod    2,852

I'm not condoning any of those actions, but don't you think a sponsored coup or over throw is a little different than explicitly targeting a foreign leader for assassination? Granted it's just a way for the US to wash it's hands of the situation.

 

Noriega died this year at the age of 83 from complications due to brain surgery, more than 20 years after he was deposed. Saddam had something of a trial before he was sentenced and executed.

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dudeguyy    3,490

 

It is indeed meant to be a distraction, isn't it? Shut it with all the other "petty" politics stuff; if you don't, you're unpatriotic.

 

 

 

This is AWFULLY similar to how Ted Nugent called for unity and the end of hateful rhetoric after Steve Scalise got shot.

 

This is the same guy who said Obama should suck on his machine gun, among other not-so-subtle jokes about his assassination.

 

Seems guys like these are awfully selective about when we should come together.

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BIGREDIOWAN    2,129

Are you suggesting a state sanctioned assassination?

I'm suggesting that there shouldn't be nuclear weapons involved in any sort of conflict with this individual and civilians certainly shouldn't have to die because he continues to rattle his saber. I don't agree with the way Trump is handling this situation and I certainly don't agree carpet bombing another country is the right answer either. Fat man is obviously more dangerous than his father was due to the fact that he now has nuclear capabilities and a dumbass President to poke the bear and say, "I dare you...." If he falls down some random stairs or something and breaks his neck....................so be it. Our military has much more precise methods to take care of this issue than resorting back to WWII tactics. North Korea is brain washed, there is zero way he'd stand trial there so that's not an option.

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dudeguyy    3,490

Oh, and Sean Hannity doesn't give a crap about what Sean Hannity says he's going to do.

 

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funhusker    751

According to Jim Rose, North Koreans are all miserable and would welcome the United States "turning their country into a sand trap" putting them out of their misery.

 

It amazes me that people like this not only exist, but have a megaphone via 1100AM in Omaha. The sad thing is, the other people chuckled and said, "you're probably right."

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TGHusker    1,335

I think Bill Clinton's SOD, William Cohen, has some good advise here. Trump should have just kept his big mouth shut. But he is incapable of such a measured response. I wonder what other nations think of and how they plan around the juvenile in chief.

 

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/william-cohen-north-korea-donald-trump-silence/2017/08/09/id/806692/

 

President Donald Trump remaining silent in the wake of threats from North Korea would have been more effective than saying he would bring "fire and fury" against the Kim Jong-un regime, according to William Cohen, who was secretary of defense during President Bill Clinton's administration.

Silence from Trump would have had a more "powerful impact," Cohen said Wednesday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"It's always better, if you see an enemy that remains silent, that's more frightening than someone who is beating his chest or engaging in schoolyard banter or locker room language," the former defense secretary said.

Trump should not send a message that is "bomb-bastic," Cohen said, adding, "that kind of language is not going to intimidate the North Koreans," Cohen added.

"Silence would have been very good here, and let the diplomats like Secretary (of State Rex) Tillerson, let the others who are trying to bring about a peaceful solution to this, have the authority to do so," Cohen said.

He said threats would have no effect on the regime.

"Simply issuing threats — which the North Koreans are not going to take as serious, because they know intuitively, I think, that the United States is not going to launch a preemptive attack, putting at risk hundreds of thousands, if not millions of South Koreans, and Japanese, and others," Cohen said.

North Korea's goal is to remain secure and to someday rule over the Korean peninsula, not to "invite a nuclear holocaust," the former defense secretary said.

"The North Koreans have simply accelerated their development and their goal to develop a nuclear capability, one that can threaten the United States, but they are not suicidal," Cohen said.

 

 

Back in April, Cohen also commented on North Korea in an MSNBC interview with Andrea Mitchell. He said that China's help against North Korea is key. "I think the Chinese understand that to allow North Korea to continue doing what it's doing is going to destabilize the region."

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knapplc    19,301

The craziest thing about Trump is how there's always an old tweet that corresponds with his current situation.

 

 

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TGHusker    1,335

The craziest thing about Trump is how there's always an old tweet that corresponds with his current situation.

 

 

How Prophetic!

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zoogs    6,367

According to Jim Rose, North Koreans are all miserable and would welcome the United States "turning their country into a sand trap" putting them out of their misery.

 

It amazes me that people like this not only exist, but have a megaphone via 1100AM in Omaha. The sad thing is, the other people chuckled and said, "you're probably right."

 

Yikes. Former Nebraska commentator Jim Rose? I didn't realize he was still on the radio.

 

But yeah, these comments don't really surprise me ultimately. Among my first forays in the P&R forum here years ago, way, way before I even had a leftward turn or was particularly political at all, I remember some discussions where people were talking about Afghanistan / the Middle East / etc, and suggesting that we should just "glass" the region. Yuck. I bring this up because I think it's helpful to understand how actually fairly normal some of these cavalier attitudes about non-American lives are. It's not entirely a Trump phenomenon, although he's certainly brought it into prominence. The silver lining here is perhaps we can have an honest national reckoning about it.

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commando    1,626

The craziest thing about Trump is how there's always an old tweet that corresponds with his current situation.

 

 

the guy is a real Nostradumbass

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Fru    868

 

According to Jim Rose, North Koreans are all miserable and would welcome the United States "turning their country into a sand trap" putting them out of their misery.

 

It amazes me that people like this not only exist, but have a megaphone via 1100AM in Omaha. The sad thing is, the other people chuckled and said, "you're probably right."

 

Yikes. Former Nebraska commentator Jim Rose? I didn't realize he was still on the radio.

 

But yeah, these comments don't really surprise me ultimately. Among my first forays in the P&R forum here years ago, way, way before I even had a leftward turn or was particularly political at all, I remember some discussions where people were talking about Afghanistan / the Middle East / etc, and suggesting that we should just "glass" the region. Yuck. I bring this up because I think it's helpful to understand how actually fairly normal some of these cavalier attitudes about non-American lives are. It's not entirely a Trump phenomenon, although he's certainly brought it into prominence. The silver lining here is perhaps we can have an honest national reckoning about it.

 

 

That rhetoric tends to come from the "All Lives Matter, every life is sacred, heartbeats" crowd as well.

 

Interesting, isn't it?

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TGHusker    1,335

Former Dem Florida State Rep and opinion writer says fed preparing for 'black sky' large scale catastrophe event. While I think it is in China's best interest to get Fat Boy to stand down and not do something stupid, my concern is that either Fat Boy or Orange Face-Floppy Hair does something stupid that gets us involved in a non-nuclear conventional war that would be a huge mess. Fat Boy isn't like an ISIS fighter (die for the cause to get the 7 virgins & paradise). He wants power and to stay in power - so I don't think he will attack us as that will lead to his sure destruction in return. His saber rattling is to get concessions out of us I think, to reinforce his power (unite behind me against the evil USA). It is in China's best interest that the Korea peninsula remain divided. They don't want a free Korea on their borders that can become an even bigger economic competitor (imagine if NK/SK became reunited and the whole united country is free - the industry that would rush into the North would be bigger and faster that that big swooshing sound you heard going into Mexico after NAFTA). SOS Tillerson is hopefully pressuring China to get Fat Boy to stand down. In the mean time, we need to prepare for the unthinkable. Thus this opinion page.

 

 

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/2017/08/09/vasilinda-black-sky-event-inevitable-we-must-prepare/551649001/

 

who she is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Rehwinkel_Vasilinda

 

 

 

from her opinion artilce:

 

Saber rattling from North Korea and the specter of cyber attacks from our enemies keep us anxious.

We also worry we are vulnerable to cyber attack in our homes and businesses, banks, hospitals and schools. Worry should turn us to action to protect and prepare to repair, restore and rebuild. Resiliency is not the latest buzzword; it’s an absolute necessity.

A few days ago I returned from D.C., where I attended an annual summit hosted by Congresswoman Yvette Clark, D-NY, Congressman Trent Franks, R-Arizona, the Rt, Honorable Lord James Arbuthnot, Conservative and the Rt. Honorable Lord Toby Harris, Labour Party of the UK Parliament.

Participants from 24 nations included defense and security ministers and experts, scientists, engineers, non-government organizations like the Salvation Army, Red Cross, and National Governors Association. Also there were members of the U.S. military, National Guard Adjutant Generals, officials from Homeland Security, Department of Energy, FEMA, NOAA, and experts from the utility, distribution and supply sectors.

Our work is to learn about, discuss and plan for the inevitability of large scale catastrophe, referred to as the "Black Sky events": extreme weather, mega earthquakes, cyber terrorism, high altitude electromagnetic pulse, Intentional Electromagnetic Interference, and coordinated physical assault that “severely disrupts the normal functioning of our critical infrastructures in multiple regions for long periods of time.”

It’s not “if” but “when” a Black Sky event will occur. The time is now for each of us to do all we can to be resilient, to prevent — but also to prepare to restore and rebuild.

The strength of our way of life, a result of our Constitution and system of government, is our diverse civil society. I have been petitioned, visited by and asked to speak to many organizations and associations of people who have found common purpose in a cause, profession, occupation or industry.

 

I have seen firsthand the strength and beauty of these human associations working to meet challenges and solve problems. Our robust civil society can be our greatest strength when catastrophic Black Skies gather.

What can you, your family and your organizations do to be prepared and avoid feeling helpless? You can be part of an all hazards, all hands on deck defense to Black Skies.

On August 23, there will be an Emergency All-Sector Response Transnational Hazard Exercise called EarthEX2017, sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy, FEMA and the EIS Council. The mission of EarthEx2017 is to “improve community resilience to large scale, long duration power outages through multi-sector exercises.”

The exercise will include widespread power outages with no solution, critical decisions, assessments, actions and cross-sector coordination, with the final phase being a “Lessons Imagined” assessment and feedback.

 

Participants will include private and government sectors, mass care NGOs, individuals, and families — and hopefully you. For more information or to register visit www.eiscouncil.org.

Michelle Rehwinkel Vasilinda was a member of the Florida House of Representatives. She was co-chair of the Florida House Working Group on Cyber Security and EMP in April 2015. Reach her @RepMichelle or on Facebook.

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knapplc    19,301

China could put an end to North Korea in an instant. China is a major creditor to America, so much so that if we default on it, China's economy crashes. We have as much leverage over China as anyone, and therefore leverage over North Korea. We don't have to go to war, we don't have to sail aircraft carriers off their coast, we don't have to do anything other than negotiate with China to get this taken care of.

 

The fact that this hasn't been done tells us that it's being allowed to happen because it's expedient. All of this "war with North Korea" is a distraction, it's coming from conservatives/conservative media mouthpieces, and it's entire existence is due to the fact that Trump (and Obama before him, and Bush before him, etc) need distractions.

 

Trump's just a much heavier user of this distraction.

 

Well, now we have proof that Trump reads HuskerBoard (or I'm good at predicting why things are the way they are).

 

 

 

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Um.... NO THEY AREN'T.

Know how I know? Because we haven't prepped anything for a war with North Korea.

1) There are tens of thousands of Americans in South Korea who would need to be evacuated before shooting starts. We haven't even begun that process.

2) Our military is not massing on the border, nor are there troops on transports waiting to land on shore further north. The majority of our troops are not in a state of readiness, and it will take weeks to get them there. The logistics of moving hundreds of thousands of troops, materiel and support staff may escape Trump, but then he's more Saddam Hussein than Norman Schwarzkopf.

3) Along with #2, we'd need air cover. The Air Force can operate out of bases in South Korea, but we'd need sea power, too. That means carrier task forces, plural, and those take time to move into position. Sure, The USS Carl Vinson has been stationed there for months as Trump promised ( <_< ) but we have no other assets in the area. Further, those fleets will need to be brought to combat readiness, not just geared up for patrols, all of which, again, takes time. Air Force assets can be moved in a couple days, but the support staff & infrastructure necessary to allow land-based aircraft the ability to operate needs to be moved, and that will take days/weeks.

4) We will build a coalition of allies to go with us. Unilateral action by the US Military would be condemned, and if anything goes wrong the onus of that lies solely with us as the lone actor. If nothing else, by garnering support from amongst our allies, we'll have fewer countries potentially condemning our move. This process could have begun in secret, but as yet nobody has publicly signed on for anything more than economic sanctions.

 

 

 

 

Trump has no grasp of the logistics of these things, but the North Koreans (and the rest of the world) certainly do. This kind of stuff whips up the base and distracts them from the Russia investigation, but it makes Trump and the US look as foolish in the eyes of the world as Saddam looked with his "mother of all battles" nonsense before the Gulf War. A GOP president, George Bush I, put an end to that blather right quick.

 

The GOP went from supporting the deposing of tin pot dictators to hanging on one's every tweet. It's sad.

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