DOJ Initial Russia Hearings

[Danny Bateman]

Here is the relevant NBC story he is talking about. Mueller honing in on obstruction of justice. I guess he doesn't buy the crack Trump legal team's opinion presidential obstruction isn't a thing.

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, QMany said:

 

 

 

So....just to clarify, the theory is that we have a President that has been shown and proven to constantly lie and make up crap about very serious issues asking someone under him to lie about very serious issues to the FBI.

 

Do I have this correct?  And....still people won't believe it.

[TGHusker]

52 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

 

So....just to clarify, the theory is that we have a President that has been shown and proven to constantly lie and make up crap about very serious issues asking someone under him to lie about very serious issues to the FBI.

 

Do I have this correct?  And....still people won't believe it.

Same people will be voting for Judge Moore this week also.    Ideology before ethics.

[Moiraine]

20 hours ago, TGHusker said:

Same people will be voting for Judge Moore this week also.    Ideology before ethics.

 

 

 

But the same people think it's really evil for consenting adults to touch each others' genitals if their genitals look similar. Yet pedophilia is cool with them now.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Moiraine

[NM11046]

 

[commando]

[commando]

shocking

 

[zoogs]

@commando, are you sure they weren't referring to current FBI director Christopher Wray? That's what I saw about this.

[deedsker]

Should be Wray in the quote and he also clues into Rosenstein’s leanings as a Republican as well.

[Danny Bateman]

I'm only part of the way through this, but my goodness, this is a sobering report on the effect Russiagate has actually had on the Trump administration.

 

 

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The result is without obvious parallel in U.S. history, a situation in which the personal insecurities of the president — and his refusal to accept what even many in his administration regard as objective reality — have impaired the government’s response to a national security threat. The repercussions radiate across the government.

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Intelligence officials who brief the president play down information about Russia they fear might displease him, current and former officials said. Plans for the State Department to counter Russian propaganda remain stalled. And while Trump has formed a commission to investigate widely discredited claims of U.S. voter fraud, there is no task force focused on the election peril that security officials regard as a certainty — future Russian attacks.

Trump has never convened a Cabinet-level meeting on Russian interference or what to do about it, administration officials said. Although the issue has been discussed at lower levels at the National Security Council, one former high-ranking Trump administration official said there is an unspoken understanding within the NSC that to raise the matter is to acknowledge its validity, which the president would see as an affront.

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U.S. officials declined to discuss whether the stream of recent intelligence on Russia has been shared with Trump. Current and former officials said that his daily intelligence update — known as the president’s daily brief, or PDB — is often structured to avoid upsetting him.

 

Russia-related intelligence that might draw Trump’s ire is in some cases included only in the written assessment and not raised orally, said a former senior intelligence official familiar with the matter. In other cases, Trump’s main briefer — a veteran CIA analyst — adjusts the order of his presentation and text, aiming to soften the impact.

 

“If you talk about Russia, meddling, interference — that takes the PDB off the rails,” said a second former senior U.S. intelligence official.

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Trump’s aversion to the intelligence, and the dilemma that poses for top spies, has created a confusing dissonance on issues related to Russia. The CIA continues to stand by its conclusions about the election, for example, even as the agency’s director, Mike Pompeo, frequently makes comments that seem to diminish or distort those findings.

 

In October, Pompeo declared the intelligence community had concluded that Russia’s meddling “did not affect the outcome of the election.” In fact, spy agencies intentionally steered clear of addressing that question.

 

This portrays him as a guy who can't or won't grasp reality, with everyone else tiptoeing around that fact & some, like Pompeo, actively trying to assist him in it.

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by dudeguyy

[zoogs]

The absurd case against the FBI: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/fbi-agents-sending-anti-trump-texts-is-not-a-scandal.html

 

There is relatively strong evidence evidence that the FBI’s conservative bias influenced its behavior during the election. Reporting indicated Republican-leaning agents were agitating for a prosecution of Clinton. Agents leaked damaging stories to Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani, who — not anticipating that his party would decide the next year that politically opinionated FBI agents were scandalous — boasted openly about his contacts. This pressure culminated in then-director James Comey’s extraordinary decision, in the final ten days of the campaign, to publicly announce a reopening of the investigation into Clinton on the basis of the flimsiest evidence — some old Anthony Weiner emails that predictably amounted to nothing.

 

Frankly, a human being who hasn't yet recognized Trump's manifest incompetence should not be entrusted with executing anything responsibly.

[commando]

he does have a point

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, dudeguyy said:

Trump has never convened a Cabinet-level meeting on Russian interference or what to do about it, administration officials said.

 

 

Why should he.  He's talked to Putin about it.

[TGHusker]

6 hours ago, dudeguyy said:

This portrays him as a guy who can't or won't grasp reality, with everyone else tiptoeing around that fact & some, like Pompeo, actively trying to assist him in it.

 

Sounds worse than Nixon.  Paranoia!    No way this guy lasts 4 years.    If Pence, etc had the courage and willingness and ethics to do something - amendment 25.4 should be initiated.  Otherwise it is on Mueller & team to force his resignation.

[BigRedBuster]

Ok....let’s look at this rationally. 

 

If a a law enforcement officer sees a lot of evidence that proves a person should not hold an office and then decides he is unfit for office, should he then be banned from investigating that person?