Frank Martin (SCar HC) on Generational Differences

[Mavric]

Thought this was a pretty good point:

 

[JJ Husker]

He makes a good point. Today's kids didn't change all on their own. Their parents and society at large is what has changed.

[Moiraine]

His attitude about is better than that of a lot of people his age, but I'm not sure kids now are that much different than they've always been, and in a way the quote is agreeing with those who say there is something wrong. Although his intentions were obviously good.

 

I actually have what I think is a good/unique perspective on this because I went to college at in 2000 and then again in 2010. They were no more or less mature or dedicated in 2010 than they were in 2000. Then I taught mostly 18 year olds from 2014-2016. There were some students who didn't give a crap and others who were stupid but for the most part they were good students and it never entered my mind to think they were more immature or lazy or less smart (on average) than kids their age 15 years ago.

[JJ Husker]

His attitude about is better than that of a lot of people his age, but I'm not sure kids now are that much different than they've always been, and in a way the quote is agreeing with those who say there is something wrong. Although his intentions were obviously good.

I actually have what I think is a good/unique perspective on this because I went to college at in 2000 and then again in 2010. They were no more or less mature or dedicated in 2010 than they were in 2000. Then I taught mostly 18 year olds from 2014-2016. There were some students who didn't give a crap and others who were stupid but for the most part they were good students and it never entered my mind to think they were more immature or lazy or less smart (on average) than kids their age 15 years ago.

A 10 year span is not enough to notice the change. If you were an old fart like me, the differences would be more noticeable.

 

And of course, I don't think anyone is claiming ALL kids have changed. It's just that there aren't as many with some of the desirable sports related traits from yesteryear.

[BigRedBuster]

I personally think the entire "kids now days are different" in a bad way.....is BS.

 

I work pretty close with a lot of HS kids locally and I am very impressed with them. Sure, there is a big range from over achievers to lazy idiots. But, that was no different back when I was in HS in the 80s.

 

Every generation of adults looks down at kids. Adults in the 20s thought kids were partying too much....adults in the 50s though kids were too much into their new found music, hot rods...etc. Adults in the 60s though kids were too much into peace, love and drugs. Adults in the 70s thought kids had too long of hair, too many drugs, too much sex and listened to that satin music (rock and roll)....and on and on and on....

 

Meanwhile, I know for a fact my friends and I were worthless pieces of crap at 18-22 years old because we didn't know better. Guess what, we learned just like every other generation.

 

I always laugh at baby boomers that grew up in the 60s sitting around and complaining about how horrible kids are now days. They obviously for got their childhood or can't remember because it's a blurry haze.

[JJ Husker]

I don't think kids today are bad or really much different than 30 to 40 years ago. In fact in many ways they are probably better than when I was a teen. But there is no denying that society and technology has changed and it has affected the outlook and behavior of kids. Social media and all the instant gratification has caused a shift. For some, what was worth all your heart and effort just isn't worth it anymore. It's not a knock on kids today, it's just the way it is. Hell my kids and their friends are way more responsible and mature than I and my friends were in the 70's and 80's. But I can also say that they are not prone to working as hard. I also see it in the work ethic of 20 and 30 somethings. They are much more apt to hop jobs and be more concerned about themselves and less concerned about their employer or job. Maybe not a bad thing but it is different than it was 40 years ago.

[teachercd]

It is odd...because 65 is the new 50...but 15 is the new 20.

[funhusker]

^^^^

 

Bottom line: people gonna complain about people....

[ColoradoHusk]

I had a co-worker in my group who recently quit his job. He is a 30 year old guy who wanted to take a sabbatical for 4-6 months to go to Europe and do "volunteer" work. He expected to take this Euro vacation and still have his job when he came back. He said our company has a long-term, unpaid leave program, which is really there so employees have an option in case a family member has a medical issue. He was told he wouldn't have a job if he left for that long, so he quit.

 

He was a very good employee and skilled at what he did. However, he was leaving our group in a perilous time as our company is headed for a big merger in a few months. He basically tried to argue with my boss why he should get this sabbatical and he just couldn't get why it wasn't approved. He thought that if he just kept trying to get his way, our bosses would eventually wear down and let him have his way. He was wrong.

 

This is the 2nd "millennial" that has quit my group in the past 6 months. While they were both nice guys, and pretty good at their jobs, they weren't very good "team members". They were more focused on their individual jobs, and didn't always understand/agree our group dynamic. They wanted to do a lot of things on their own terms, instead of being a part of a group and very large company.

[greenmonkey51]

Millennials aren't loyal to companies because companies have repeatedly shown not to be trusted.

[JJ Husker]

I have noticed the same basic thing in many in that age group ColoradoHusk. I'm convinced it's a generational thing and may be here to stay. It's great for them that they're going to do what they want and it may be more healthy in the long run but as an employer it's a concern.

[ScottyIce]

Thought this was a pretty good point:

 

https://twitter.com/COACH_HIMEY/status/846117555370672132

Mav, you should really take a hard look at his advice. He is speaking towards many of our posters here at HB. We are in a "fire, fire, fire" craze world when we don't get what we want. Which is exactly what we are teaching our kids. Pretty comical and pathetic.

[Saunders]

 

Thought this was a pretty good point:

 

https://twitter.com/COACH_HIMEY/status/846117555370672132

Mav, you should really take a hard look at his advice. He is speaking towards many of our posters here at HB. We are in a "fire, fire, fire" craze world when we don't get what we want. Which is exactly what we are teaching our kids. Pretty comical and pathetic.

 

I think you tripped on your jump to conclusions mat.

[ZRod]

I don't think kids today are bad or really much different than 30 to 40 years ago. In fact in many ways they are probably better than when I was a teen. But there is no denying that society and technology has changed and it has affected the outlook and behavior of kids. Social media and all the instant gratification has caused a shift. For some, what was worth all your heart and effort just isn't worth it anymore. It's not a knock on kids today, it's just the way it is. Hell my kids and their friends are way more responsible and mature than I and my friends were in the 70's and 80's. But I can also say that they are not prone to working as hard. I also see it in the work ethic of 20 and 30 somethings. They are much more apt to hop jobs and be more concerned about themselves and less concerned about their employer or job. Maybe not a bad thing but it is different than it was 40 years ago.

40 years ago you could count on your company to give you a raise and keep you around if you worked hard. Now your pretty lucky if you bust your butt and get a raise. The easiest way to get a raise is to leave your old job for a new one. It's not lack of loyalty or caring from this generation it's just the way corporations work now. Plus there is a lot of opportunity to get out to explore and learn at new places that aren't down the street from where you grew up.

[Moiraine]

 

I don't think kids today are bad or really much different than 30 to 40 years ago. In fact in many ways they are probably better than when I was a teen. But there is no denying that society and technology has changed and it has affected the outlook and behavior of kids. Social media and all the instant gratification has caused a shift. For some, what was worth all your heart and effort just isn't worth it anymore. It's not a knock on kids today, it's just the way it is. Hell my kids and their friends are way more responsible and mature than I and my friends were in the 70's and 80's. But I can also say that they are not prone to working as hard. I also see it in the work ethic of 20 and 30 somethings. They are much more apt to hop jobs and be more concerned about themselves and less concerned about their employer or job. Maybe not a bad thing but it is different than it was 40 years ago.

40 years ago you could count on your company to give you a raise and keep you around if you worked hard. Now your pretty lucky if you bust your butt and get a raise. The easiest way to get a raise is to leave your old job for a new one. It's not lack of loyalty or caring from this generation it's just the way corporations work now. Plus there is a lot of opportunity to get out to explore and learn at new places that aren't down the street from where you grew up.

 

This is how I see it. Recently a guy in his mid 50s who had been at my company for years was fired. Big companies aren't as loyal as they used to be so why should employees be?