Nebfanatic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Thank you! They can both be incredible, all time great players Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 So you're allowed to make contradicting rebuttals then say they don't matter but he has to bring a statistical case? Interesting dichotomy. Well you messed up the time line there. I asked for the statistical case, didn't get it. I presented a statistical case, which was pushed to the side because apparently stats don't matter, then I made the contradictory rebuttal which was the point(the start free agents don't want to play Lebron) so yea Id say it doesn't matter since his rebuttals apparently don't have to be in response to my posts either OK, this will be my bad. I missed the part that your stats were in the link. I was looking for them in the thread. And I'm not even arguing the point. I'm not a LeBron fan - nor a Kobe fan for that matter - but I definitely think LeBron is the better player. He gets demerits from me for flopping and I think the issues he's had with heat seem ... dubious. But what he can actually do on the floor is pretty incredible. But I'm also not sure your stats are quite paint quite as clear of a "LeBron is better" argument as you might think. There are differences in teammates, competition and eras of play that aren't captured by straight stats. Not the least of which Kobe having significantly more run-ins with the best team of the last 20+ years (Spurs) and LeBron always playing in the East which has been lacking for quite some time. And Kobe has the clear edge in defensive honors which may or may not mean anything but others have questioned LeBron's defense and I'm not sure why an elite defender would feel the need to flop like he does. 1 Quote Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 So you're allowed to make contradicting rebuttals then say they don't matter but he has to bring a statistical case? Interesting dichotomy. Well you messed up the time line there. I asked for the statistical case, didn't get it. I presented a statistical case, which was pushed to the side because apparently stats don't matter, then I made the contradictory rebuttal which was the point(the start free agents don't want to play Lebron) so yea Id say it doesn't matter since his rebuttals apparently don't have to be in response to my posts either OK, this will be my bad. I missed the part that your stats were in the link. I was looking for them in the thread. And I'm not even arguing the point. I'm not a LeBron fan - nor a Kobe fan for that matter - but I definitely think LeBron is the better player. He gets demerits from me for flopping and I think the issues he's had with heat seem ... dubious. But what he can actually do on the floor is pretty incredible. But I'm also not sure your stats are quite paint quite as clear of a "LeBron is better" argument as you might think. There are differences in teammates, competition and eras of play that aren't captured by straight stats. Not the least of which Kobe having significantly more run-ins with the best team of the last 20+ years (Spurs) and LeBron always playing in the East which has been lacking for quite some time. And Kobe has the clear edge in defensive honors which may or may not mean anything but others have questioned LeBron's defense and I'm not sure why an elite defender would feel the need to flop like he does. what you are saying about Lebron is fair and the flaws ERN brought up are there too. I'm not some Lebron super fan who thinks he is perfect. But to me when you watch the 2 play, it's not really that hard to determine who is better overall. And the stats while they may be skewed, back up that notion. Even in categories you would think Kobe would be better(playoff scoring) Lebron is still ahead of him. You really have to do some stretching to try and argue Kobe is the better player. Like I said not a Lebron super fan so I don't know what more to say for the guy, but I really just appreciate his talent and I think to say Kobe is better than him at this point is an opinion that is easier to prove wrong than right. Obviously I can't come with definitive evidence Lebron is better because that doesn't exist when you are comparing 2 all time great athletes, that being said I'd say quite a bit of the evidence is in Brons favor. All of this should be taken with a grain of salt though considering we can all agree both of these guys are all time top 10 (if not better) players. Splitting hairs really. 1 Quote Link to comment
HuskermanMike Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 What a great playoffs its been.... Manu will be in the HOF if he indeed retires. Lebron is a great defender and I don't know why people say he isn't a good one. Maybe he plays too much help defense but as a one on one defender he is really good. He recovers when he gets beat to the hoop, which with all the new rules you almost have to get beat to the tin and then block someones shot or else you get tagged with a foul trying to play great defense in today's game. In the playoffs though the officials let them play a little more than during the regular season. Quote Link to comment
admo Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Yeah..... Lebron and Kobe are both great. Phenomenal players... Phil Jackson and Dwayne Wade are pretty great too.... Shouldn't argue over things like that... Quote Link to comment
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