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However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.

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However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.
in what bizarre world does Wichita St. have a better basketball program than KU? Surely not this one.
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However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.
in what bizarre world does Wichita St. have a better basketball program than KU? Surely not this one.

Read my handle carefully. Then you'll understand.

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However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

 

Incorrect. Conference expansion involves politics--at the AD level, the school level, and the state government level, should any of this come to fruition.

 

 

 

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.

 

 

And I still feel the need to remind folks that we don't have that much room to talk considering the Kansas football program, no matter how fleeting their competence, has been to a (formerly BCS) signifigant bowl more recently than we have. Plus their basketball program gets eyeballs from around the country, especially folks that aren't fans of the program, but are fans of collegiate basketball.

 

When people say 'Kansas Basketball', they know immediately what you're discussing. When you say 'Wichita State Basketball', you are more likely to receive a puzzled, constipated look, or at best, an 'ah ha!' look with a subsequent 'I think I've seem them during March Madness once'.

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Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

I wouldn't say that--there's always the hope that a slightly more sane Texas Legislature comes to their senses and overrides this stupidity.

*California. This isn't a Texas law

No, Texas. California's travel ban is in response to the asinine Trans Bathroom bill that was passed in Texas. Once Texas rescinds or otherwise nullifies the bill, California will open travel back up to Texas.

yep you are right. My bad!

 

 

It's all good. :) Don't sweat it.

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Does nobody understand that desertshox is a wichita state fan?

 

Yes, it's pretty obvious from his comments and handle, I thought. :dunno

 

I just don't think there's a universe where Wichita State is selected over Kansas to join the B1G. Strike that...there is a universe where this would happen, but only if a certain tragedy didn't befall the football program. :(

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What motivations would OU have for moving to the Big Ten?

1 Convenient proximity for fans to travel to games? LOL

2 Dramatic gains in recruiting? Doubtful, at best.

3 Joinder with their comrades in the academic and "northern" sports such as hockey, etc? LOL

4. Long term traditional rivalries with all those other 'lost' teams like Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue, etc etc. Nebraska, yes, but that's it.

5 National football prestige and fame? Perhaps, modestly, but OU already is a national program with plenty of 'power' already. Not much room to go up for them really.

6 Joining a better league? (Yes, but the SEC is the natural, geographic fit with recruiting advantages presumably as many southern state recruits are much closer.

7 A natural yearning by their fan base to play a bunch of lousy weather games the last half of the season in the great lakes region vs the "Dixie" states, etc.

8 Rekindling their long lost friendship and afinity with Nebraska? The OU vs. NU 'rivalry was always much bigger for Nebraska than OU. OU v. Texas is their 'BIG" one. Has been for many decades.

9 The Big Ten swap for the Big 12 would present a dramatic upgrade in competition and make winning those championships that much harder. OU has not been nearly as dominant in recent years so it would seem

'ify' thinking to want to schedule an even tougher gauntlet at this time. OU is still a top 10 level program but as Switzer always liked to say: "You don't win the national championship, you schedule it!"

10 The Big Ten is looking for academic 'elites' and much more than a football program to add to their membership. OU as part of a package a few years ago when it would really grow the conference which was then flagging and trying not to be the 4th or even 5th 'best' conference is much different than now.

 

I would enjoy playing OU - if and when NU gets back to being a top ten program - but scheduling another Ohio State/Michigan level team would make our chances of getting back in the national title picture even harder.

 

If the Big Ten keeps adding top level football programs, there is great risk that it's champion will be a 2 loss type team, and find their champion on the outside looking in when it comes to playing for the national title, unless the Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten and one more league can finally pull away from the rest of the Div 1s and form a new 'elite' NCAA level.

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However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

 

Incorrect. Conference expansion involves politics--at the AD level, the school level, and the state government level, should any of this come to fruition.

 

 

 

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

 

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.

And I still feel the need to remind folks that we don't have that much room to talk considering the Kansas football program, no matter how fleeting their competence, has been to a (formerly BCS) signifigant bowl more recently than we have. Plus their basketball program gets eyeballs from around the country, especially folks that aren't fans of the program, but are fans of collegiate basketball.

 

When people say 'Kansas Basketball', they know immediately what you're discussing. When you say 'Wichita State Basketball', you are more likely to receive a puzzled, constipated look, or at best, an 'ah ha!' look with a subsequent 'I think I've seem them during March Madness once'.

I was just shifting the topic back to OU versus what bathroom to use. But you probably knew that. :-)

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What motivations would OU have for moving to the Big Ten?

1 Convenient proximity for fans to travel to games? LOL

2 Dramatic gains in recruiting? Doubtful, at best.

3 Joinder with their comrades in the academic and "northern" sports such as hockey, etc? LOL

4. Long term traditional rivalries with all those other 'lost' teams like Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue, etc etc. Nebraska, yes, but that's it.

5 National football prestige and fame? Perhaps, modestly, but OU already is a national program with plenty of 'power' already. Not much room to go up for them really.

6 Joining a better league? (Yes, but the SEC is the natural, geographic fit with recruiting advantages presumably as many southern state recruits are much closer.

7 A natural yearning by their fan base to play a bunch of lousy weather games the last half of the season in the great lakes region vs the "Dixie" states, etc.

8 Rekindling their long lost friendship and afinity with Nebraska? The OU vs. NU 'rivalry was always much bigger for Nebraska than OU. OU v. Texas is their 'BIG" one. Has been for many decades.

9 The Big Ten swap for the Big 12 would present a dramatic upgrade in competition and make winning those championships that much harder. OU has not been nearly as dominant in recent years so it would seem

'ify' thinking to want to schedule an even tougher gauntlet at this time. OU is still a top 10 level program but as Switzer always liked to say: "You don't win the national championship, you schedule it!"

10 The Big Ten is looking for academic 'elites' and much more than a football program to add to their membership. OU as part of a package a few years ago when it would really grow the conference which was then flagging and trying not to be the 4th or even 5th 'best' conference is much different than now.

 

I would enjoy playing OU - if and when NU gets back to being a top ten program - but scheduling another Ohio State/Michigan level team would make our chances of getting back in the national title picture even harder.

 

If the Big Ten keeps adding top level football programs, there is great risk that it's champion will be a 2 loss type team, and find their champion on the outside looking in when it comes to playing for the national title, unless the Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten and one more league can finally pull away from the rest of the Div 1s and form a new 'elite' NCAA level.

 

The real value is in the academic prestige and the Big Ten Alliance, formerly the CIC. The profs, pres. and board would drool over that. Plus lots of research money.

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What motivations would OU have for moving to the Big Ten?

1 Convenient proximity for fans to travel to games? LOL

2 Dramatic gains in recruiting? Doubtful, at best.

3 Joinder with their comrades in the academic and "northern" sports such as hockey, etc? LOL

4. Long term traditional rivalries with all those other 'lost' teams like Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue, etc etc. Nebraska, yes, but that's it.

5 National football prestige and fame? Perhaps, modestly, but OU already is a national program with plenty of 'power' already. Not much room to go up for them really.

6 Joining a better league? (Yes, but the SEC is the natural, geographic fit with recruiting advantages presumably as many southern state recruits are much closer.

7 A natural yearning by their fan base to play a bunch of lousy weather games the last half of the season in the great lakes region vs the "Dixie" states, etc.

8 Rekindling their long lost friendship and afinity with Nebraska? The OU vs. NU 'rivalry was always much bigger for Nebraska than OU. OU v. Texas is their 'BIG" one. Has been for many decades.

9 The Big Ten swap for the Big 12 would present a dramatic upgrade in competition and make winning those championships that much harder. OU has not been nearly as dominant in recent years so it would seem

'ify' thinking to want to schedule an even tougher gauntlet at this time. OU is still a top 10 level program but as Switzer always liked to say: "You don't win the national championship, you schedule it!"

10 The Big Ten is looking for academic 'elites' and much more than a football program to add to their membership. OU as part of a package a few years ago when it would really grow the conference which was then flagging and trying not to be the 4th or even 5th 'best' conference is much different than now.

 

I would enjoy playing OU - if and when NU gets back to being a top ten program - but scheduling another Ohio State/Michigan level team would make our chances of getting back in the national title picture even harder.

 

If the Big Ten keeps adding top level football programs, there is great risk that it's champion will be a 2 loss type team, and find their champion on the outside looking in when it comes to playing for the national title, unless the Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten and one more league can finally pull away from the rest of the Div 1s and form a new 'elite' NCAA level.

 

1. The Big XII has teams in West Virginia and was considering expansion teams in Tennessee and Florida, among others. Butts in seats, while great, isn't driving this bus--viewership on TV is, and the fans will travel (as Nebraska fans have shown). Plus moving with Kansas or Texass would provide at least three away destinations that are close: Austin/Lawrence, Lincoln, and Iowa City.

 

2. National exposure on television for every single game is better recruiting exposure and upside to the cobbled-together, ineffective Big XII TV deal they have currently. And they can sell that they have their own TV network--kids, especially they ones they're already going after in North Texas and Oklahoma, would continue to bite.

 

3. This is a red herring at best, as Nebraska doesn't have any "northern" sports like Hockey or Lacrosse either, yet we've been accepted and have done just fine. Plus the level of competition in Olympic sports (e.g. Volleyball, Wrestling, Gymnastics) is much better and gets more publicity (via BTN) than in the Big XII.

 

4. Oklahoma's only games they're worried about are Texass and Okie Lite--they've gone on record as such back in 2010 when this all was going down to begin with. If Texass moves to the B1G with Oklahoma, then this is a moot point, and they'd only have to worry about scheduling Okie Lite as a non-conference game. The only trouble with scheduling is if Kansas is their moving buddy, as this means that Oklahoma would have to either schedule Texass and Okie Lite as non-con games, or drop one (or both) because of the three non-con limit.

 

Additionally, the older, level-headed, non-meth-addled Oklahoma fans miss the Nebraska rivalry. Rekindling that, plus being able to have a mix of Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State, plus Wisconsin every year would dry any tears shed over scheduling woes.

 

5. How many times do you have to be told--this isn't *JUST* about athletics, this is also about academics. Barry Trammel has even said as such multiple times, including running fluff pieces on B1G academics, how Nebraska has improved academically since we joined the B1G, and ruminating that similar gains could be made at OU.

 

If you continue to render yourself willfully ignorant to this, then you're never going to understand.

 

6. Again, this has been said multiple times over, the Oklahoma fans, in their myopic, finite wisdom, want the SEC. But the leadership wants the B1G, because they see the big picture, whereas the fans see the flash of the SEC, but don't realize that outside of athletics, the SEC would impact the university negatively.

 

7. This is where you're running out of gas because you're just regurgitating your first point but with more hyperbole. See point 1 that already addresses this.

 

8. More regurgitation. See point 4.

 

9. Again, this is more a "big picture" discussion that goes with points 1 and 4. The era of being able to "schedule" championships is over. Now that they are playoffs (and that they will potentially expand as they become more popular), teams have to face the proverbial music against quality opponents on a regular basis, not just a one-off that you have 30+ days to prepare for. It is necessary to play quality opponents and build a resume in order to be discussed for the playoffs--that's something that cannot be done in the Big XII currently, and short of some talent supernova, won't likely happen for some time.

 

This subject has been covered ad nauseaum by sports media this season already--see all the articles that point out that the Big XII will be left out of the discussion if another team doesn't step up to match Oklahoma. Adding the title game won't help if no other team can close the gap with Oklahoma--in fact, it may hurt.

 

10. This is a partial regurgitation of point 5. The B1G is looking for academic partners, yes, but AAU membership isn't a requirement (see Notre Dame, Nebraska). Plus, Oklahoma's President has gone on record multiple times about how he wants to improve Oklahoma's academic cache, not unlike how Nebraska has improved theirs.

 

And even though it's unnumbered--the reason there's a selection committee is for the very reason you described--so a two-loss team that has played a tough schedule isn't overlooked in favor of a one-loss or zero-loss team that's played a cupcake schedule (e.g. Oklahoma) in comparison. Oklahoma sees this, and frankly, they'd have to deal with this regardless of where they move (SEC or B1G).

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