Jump to content


ESPN: Can Riley Fix Nebraska?


Mavric

Recommended Posts

1 minute ago, 1995 Redux said:

 

You forgot:

 

Better at playing Wisconsin closr: Riley

Better at getting s#!t stomped by Wisconsin: Bo

Better at upsetting MSU: Tie

Bettwr at getting s#!t stomped by Ohio State: Tie

 

Better at beating Illinois: Bo

Better at beating Purdue: Bo

Better at game ending Hail Marys: Bo

  • Plus1 2
Link to comment

12 minutes ago, 1995 Redux said:

 

 

 

 

Did he say he was happy with the status quo? If so, it must have been in a different quote you didn't include.

It is a fact that Bo Pelini won the division several times. That doesn't mean I was happy with the status of the program when he left.

 

 

  • Plus1 1
Link to comment

Just now, 1995 Redux said:

 

Better at almost losing to FCS teams: Bo

Better at losing to MAC teams: Riley

 

Mike's lucky we don't schedule FCS teams anymore. He might ACTUALLY lose to them!

 

PS: Better at chewing gum: Bo. He was always kicking that gum's ass!

  • Plus1 3
Link to comment
2 minutes ago, neepster said:

Really?  I have to admit I didn't do the math on the recuiting classes but if I remember correctly the classes we had with Bo were typically ranked in the 30s, while with Rilely we seem to be in the 20s.  But I haven't done the averages.  And of course everyone here keeps saying how he is so much better of a recruiter than Bo was and how Bo's teams just kept getting worse because he hated recruiting.

 

Per 247 Composite:

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
 02    .8316    18  (2)
 03    .8316    19  (2)
 04    .8237    20  (2)
 05*   .8523    32  (7)
 06*   .8493    22  (5)
 07*   .8587    26  (6)
 08    .8449    29  (3)
 09    .8580    19  (2)
 10*   .8642    20  (5)
 11    .8832    21  (9)
 12    .8773    17  (8)
 13    .8655    24  (7)
 14    .8601    25  (2)
 15    .8617    21  (4)
 16    .8707    21  (5)

 17    .8758    20  (5)


* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

  • Plus1 1
Link to comment
Just now, QMany said:

 

Did he say he was happy with the status quo? If so, it must have been in a different quote you didn't include.

It is a fact that Bo Pelini won the division several times. That doesn't mean I was happy with the status of the program when he left.

 

 

Bo did some good things at NU.  I really enjoyed watching those teams during the division championship seasons.  Yeah, it sucked when they lost the conference title game, especially the Wisconsin debacle.  I agree that I was becoming less happy with the direction of the program under Bo, and wasn't heartbroken when he was fired.

 

However, when I see the direction of the program under Riley, it looks much worse to me.

  • Plus1 2
Link to comment
23 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

If you have a more objective way to rate the classes, please let us all know.

 

And calling them "arbitrary" is to be willfully ignorant of how it works.

 

There is no system that does it justice, you know this.  Stop being difficult.  The only way to gauge a player in HS is by looking at their play at the next level, impossible.  And even that is hard to guage considering who they play for and talent surrounding them.

 

Pretending the player rankings is fail safe is being willfully ignorant.

Link to comment

Just now, 1995 Redux said:

 

There is no system that does it justice, you know this.  Stop being difficult.  The only way to gauge a player in HS is by looking at their play at the next level, impossible.  And even that is hard to guage considering who they play for and talent surrounding them.

 

Pretending the player rankings is fail safe is being willfully ignorant.

 

No.  Wanting to totally discount them is refusing to believe the facts in front of you.

 

Accusing me of saying or even thinking they are "fail safe" is a fiction created entirely by you.

 

Are they perfect?  Of course not.  Over a sufficiently large sample size are they a pretty good indicator?  Yes.  Are they the best we have to go on?  Yes.

  • Plus1 4
Link to comment
3 minutes ago, Mavric said:

Are they perfect?  Of course not.  Over a sufficiently large sample size are they a pretty good indicator?  Yes.  Are they the best we have to go on?  Yes.

 

And I don't didagree with this, so you saying 

Quote

 

If you have a more objective way to rate the classes, please let us all know.

Is just you trying to be snotty.  I was merely saying they don't  tell the whole story, same with on field records.

Link to comment
17 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Per 247 Composite:

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
 02    .8316    18  (2)
 03    .8316    19  (2)
 04    .8237    20  (2)
 05*   .8523    32  (7)
 06*   .8493    22  (5)
 07*   .8587    26  (6)
 08    .8449    29  (3)
 09    .8580    19  (2)
 10*   .8642    20  (5)
 11    .8832    21  (9)
 12    .8773    17  (8)
 13    .8655    24  (7)
 14    .8601    25  (2)
 15    .8617    21  (4)
 16    .8707    21  (5)

 17    .8758    20  (5)


* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

So the last 3 years of Bo had more 4 stars then Riley's first 3 years.  

Link to comment
53 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Per 247 Composite:

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
 02    .8316    18  (2)
 03    .8316    19  (2)
 04    .8237    20  (2)
 05*   .8523    32  (7)
 06*   .8493    22  (5)
 07*   .8587    26  (6)
 08    .8449    29  (3)
 09    .8580    19  (2)
 10*   .8642    20  (5)
 11    .8832    21  (9)
 12    .8773    17  (8)
 13    .8655    24  (7)
 14    .8601    25  (2)
 15    .8617    21  (4)
 16    .8707    21  (5)

 17    .8758    20  (5)


* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

 

Thanks for this.  I also added Rival's rankings and here is the new table.  Then I made some plots in JMP.

 

Class Average Recruit Ct #4* Rivals Rank Recruiter
 02  .8316  18  (2) 39 Solich
 03  .8316  19  (2) 42 Solich
 04  .8237  20  (2) 27 Callahan
 05* 0.8523  32  (7) 5 Callahan
 06* 0.8493  22  (5) 20 Callahan
 07* 0.8587  26  (6) 13 Callahan
 08  .8449  29  (3) 30 Callahan
 09  .8580  19  (2) 28 Pelini
 10* 0.8642  20  (5) 22 Pelini
 11  .8832  21  (9) 15 Pelini
 12  .8773  17  (8) 25 Pelini
 13  .8655  24  (7) 17 Pelini
 14  .8601  25  (2) 32 Pelini
 15  .8617  21  (4) 31 Pelini
 16  .8707  21  (5) 24 Riley
 17  .8758  20  (5) 20 Riley
18       51* Riley

 

I didn't count the current recruiting year since obviously that is not done yet.

 

It is close but at least in Average (not sure what that is) Riley is ahead of Pelini.  Same thing with Rival's ranking.  Riley is slightly lower/better.  Pelini has a slight edge on average # of 4* recruits (by 0.25 per year).  But it is indeed close no matter which way you slice it.

 

The things that stand out here are:

Callahan was by far the best recruiter by 'class rank' but is worse than Pelini or Riley by Average...

Solich had two really bad years recruiting right at the end

Callahan had an amazing 2005 class (inc. Suh).

Riley and Pelini are closer in recruiting performance on average than I expected

 

recruiting3.jpg

recruiting2.jpg

recruiting1.jpg

Edited by neepster
add more commentary
  • Plus1 2
Link to comment

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

Visit the Sports Illustrated Husker site



×
×
  • Create New...