B.B. Hemingway Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I apologise for the short answers. Responding from my phone while trying to help my wife run her booth at this craft show! Link to comment
NM11046 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 34 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said: Exhibition. Hobby. Investment. Not very many things hold value like guns. But mainly it's something I enjoy. So I have no idea - what does an automatic weapon cost? How many do you have? Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, NM11046 said: So I have no idea - what does an automatic weapon cost? How many do you have? I have three automatics. And price ranges greatly. Can be upward of $1,000. Link to comment
Landlord Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 52 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said: It's inaccurate because I don't think regulating the weapons would save lives a anymore than I think Trump's travel ban would (I was against that). With the travel ban, there was a ton of data/evidence informing the reality that the ban was unnecessary and that what we already have in place is very safe and effective. With gun culture and the ease of accessibility of these insanely powerful and dangerous weapons, there's hardly any data because the NRA won't allow it, but what does exist suggests that making it more difficult to own automatic weapons would help some people not die. At the end of the day, I guess I just don't get the concept of, "No way, I'm not giving these up for anything." There's nothing that I own for fun/enjoyment/because it's cool that I care about that much to hold onto at all costs. Link to comment
NM11046 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 2 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said: I have three automatics. And price ranges greatly. Can be upward of $1,000. So do you take them all out like weekly to shoot? Is there one that you like better than another? Do they each offer different things? (not asking any of this in a snide way - just honestly don't understand why a private citizen would have 3 automatic weapons) Link to comment
zoogs Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I think there are two very distinct issues here. What stops an event of terrorism? One guy with a gun finding the softest target he can and wreaking havoc? I don't know think it's possible to stop this completely. Does America have an epidemic of gun violence, though? Well, emphatically, yes. More guns, more gun violence. A lot of this manifests itself in other ways. Single or small numbers of victims. Suicides. Etc. I'd challenge "99% of gun owners are responsible with them". 99% don't commit mass murder, but that's a different question. From a public health perspective, guns are a risk factor. Not an insignificant one. Link to comment
Dbqgolfer Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 3:50 PM, B.B. Hemingway said: I have three automatics. And price ranges greatly. Can be upward of $1,000. You keep saying automatics, but do you mean semi-automatics? Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, Dbqgolfer said: You keep saying automatics, but do you mean semi-automatics? Yeah, always get referred to as 'autos' around here, because, well I can't say we actually see any around here. Not my circle anyways. Edit: Do you own any true automatics? Hard to get here in MIssouri Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Well, that didn’t last long. 1 Link to comment
Dbqgolfer Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 17 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said: Yeah, always get referred to as 'autos' around here, because, well I can't say we actually see any around here. Not my circle anyways. Edit: Do you own any true automatics? Hard to get here in MIssouri No I don't. As they are basically illegal, I'm sure they're hard to get anywhere. Link to comment
Kiyoat Husker Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 1:09 PM, B.B. Hemingway said: I think it becomes hard to surrender this particular civil freedom because 99.9999% of gun owners are responsible with them. I don't think that number stands up to scrutiny, depending on what exactly you mean by "responsible". I assume you mean gun owners who have legally obtained their guns. There are a lot of ways you can splice this out, but at least one recent article from the Washington Post agrees with your basic premise: that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by illegally obtained guns. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.62817ece4d16 Quote [...] in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime. [...] A number of factors could lead to legal firearms entering the black market. Owners could misplace them, or they could be stolen — either through carelessness on the owner's part (leaving a gun in an unlocked car, for instance) or determination on the part of thieves. It's also likely that many guns on the black market got there via straw purchases — where a person purchases a gun from a dealer without disclosing that they're buying it for someone else. [...] in 1998, more than 85 percent of gun dealers had no guns used in crimes trace back to them. By contrast, 1 percent of dealers accounted for nearly 6 in 10 crime gun traces that year. The firearms bureau knows exactly who these gun dealers are — but they're not allowed to share that information with policymakers or researchers due to a law passed by Congress in 2003. So if the premise is that the vast majority (not 99.9999%) of gun owners are not responsible for the huge numbers of gun crimes in America - and 1% of gun dealers account for 60% of the guns used in crimes, I can see some very simple steps that could reduce the guns going to the "bad guys". While preserving the rights of lawful and responsible gun owners. Unfortunately, the NRA fights very hard to not give one inch on anything, so nothing meaningful is going to happen. Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 And this will get swept up with the rest of yesterday's news and discarded. Remember how the NRA was going to help eliminate bump stocks? It's been 3 1/2 months. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Meanwhile, this happened on Tucker Carlson last night. He just threw it out there & provided nothing to back it up. Yet another of example Fox News fear mongering. Link to comment
Moiraine Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 For several years now my opinion of the House of Representatives is that it's just a bunch of high schoolers who won a popularity contest in their little locale and they're all really, really dumb. 1 Link to comment
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