Saunders Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, StPaulHusker said: It was broken. It just wasn't in shambles like 07 or potentially this year We can debate semantics, but the truth is that team wasn't nearly as bad as it is now or in 2007. 1 Quote Link to comment
Undone Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, knapplc said: Are you familiar with Husker fans? They haven't been patient with Solich, Callahan, Pelini and now Riley. The talk about firing the last three guys started within the first two years they were hired, and within Solich's first three. The voices grew louder each year until poof! they were gone. In the thread announcing the hiring of the new coach there will be much lamenting that we didn't hire __________ other guy, and we'll be reminded by those naysayers that we didn't hire the right guy each time the new coach loses a game. You're listing some very sound rhetorical descriptions of us all, yes. I think that the Riley hire was confusing in large part because of his age. How long would/should we be willing to give a guy that was 62 when his first game was played as head coach just to be competitive at winning the West division? It's a hard question to answer with a lot of specificity, but in my opinion it's not hard to ball park it. Riley's downfall was bringing in his 'average to bad' assistants. And this is not overly critical or condescending of him; he has now fired his secondary coach, his defensive line coach, and his defensive coordinator, correct? He had to - They weren't coaches that could take your team into the Top 10. They weren't even coaches that could take your team into the Top 25! Frost does make sense as the guy we'd *have to* be patient with. 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, teachercd said: Deveany needs to go, that position is pointless. New system, yes I get that but honestly like I have said over and over, it doesn't take that long to get a new system in if you are not trying to make it the most complex thing in the world. Recruits leaving...sure that will happen. That was Riley throwing a good buddy of his a few thousand $ a year. I think it would be funny if Moos brought Devaney into his office next week and asked him Office Space-style "What exactly do you do here?" Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said: Alabama had 10 HC's (Including interims) between Bear Bryant and Nick Saban Wow, 10? Shula Stallings Price (Sort of) DuBose Franchione? Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, teachercd said: Wow, 10? Shula Stallings Price (Sort of) DuBose Franchione? Perkins, Curry, Stallings (who did win a NC) were also in there. EDIT-Didn't see Stalling in your original post, my bad. Edited October 17, 2017 by ColoradoHusk Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, teachercd said: Wow, 10? Shula Stallings Price (Sort of) DuBose Franchione? Ray Perkins 83-86 Bill Curry 87-89 Gene Stallings 90-96 Mike DuBose 97-00 Dennis Franchione 01-02 Mike Price 03 Mike Shula 03-06 Joe Kines 06 (Interim) Sorry. 8 HC's. Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said: Ray Perkins 83-86 Bill Curry 87-89 Gene Stallings 90-96 Mike DuBose 97-00 Dennis Franchione 01-02 Mike Price 03 Mike Shula 03-06 Joe Kines 06 (Interim) Sorry. 8 HC's. Price...for like that one night! Oh man..strippers...they get you every dang time! Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, teachercd said: Price...for like that one night! Oh man..strippers...they get you every dang time! And now he is the interim HC at UTEP Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, StPaulHusker said: And now he is the interim HC at UTEP Really? Man...I didn't know that. The coaching world sure does take care of their own. Quote Link to comment
zoogs Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 25 minutes ago, knapplc said: Are you familiar with Husker fans? They haven't been patient with Solich, Callahan, Pelini and now Riley. The talk about firing the last three guys started within the first two years they were hired, and within Solich's first three. The voices grew louder each year until poof! they were gone. In the thread announcing the hiring of the new coach there will be much lamenting that we didn't hire __________ other guy, and we'll be reminded by those naysayers that we didn't hire the right guy each time the new coach loses a game. What can I say, I’m hopeful to the point of obstinacy. 1 Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, zoogs said: What can I say, I’m hopeful to the point of obstinacy. I prefer that to other Husker fans, who are obstinate in their unhopefulness. 3 Quote Link to comment
zoogs Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Man, we’ve really gone from “build a support staff like Alabama” to “Billy Devaney has a useless role” just to make Riley a total devil, eh. 5 Quote Link to comment
Saunders Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, zoogs said: Man, we’ve really gone from “build a support staff like Alabama” to “Billy Devaney has a useless role” just to make Riley a total devil, eh. I don't know if it's that far, but I do question our ROI on some of these guys. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, Saunders said: I don't know if it's that far, but I do question our ROI on some of these guys. It's been less than a season for most of them Quote Link to comment
Undone Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, zoogs said: Man, we’ve really gone from “build a support staff like Alabama” to “Billy Devaney has a useless role” just to make Riley a total devil, eh. Riley has taken strides to build the necessary support staff to a large extent. He's gotten the process rolling with the changes he's made on the defensive side of the ball. But his offensive line coach seems to have been a pretty big hindrance. Would he have made more changes at the end of this season if we wind up going 6-6? Maybe. And maybe the university administration got wind of conversations he had with Eichorst over the last few months in which Riley made it clear that he would not. Those are the types of things that get an AD and head coach fired. Pure speculation on my part, pure speculation. But Riley has a long ways to go before his supporting cast is developing talent to the extent that we're able to compete even just with Wisconsin and Iowa. How long would we have given him to make these changes at 64? Edited October 17, 2017 by Undone Quote Link to comment
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