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4 minutes ago, Packerhuskerfan said:

He could still coach their bowl while still being announced as Neb. Head coach.  It has happened before in fcs.

0% chance we would agree to this.

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1 minute ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

I have not, but I agree with you. Anywhere he can hide from the national spotlight is a better place for Bo.

Whatever.  He belongs in the SEC.  He got the SEC fire that everyone of their fans have.  Their fan bases would be like, "This guy gets it, look at his fire!"

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6 minutes ago, irafreak said:

Alright...the other day a poster was convinced Bo had a mental disorder. Clearly some of you don't really understand the difference between disease and personality. Bo is an emotional guy. That plays to his advantage to motivate his players. It also is a double edged sword when he faces conflict. Bo struggled to handle the pressure in the right way. Most of us would as well. I see Pelini as a guy that wants to feel appreciated for his hard work. We've learned that some of his complaints about his superiors were pretty accurate. 

 

The guy isn't a bad coach or a bad person. We got to see him at his worst as he was under high stress. Most of us aren't proud of our worst. Enough ragging on the guy. You haven't seen bat $hit crazy if you believe that describes a pelini tirade...

 

As someone in the field, I've got to say that what he was doing was at an extreme. Getting that worked up is something that even at your worst should probably raise an eyebrow. You couldn't diagnose him or anything, but it's easy to say he probably would benefit from his emotion regulation.  

 

If anyone on this board handles pressure and stress like, they should know that it's something people can help you with. 

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7 minutes ago, Vizsla1 said:

Isn't it amazing how fast time is traveling away from those guys, and how slow it is traveling waiting for Coach Frost?  It is like Christmas as a kid.  Now, as an adult, it is almost like you go towed, wake up and it is another holiday.  You lose all that magic of a holiday-- but not this Sunday/Monday-- I am giddy like a school kid.  I wonder if Coach frost will speak during the Nebraska-Kansas basketball game?

 

Man this probably seems crazy, but the hope of Frost puts me in a great mood all day.  I'm typically in an ok to good mood, but I'm way happier than usual now.  

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2 minutes ago, swmohusker said:

Whatever.  He belongs in the SEC.  He got the SEC fire that everyone of their fans have.  Their fan bases would be like, "This guy gets it, look at his fire!"

 

Maybe a less demanding SEC school (Vanderbilt?). The spotlight/fish bowl was too much for him. That much seems fairly obvious doesn't it? He was emotionally/mentally falling apart those last couple years. I can't imagine how his family felt watching that.

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3 minutes ago, swmohusker said:

Whatever.  He belongs in the SEC.  He got the SEC fire that everyone of their fans have.  Their fan bases would be like, "This guy gets it, look at his fire!"

I would enjoy seeing how the fans love the fire and how he loves the fans.  With what happened at YSU this year, what would be painted on the while rock at UT?  There was a conviction in Bo's situation.  Schiano's situation was a third party allegation.  

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Just now, BIG ERN said:

Gundy turned down 6 year $42M at Tennessee. Confused why he even went to the interview if you turn down that deal.... 

 

I think he likes the attention. His name is out there every other year it seems. Could of been hunting for a raise, too. The Vols were going to double his salary, surely OSU will give him a bump.

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1 minute ago, BIG ERN said:

Gundy turned down 6 year $42M at Tennessee. Confused why he even went to the interview if you turn down that deal.... 

He has always been the biggest flirt in the coaching market.  His name is attached to seemingly every opening.

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6 minutes ago, Warrior10 said:

0% chance we would agree to this.

Why?  I know all about the recruiting aspect and getting here etc. but this is such an unusual circumstance. Winning every game in your division, then if they do win  their CCG knowing you won't be allowed to coach these boys that you've spent the last two years developing for an opportunity to have a perfect season? I don't know. (And I'm asking sincerely 'why') I think that would be agonizing for Scott.  But he is an adult and there are always consequences to any decision that we make in life.  But I would like to know why this would be impossible.

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1 minute ago, ladyhawke said:

Why?  I know all about the recruiting aspect and getting here etc. but this is such an unusual circumstance. Winning every game in your division, then if they do win  their CCG knowing you won't be allowed to coach these boys that you've spent the last two years developing for an opportunity to have a perfect season? I don't know. (And I'm asking sincerely 'why') I think that would be agonizing for Scott.  But he is an adult and there are always consequences to any decision that we make in life.  But I would like to know why this would be impossible.

 

This program needs immediate attention. If he wants the Nebraska job, he needs to get here and actually do the job. To hell with sentiment.

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4 minutes ago, ladyhawke said:

Why?  I know all about the recruiting aspect and getting here etc. but this is such an unusual circumstance. Winning every game in your division, then if they do win  their CCG knowing you won't be allowed to coach these boys that you've spent the last two years developing for an opportunity to have a perfect season? I don't know. (And I'm asking sincerely 'why') I think that would be agonizing for Scott.  But he is an adult and there are always consequences to any decision that we make in life.  But I would like to know why this would be impossible.

Bowl games really dont matter. I dont blame any future pro player for not playing them and I wouldnt blame a coach for not coaching in it.  The game is 3-4 weeks removed from the end of your season, and is a celebration for the players that made it. It is nice to make a big bowl and it helps in recruiting, but all the advantages of going to and winning a bowl game disappear if you are not going to be there next year.  

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9 minutes ago, El Straino said:

When I clicked on this thread I don't remember it saying Bo Pelini Mega thread.  Obviously it should be about Hot Carl Pelini.

 

Yuck.  I just threw up in your mouth a little. 

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10 hours ago, krc1995 said:

and I think those firings were coincidence and incidental.  The Frost want began well before either of those firings and it was just a matter of taking care of University business.   

But it was on a far smaller scale than it is now. This thread wasn't started until after Eichorst was fired and the first 15 pages are a lot of hemming and hawing about whether Frost is good enough to be here. The thread didn't start to take off until Oct. 15th (Moos' hiring) when Frost was only 5-0.

 

I would not extrapolate Huskerboard's passion and interest into the entire fan base. I'm sure Frost was on Moos' radar from the beginning but it's silly to think that's who he was hired to hire. Nebraska just happens to be the potential fortunate benefactor of their own team going 4-8 and Frost going undefeated. This fan base would be singing a far different tune if Frost had lost 3-4 games after Moos was hired.

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3 minutes ago, Enhance said:

But it was on a far smaller scale than it is now. This thread wasn't started until after Eichorst was fired and the first 15 pages are a lot of hemming and hawing about whether Frost is good enough to be here. The thread didn't start to take off until Oct. 15th (Moos' hiring) when Frost was only 5-0.

 

I would not extrapolate Huskerboard's passion and interest into the entire fan base. I'm sure Frost was on Moos' radar from the beginning but it's silly to think that's who he was hired to hire. Nebraska just happens to be the potential fortunate benefactor of their own team going 4-8 and Frost going undefeated. This fan base would be singing a far different tune if Frost had lost 3-4 games after Moos was hired.

Exactly. The stars have aligned but things could have played out very differently.

 

This whole thing is almost supernatural the way it has all fallen into place.

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5 minutes ago, swmohusker said:

Bowl games really dont matter. I dont blame any future pro player for not playing them and I wouldnt blame a coach for not coaching in it.  The game is 3-4 weeks removed from the end of your season, and is a celebration for the players that made it. It is nice to make a big bowl and it helps in recruiting, but all the advantages of going to and winning a bowl game disappear if you are not going to be there next year.  

Ok, thanks!:)

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4 minutes ago, Enhance said:

But it was on a far smaller scale than it is now. This thread wasn't started until after Eichorst was fired and the first 15 pages are a lot of hemming and hawing about whether Frost is good enough to be here. The thread didn't start to take off until Oct. 15th (Moos' hiring) when Frost was only 5-0.

 

I would not extrapolate Huskerboard's passion and interest into the entire fan base. I'm sure Frost was on Moos' radar from the beginning but it's silly to think that's who he was hired to hire. Nebraska just happens to be the potential fortunate benefactor of their own team going 4-8 and Frost going undefeated. This fan base would be singing a far different tune if Frost had lost 3-4 games after Moos was hired.

 

Agreed. If you have listened to a handful of Moos' interviews/press conferences you understand why they hired the man. As off the radar as it was, it seems like one hell of a hire at this point.

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1 minute ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

Agreed. If you have listened to a handful of Moos' interviews/press conferences you understand why they hired the man. As off the radar as it was, it seems like one hell of a hire at this point.

Exactly. He has a track record of success, he's uncommonly personable, has hired very successful football coaches and appears to have great leadership qualities.

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2 minutes ago, Enhance said:

Exactly. He has a track record of success, he's uncommonly personable, has hired very successful football coaches and appears to have great leadership qualities.

 

Honestly, the only complaint I have about Moos is his age. And it's not because I think he's too old to do his job, I just wish he was 10-15 years younger so he could be here that much longer. :lol:   I've been very impressed with him.

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Agree about Moos, but I'd say the jury is still out, for now. If he indeed has Frost coming back, he'll definitely be a surprising Husker legend in his own right, but as of now, good rumors notwithstanding, that remains to be seen.

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A couple of thoughts about Frost coaching their bowl game:

a) his contract gives him $100K bonus for making a "major bowl game" (I'm guessing a Jan. 1 bowl qualifies). His contract gives him another $100K for winning that bowl game.

b) that is chicken feed, compared to his contract at NU and he can likely be persuaded to walk away early, from a financial standpoint.

c) being a guy that is loyal and has integrity, he could feel that (regardless of his next team/job) he owes it to these players to coach them through the bowl game. (Can we imagine Tom Osborne leaving Nebraska before a bowl game for a higher paying gig somewhere else?)

d) being allowed to stay and coach UCF's bowl game would also probably depend on UCF wanting him to do that. They may want to name a coordinator the interim head coach and move on more quickly than Scott Frost does. So even if (c) is true, it takes both sides to agree to that happening

e) from a "what's best for SF's brand" standpoint, I think there is more downside for him if he stays and loses the bowl game. If he walks away and UCF loses, it looks like they could not win without SF at the helm. If they win, it is still the program that SF built, just coached by one of his coordinators. How much more is his badge polished if he stays and wins? I think there is way more downside than upside to him staying

f) Frankly, Scott Frosts "brand" really shifts to Nebraska following this championship game (win or lose). So how much time and recruits is he going to be willing to lose for his next gig? I'm guessing not much.

 

Prediction: He is ours after the championship game and does not coach his bowl game. I'm less certain on what storyline is going to be on WHY that did not happen.

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4 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

A couple of thoughts about Frost coaching their bowl game:

a) his contract gives him $100K bonus for making a "major bowl game" (I'm guessing a Jan. 1 bowl qualifies). His contract gives him another $100K for winning that bowl game.

b) that is chicken feed, compared to his contract at NU and he can likely be persuaded to walk away early, from a financial standpoint.

c) being a guy that is loyal and has integrity, he could feel that (regardless of his next team/job) he owes it to these players to coach them through the bowl game. (Can we imagine Tom Osborne leaving Nebraska before a bowl game for a higher paying gig somewhere else?)

d) being allowed to stay and coach UCF's bowl game would also probably depend on UCF wanting him to do that. They may want to name a coordinator the interim head coach and move on more quickly than Scott Frost does. So even if (c) is true, it takes both sides to agree to that happening

e) from a "what's best for SF's brand" standpoint, I think there is more downside for him if he stays and loses the bowl game. If he walks away and UCF loses, it looks like they could not win without SF at the helm. If they win, it is still the program that SF built, just coached by one of his coordinators. How much more is his badge polished if he stays and wins? I think there is way more downside than upside to him staying

f) Frankly, Scott Frosts "brand" really shifts to Nebraska following this championship game (win or lose). So how much time and recruits is he going to be willing to lose for his next gig? I'm guessing not much.

 

Prediction: He is ours after the championship game and does not coach his bowl game. I'm less certain on what storyline is going to be on WHY that did not happen.

d is a very good point that I had not considered.  It could very well be that after Scott makes his announcement that he's choosing Nebraska that UCF will want to move in and their bowl game would be the first game of their 'new' season under their new coach.

Thanks cheeky geek-good information.

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26 minutes ago, swmohusker said:

Bowl games really dont matter. I dont blame any future pro player for not playing them and I wouldnt blame a coach for not coaching in it.  The game is 3-4 weeks removed from the end of your season, and is a celebration for the players that made it. It is nice to make a big bowl and it helps in recruiting, but all the advantages of going to and winning a bowl game disappear if you are not going to be there next year.  

 

I agree with this.  Isn't it nuts that this is how we decide a national championship?  Let's take a month off then go ahead and play a game to decides who is the champ.  

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4 minutes ago, dspanther05 said:

 

I agree with this.  Isn't it nuts that this is how we decide a national championship?  Let's take a month off then go ahead and play a game to decides who is the champ.  

You'd want to give the kids time off for Christmas but you could play round 1 of the playoff 2 weeks after the CCGs then the NCG could be played 2 weeks after that. Give the team's time to rest and prepare but don't take them completely out of the rhythm of the season. In this system everything would be wrapped up on the weekend of NY

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49 minutes ago, ladyhawke said:

Why?  I know all about the recruiting aspect and getting here etc. but this is such an unusual circumstance. Winning every game in your division, then if they do win  their CCG knowing you won't be allowed to coach these boys that you've spent the last two years developing for an opportunity to have a perfect season? I don't know. (And I'm asking sincerely 'why') I think that would be agonizing for Scott.  But he is an adult and there are always consequences to any decision that we make in life.  But I would like to know why this would be impossible.

You’re right, .... Frost will do what he wants regarding the Bowl game.

 

Moos isn’t stupid.

 

Next year will be tough for any coach; it’ll take time to get back to where it needs to be. No reason to pacify a few rabid fans now.

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Danny Kanell said UCF might be a better job than Nebraska. Tell me if there is something I'm missing.

 

Facilities: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Fan Support: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Money: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Recruiting: Nebraska (UCF closer to talent, but there is a reason that we've out recruited them every year since recruiting rankings were invented)

Conference: Nebraska (C'mon)

History: Nebraska (C'mon)

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1 hour ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

Maybe a less demanding SEC school (Vanderbilt?). The spotlight/fish bowl was too much for him. That much seems fairly obvious doesn't it? He was emotionally/mentally falling apart those last couple years. I can't imagine how his family felt watching that.

 

The spotlight is different in the SEC--if you're winning, then you can get away with eating your first born, as the end justifies the means with many of their fans. If Pelini comes into Tennessee and wins, he could pimp slap the entirety of Neyland Stadium, talk s*** about them all day in the media, and make sacrifices to Satan at midfield and they'll still love him. 

 

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Just now, FrantzHardySwag said:

Danny Kanell said UCF might be a better job than Nebraska. Tell me if there is something I'm missing.

 

Facilities: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Fan Support: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Money: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Recruiting: Nebraska (UCF closer to talent, but there is a reason that we've out recruited them every year since recruiting rankings were invented)

Conference: Nebraska (C'mon)

History: Nebraska (C'mon)

 

Wasn't he the one who did color for the Iowa game and was so impressed with our crowd???????  Yes.  Yes, he was.

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1 minute ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Danny Kanell said UCF might be a better job than Nebraska. Tell me if there is something I'm missing.

 

Facilities: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Fan Support: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Money: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Recruiting: Nebraska (UCF closer to talent, but there is a reason that we've out recruited them every year since recruiting rankings were invented)

Conference: Nebraska (C'mon)

History: Nebraska (C'mon)

Anyone who says that is idiotic. Don't confuse recent program success to a better job. It may be an easier place to win a lot because it's a step down in competition. I bet Saban would kill it at UCF, but he wouldn't win any Nattys there 

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I’m to the point now where I think Frost is for certain N, but if we miss him I will be very happy with Fuente. The Moos has my full confidence.

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1 minute ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Danny Kanell said UCF might be a better job than Nebraska. Tell me if there is something I'm missing.

 

Facilities: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Fan Support: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Money: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Recruiting: Nebraska (UCF closer to talent, but there is a reason that we've out recruited them every year since recruiting rankings were invented)

Conference: Nebraska (C'mon)

History: Nebraska (C'mon)

Easier place to win: UCF

Stress Level: UCF

Current State of the Program: UCF

Program Potential (if UCF is bumped up to power 5): UCF

Realistic Expectations: UCF

 

I don't agree with him, but there are definitely some positives in UCF's favor.

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1 minute ago, STL Husker said:

Easier place to win: UCF

Stress Level: UCF

Current State of the Program: UCF

Program Potential (if UCF is bumped up to power 5): UCF

Realistic Expectations: UCF

 

I don't agree with him, but there are definitely some positives in UCF's favor.

And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. I'd debate program potential if they were in a power 5, but they're not, and there is no sign that they will be. Program potential leans heavy Nebraska.

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1 minute ago, STL Husker said:

Easier place to win: UCF

Stress Level: UCF

Current State of the Program: UCF

Program Potential (if UCF is bumped up to power 5): UCF

Realistic Expectations: UCF

 

I don't agree with him, but there are definitely some positives in UCF's favor.

 

Easier place to win... what??? Conference games? A G5 conference championship? Yeah, I'll give you that. But you're not winning anything of significance at UCF. And even IF (HUGE IF) they become a Power 5 team, I don't necessarily agree that they are superior in program potential.

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2 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. I'd debate program potential if they were in a power 5, but they're not, and there is no sign that they will be. Program potential leans heavy Nebraska.

I know that one is a reach, but if he stayed, there's no reason for him to believe he couldn't sustain a high level of success.  They are in a top 20 TV market and in a state that a lot of conferences would love to gain a share/bigger share of.  I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see UCF and USF joining a power 5 conference together at some point.  If that happens then a lot Nebraska's advantages are diminished.  Again, I don't agree, but this is probably the biggest thing they can sell to a big time coach.

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Just now, STL Husker said:

I know that one is a reach, but if he stayed, there's no reason for him to believe he couldn't sustain a high level of success.  They are in a top 20 TV market and in a state that a lot of conferences would love to gain a share/bigger share of.  I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see UCF and USF joining a power 5 conference together at some point.  If that happens then a lot Nebraska's advantages are diminished.  Again, I don't agree, but this is probably the biggest thing they can sell to a big time coach.

Yeah but I'm not so sure Florida, FSU, Miami would allow UCF into a power 5 league. I can see your advantages - but I think that debate is more so: Do you want to reach the pinnacle of your profession or do you want to be comfortable.

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11 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. 

 

Unless your aunt was transgender and identified as female. 

 

But hey, let's get back to making broad generalizations about programs instead of making intelligent, nuanced discussion points about the topic. UCF has a legitimate shot at a P5 conference, but only when Oklahoma and (Texass/Kansas) bolt the Big XII for the B1G after the GOR expires. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

This program needs immediate attention. If he wants the Nebraska job, he needs to get here and actually do the job. To hell with sentiment.

If I remember correctly,  we allowed Bo to go back and coach LSU'S National Championship game after we hired him as our HC. 

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1 hour ago, BIG ERN said:

Gundy turned down 6 year $42M at Tennessee. Confused why he even went to the interview if you turn down that deal.... 

Always interview. I think Frost might have made a small mistake in not sitting down with Florida.

20 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Danny Kanell said UCF might be a better job than Nebraska. Tell me if there is something I'm missing.

 

Facilities: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Fan Support: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Money: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Recruiting: Nebraska (UCF closer to talent, but there is a reason that we've out recruited them every year since recruiting rankings were invented)

Conference: Nebraska (C'mon)

History: Nebraska (C'mon)

Also keep in mind the bias: Kanell is from Florida (the state) and played in Florida, so it's not surprising he thinks Florida is better than Nebraska. And that influences how he views UCF vs UNL.

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1 hour ago, BIG ERN said:

Gundy turned down 6 year $42M at Tennessee. Confused why he even went to the interview if you turn down that deal.... 

I explained this yesterday. Coaches and their agents know that they can scare their current employer into giving them a raise and/or contract extension by being linked with high-dollar job openings. The funny thing is (as I linked to yesterday) this coach (Gundy) did this exact same thing, to the exact same school (Tennessee), back in 2012.
Fool me ONCE, shame on you. Fool me TWICE...

 

This is why Tennessee is now REALLY behind the 8-ball. They have to question whether ANY coach who expresses interest in their program is playing them like Gundy did, or seriously interested in the job.

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10 minutes ago, Dbqgolfer said:

If I remember correctly,  we allowed Bo to go back and coach LSU'S National Championship game after we hired him as our HC. 

Key differences are 1) that he was a coordinator at LSU so he wasn’t trying to run 2 programs at once, and 2) the early signing date in DEC that went into effect this year. Back then you could pull double duty because no one could sign until early FEB and you could use the bowl game in late DEC/early JAN as publicity for your new recruits. Now you have to be able to go full out over just 3 weeks in DEC to build a staff and recruit like crazy to salvage the remaining members of this class to ensure they don’t defect to another school on the early signing day. Not to mention getting in enough on the other recruits you want to make them reconsider and delay their decision until early FEB so you have a chance to fill out the class with some talented players.

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6 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

I explained this yesterday. Coaches and their agents know that they can scare their current employer into giving them a raise and/or contract extension by being linked with high-dollar job openings. The funny thing is (as I linked to yesterday) this coach (Gundy) did this exact same thing, to the exact same school (Tennessee), back in 2012.
Fool me ONCE, shame on you. Fool me TWICE...

 

This is why Tennessee is now REALLY behind the 8-ball. They have to question whether ANY coach who expresses interest in their program is playing them like Gundy did, or seriously interested in the job.

Has Gundy got an extension based on this. I hadn’t heard anything about that

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1 hour ago, BIG ERN said:

Gundy turned down 6 year $42M at Tennessee. Confused why he even went to the interview if you turn down that deal.... 

 

Deflects from his 3 losses this year - all at home I believe. Poke fans are now happy he is there and completely forget about their complaints earlier this year of being unable to win the big games. Great PR move by Gundy to keep his name relevant.

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34 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Danny Kanell said UCF might be a better job than Nebraska. Tell me if there is something I'm missing.

 

Facilities: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Fan Support: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Money: Nebraska (Not even a discussion)

Recruiting: Nebraska (UCF closer to talent, but there is a reason that we've out recruited them every year since recruiting rankings were invented)

Conference: Nebraska (C'mon)

History: Nebraska (C'mon)

 

Your first mistake was listening to Danny Kanell. 

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1 hour ago, Crusader Husker said:

Bo is at the perfect school for him.  If you have been to Youngstown you know it fits him.

Very true. Growing up in Youngstown I can tell you his personality is 100% Youngstown. The city is very ethnic. Once they lost the steel mills in the late 70s it ended up similar to the depression! Everyone is extremely genuine but they have an enormous chip on their shoulder. An "us against the world" mentality. Always looking to get screwed somehow. It will always be home to me but I had to get out. Youngstown is as blue collar as it gets in this country.

Not to mention the mafia ties......but thats another story....

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