teachercd Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, TonyStalloni said: Last I heard he was alive. There is no chance for the death penalty in New York. That makes it even worse. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 11 hours ago, teachercd said: That makes it even worse. I disagree. The religious nuts want to die, be remembered as a martyr, and go to whatever afterlife. Letting them live long enough to be forgotten is a much more fitting penalty. 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, RedDenver said: I disagree. The religious nuts want to die, be remembered as a martyr, and go to whatever afterlife. Letting them live long enough to be forgotten is a much more fitting penalty. Yeah, you have a good point. Perhaps the middle ground is an execution that no one knows about. Link to comment
Fru Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 53 minutes ago, teachercd said: Yeah, you have a good point. Perhaps the middle ground is an execution that no one knows about. How about a lobotomy? Threat is neutralized and he is still alive. Link to comment
teachercd Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, Fru said: How about a lobotomy? Threat is neutralized and he is still alive. I would be more than okay with that. Link to comment
Fru Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, teachercd said: I would be more than okay with that. Not to derail the thread, but I've had that discussion with friends before, mainly just as a devil's advocate, philosophical, bullsh!ttin around kind of conversation. It usually elicits some pretty interesting discourse. Link to comment
teachercd Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Fru said: Not to derail the thread, but I've had that discussion with friends before, mainly just as a devil's advocate, philosophical, bullsh!ttin around kind of conversation. It usually elicits some pretty interesting discourse. Shoot, Kennedy Sr had it done to his daughter! Link to comment
Fru Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, teachercd said: Shoot, Kennedy Sr had it done to his daughter! Lol I meant more as a solution to the death penalty debate. Rosemary's story is pretty devastating and to my knowledge wasn't done as a punishment, but was a fairly popular medical "procedure" at the time. 1 Link to comment
Kiyoat Husker Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 17 hours ago, commando said: don't worry.....that list will grow I wonder how big that list can get? Here's a list of the countries ISIS fighters are from (as of a year ago according to one academic study): https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/08/foreign-fighters-isis/493622/ 1. Tunisia 6,000 2. Saudi Arabia 2,500 3. Russia 2,400 4. Turkey 2,100 5. Jordan 2,000 6. France 1,700 7. Morocco 1,200 8. Lebanon 900 9. Germany 760 10. UK 760 11. Indonesia 700 12. Egypt 600 13. Belgium 470 14. Tajikistan 386 15. Bosnia 330 and this is just the top-15. There are many more, including most of Europe. And here is a list of country-of-origin of Terrorists committing attacks in the US: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/trump-immigration-ban-terrorism/514361/ 1. Saudi Arabia (2369 murders) 2. UAB (314 murders) 3. Egypt (162) 4. Lebanon (159) 5. Kuwait (6) 6. Cuba/Kyrgyzstan/Pakistan (3) 7. Palestine (2) 8. Armenia/Croatia/Taiwan/Trinidad (1) 9. 30+ other countries (0 murders) obviously my point is that the travel ban is futile. We would have to ban half of the earth. 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Fru said: Lol I meant more as a solution to the death penalty debate. Rosemary's story is pretty devastating and to my knowledge wasn't done as a punishment, but was a fairly popular medical "procedure" at the time. Ha...Yeah I know what you meant and I would be fine with it. I think if you hurt someone...you should be hurt. And yeah, back then it was pretty normal and of course senior didn't want anything f'ing up the Kennedy name Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Kiyoat Husker said: I wonder how big that list can get? Here's a list of the countries ISIS fighters are from (as of a year ago according to one academic study): https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/08/foreign-fighters-isis/493622/ 1. Tunisia 6,000 2. Saudi Arabia 2,500 3. Russia 2,400 4. Turkey 2,100 5. Jordan 2,000 6. France 1,700 7. Morocco 1,200 8. Lebanon 900 9. Germany 760 10. UK 760 11. Indonesia 700 12. Egypt 600 13. Belgium 470 14. Tajikistan 386 15. Bosnia 330 and this is just the top-15. There are many more, including most of Europe. And here is a list of country-of-origin of Terrorists committing attacks in the US: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/trump-immigration-ban-terrorism/514361/ 1. Saudi Arabia (2369 murders) 2. UAB (314 murders) 3. Egypt (162) 4. Lebanon (159) 5. Kuwait (6) 6. Cuba/Kyrgyzstan/Pakistan (3) 7. Palestine (2) 8. Armenia/Croatia/Taiwan/Trinidad (1) 9. 30+ other countries (0 murders) obviously my point is that the travel ban is futile. We would have to ban half of the earth. Regardless, isn't further restricting immigration just going to make the rest of the world dislike us even more? Practically, building a bubble around the people that are already here isn't going to protect us. It's going to inflame and embolden the people who wish to do us harm. But I guess it will also make some people feel better, until it doesn't... And since we're apparently governing on the basis of "feels over reals" now... 1 Link to comment
Kiyoat Husker Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dudeguyy said: Regardless, isn't further restricting immigration just going to make the rest of the world dislike us even more? Practically, building a bubble around the people that are already here isn't going to protect us. It's going to inflame and embolden the people who wish to do us harm.... Definitely. In fact, the article I linked identified a "failure of muslim immigrants to integrate in society" as the major factor influencing the high rates of enlistment into ISIS for European countries. Nordic countries rated high in "percent of muslim population enlisting". Nordic countries are also highly culturally homogenous, and difficult to integrate into for dark-skinned muslims. The harder we push the needy (i.e. refugees) of the world away, the worse our problem becomes. Edited November 1, 2017 by Kiyoat Husker 1 Link to comment
Kiyoat Husker Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-shooting-uzbekistan/new-york-attack-suspect-an-uzbek-immigrant-turned-to-religion-in-u-s-associate-idUSKBN1D13U0 Quote “He became religious on the spur of the moment,” Mirrakhmat Muminov, a truck driver and Uzbek community activist who lives in Stow, Ohio, told Reuters by phone. [...] “He started studying religion in the United States,” said Muminov, adding that Saipov “couldn’t get enough” of the religious freedoms enjoyed in the United States after living in the strict confines of Uzbekistan. [...] Muminov [...] painted a picture of a man who was struggling to make it in the United States, had few friends and poor communication and English language skills. ”He was withdrawn, nervous, sometimes aggressive. Because of that he was lonely, he lived in his own world. He was not very popular,” said Muminov. He said Saipov’s English was poor and he did not speak Russian very well. [...] I know we don't have all the details yet, but it sounds to me like the major problem with this guy was integration into society, like many that ISIS brainwashes with online propaganda. Not a problem that immigration restrictions will solve IMHO. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Pretty sure this is the type of crap that got us the PATRIOT Act. 3 Link to comment
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