The Democrat Utopia

[GBR0988]

Just now, deedsker said:

People rioting after an election. Seems American, not anti-fascist protest.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27738018/ns/us_news-life/t/obama-election-spurs-race-threats-crimes/

Yeah, there are creepy people in the world.... Still doesn’t excuse actual rioting. 

[deedsker]

1 minute ago, GBR0988 said:

Yeah, there are creepy people in the world.... Still doesn’t excuse actual rioting. 

I agree, but that isn’t what I am saying. Anti-fascist are people who oppose fascist. It is there name! These people get baited into violence by fascist to help their cause. This is a real problem that has escalated under Trump and “good people and all sides” bull.

[Landlord]

It's crazy how he says he'd support Trump over a socialist because of things like political correctness, being offended, and over-sensitivity. I mean, even if those are issues, they're issues that don't really effect you other than being annoying to deal with. 

 

How about things like stealing money out of your pockets, widening income inequality, taking away all resources for poor people who need them, causing tens of millions to not be able to get health insurance, deporting or denying access to our country to non-illegal and non-criminal non-Americans, tearing families apart, emboldening hate crimes, ruining the environment, making enemies and losing allies around the world, stuff like that? Stuff that actually effects people? Here's a statement that sounds crazy, but is actually, literally true and not hyperbolic. Since Donald Trump has become President, a whole lot more people are dying, with correlation AND causation.

 

 

[NM11046]

7 hours ago, deedsker said:

I agree, but that isn’t what I am saying. Anti-fascist are people who oppose fascist. It is there name! These people get baited into violence by fascist to help their cause. This is a real problem that has escalated under Trump and “good people and all sides” bull.

And I'd argue there is a stark difference between protesting and rioting.  

 

And Anifia is a small group, similar to your KKK and "Free Speech" groups, radical christians etc.  One group does not define an entire population - or does it?  Only I guess when it is muslims and liberals - then the radical subsets are pointed to as the norm and as evil examples of all that's wrong with the world.

[Big Red 40]

On 11/11/2017 at 9:14 PM, dudeguyy said:

 

How would you feel about a Biden/young Dem ticket for 2020?

I think a Biden/ Joe Kennedy ticket would win the 2020 election  in a landslide. I've  heard Kennedy is too young/inexperienced, so throw Biden in for age/political experience. Politics and the Government are what they are, and like it or not knowledge of the system and playing politics is the only way to really get anything done. Young Kennedy is an intelligent, well spoken, guy who really seems like he would work for ALL Americans not just the rich and special interests. He would provide a fresh face and appeal to young voters too IMO.

 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Big Red 40

[NM11046]

I have some personal ties to Joe Kennedy - he is def considering it ... to the point that folks that he'd want in roles important to him have been talked to.  If it's not 2020 it will be sometime in the near future.  Not sure his aspirations as P or VP though.  Or who he'd like to run with - I'll have to poke around on that  one.

[RedDenver]

9 hours ago, Big Red 40 said:

I think a Biden/ Joe Kennedy ticket would win the 2020 election  in a landslide. I've  heard Kennedy is too young/inexperienced, so throw Biden in for age/political experience. Politics and the Government are what they are, and like it or not knowledge of the system and playing politics is the only way to really get anything done. Young Kennedy is an intelligent, well spoken, guy who really seems like he would work for ALL Americans not just the rich and special interests. He would provide a fresh face and appeal to young voters too IMO.

 

Let's hear what their policies are before saying they'd win or even which groups would win/lose.

[commando]

i am starting to think that maybe trump is a democratic plant designed to tear down the republican party.   if he isn't he should have been.  it's working great

[Danny Bateman]

Well, Conyers is stepping down. This was certainly the right thing to do.

 

 

 

[zoogs]

Small, simple, and much needed steps.

[zoogs]

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/01/everyones-a-leftist-once-a-corporation-tramples-on-them

 

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The old line is that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. Conversely, the easiest way to make a conservative into a leftist is to put them on the receiving end of corporate power.

 

Good coverage -- especially from the labor angle, which I think is the most relevant one. 

[BigRedBuster]

 

[funhusker]

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I like him a lot!  Not enough to note for him though..

[zoogs]

51 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

 

The Oprah conversation is really fascinating. I agree with what you posted here. Vox ran a piece holding her to account for the crank medicine she's willingly spawned and indulged through her show, and that's one area I'd have a lot of question about her judgement. I also agree with what Jon Favreau said, which is not to be so quick to dismiss the power of the ability to inspire out of hand. He, after all, worked for Obama, whose political star also shot through the roof on the back of one well-timed speech. But Obama was a constitutional law professor and Senator, so it's not a 1:1.

 

And there's a lot of good meta conversation here too, highlighting for example how quick we are to cast her into a Magical Negro (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalNegro) role. And how there have been other big celebrity names floated for discussion before -- Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerberg, Kanye...and none of them met the same withering scrutiny about their abilities. 

 

Ultimately I think we are right to regard the celebrity presidency with this suspicion, and I hope we'll continue to do this the next time someone with the overwhelming advantage of icon status decides to "get into politics" by seeking the highest office in the land.

 

Though, counter-point: perhaps what we need is celebrity figureheads to occupy our attention, and remove much of the power and therefore dangers of the office. I dunno, that's too hypothetical for me!

[BigRedBuster]

3 minutes ago, zoogs said:

 

The Oprah conversation is really fascinating. I agree with what you posted here. Vox ran a piece holding her to account for the crank medicine she's willingly spawned and indulged through her show, and that's one area I'd have a lot of question about her judgement. I also agree with what Jon Favreau said, which is not to be so quick to dismiss the power of the ability to inspire out of hand. He, after all, worked for Obama, whose political star also shot through the roof on the back of one well-timed speech. But Obama was a constitutional law professor and Senator, so it's not a 1:1.

 

And there's a lot of good meta conversation here too, highlighting for example how quick we are to cast her into a Magical Negro (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalNegro) role. And how there have been other big celebrity names floated for discussion before -- Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerberg, Kanye...and none of them met the same withering scrutiny about their abilities. 

 

Ultimately I think we are right to regard the celebrity presidency with this suspicion, and I hope we'll continue to do this the next time someone with the overwhelming advantage of icon status decides to "get into politics" by seeking the highest office in the land.

 

Though, counter-point: perhaps what we need is celebrity figureheads to occupy our attention, and remove much of the power and therefore dangers of the office. I dunno, that's too hypothetical for me!

 

It's a problem when the public equates fame and being articulate with being well versed in issues and having quality stances on those issues to help fix real people's problems.

 

I have never been a fan of Oprah and her show.  It just doesn't appeal to me to trot out a bunch of people with problems and sit around and act like you're crying over their issues and want to fix them.  But, that's just me.

 

All that aside, Oprah has been incredibly successful in building her little empire and creating wealth for herself....by crying over other people's problems.  

 

American people have a fixation though on liking someone that is famous and then somehow creating this myth that they are somehow so smart they can do anything.  Oprah is very articulate and said all the right things the other night.  I will say that's one hell of a lot better than the idiot we have in Washington right now. 

 

However, I would hope the American people will learn and realize we need to put someone in office that actually has experience in governing and finding solutions to problems.