Moiraine Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) I don't think MSU had top 15-18 classes when they won it, either. Edited December 11, 2017 by Moiraine Quote Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just because its possible doesn't mean we should try and win that way. Those teams are outliers but if you want to act like that is the path to success go right ahead. The Huskers haven't won a conference championship that way any time in the recent past so until we do it the Wisconsin way im going to say upping pur recruiting a hair is a more sure fire way to championships as the data proves it. Quote Link to comment
Moiraine Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Nebfanatic said: Just because its possible doesn't mean we should try and win that way. Those teams are outliers but if you want to act like that is the path to success go right ahead. No one is really doing that. They're refuting your false statement and saying it's possible. Edited December 11, 2017 by Moiraine 2 Quote Link to comment
RedDenver Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said: Just because its possible doesn't mean we should try and win that way. Those teams are outliers but if you want to act like that is the path to success go right ahead. The Huskers haven't won a conference championship that way any time in the recent past so until we do it the Wisconsin way im going to say upping pur recruiting a hair is a more sure fire way to championships as the data proves it. We've been outrecruiting Wisconsin for years. Maybe we should worry about just filling the 85 schollie limit with decent players and beating Wisconsin before worrying about elite recruiting. Edited December 11, 2017 by RedDenver 2 Quote Link to comment
krc1995 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I don’t know about you all but I’m ready to win even if it means using monkeys riding ponies wearing tutus. And by winning mean a conference championship. I’m ok with lowering my expectations a bit. 2 Quote Link to comment
LaunchCode Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, RedDenver said: Wisconsin has won the B1G three times in the last decade; therefore, the statement "The only way we will be winning this conference multiple times in a decade is if we are consistently pulling top 15-18 recruiting classes." is provably false. I guess @Dr. Strangelove is right, not debatable. Actually that doesn't make any sense at all. We are not Wisconsin. We would need to beat Wisconsin before getting a chance to play for the conference championship. What Wisconsin, a longtime and connected member in the Big 10 has accomplished, is no guarantee of what we can accomplish if we were even with them in talent. We don't get the benefit of calls in head to head games, as was easily identifiable this year, so we actually need to be quite a bit better than Wisconsin just to win the division let alone the conference. Matching their talent is a formula for letdown. Quote Link to comment
Scarlet Overkill Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 54 minutes ago, krc1995 said: I don’t know about you all but I’m ready to win even if it means using monkeys riding ponies wearing tutus. And by winning mean a conference championship. I’m ok with lowering my expectations a bit. Wait -I'm confused. Are the monkeys wearing the tutus or the horses wearing them? Because that changes everything. 1 Quote Link to comment
krc1995 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, Dilly Dilly said: Wait -I'm confused. Are the monkeys wearing the tutus or the horses wearing them? Because that changes everything. In my mind the ponies are. The monkeys are are in spanx. 2 Quote Link to comment
Dr. Strangelove Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, RedDenver said: Wisconsin has won the B1G three times in the last decade; therefore, the statement "The only way we will be winning this conference multiple times in a decade is if we are consistently pulling top 15-18 recruiting classes." is provably false. I guess @Dr. Strangelove is right, not debatable. Not close. Wisconsin is an outlier, the vast majority of schools that don't recruit in the top 30 don't stay in the top 30. Don't look at Wisconsin as your one example, look at the 90 or so teams that don't recruit well and evaluate their rankings. 1 Quote Link to comment
RedDenver Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, LaunchCode said: Actually that doesn't make any sense at all. We are not Wisconsin. We would need to beat Wisconsin before getting a chance to play for the conference championship. What Wisconsin, a longtime and connected member in the Big 10 has accomplished, is no guarantee of what we can accomplish if we were even with them in talent. We don't get the benefit of calls in head to head games, as was easily identifiable this year, so we actually need to be quite a bit better than Wisconsin just to win the division let alone the conference. Matching their talent is a formula for letdown. 9 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said: Not close. Wisconsin is an outlier, the vast majority of schools that don't recruit in the top 30 don't stay in the top 30. Don't look at Wisconsin as your one example, look at the 90 or so teams that don't recruit well and evaluate their rankings. You guys have to be joking. Someone says, and I quote, "The only way we will be winning this conference multiple times in a decade is if we are consistently pulling top 15-18 recruiting classes." I show a counter example from the last decade, and that's not enough to say that the quoted statement is false? Another team can do it but Nebraska can't? Or somehow another team being an outlier means it didn't happen? Are you two really signing on to the notion that the only way Nebraska can win the conference multiple times in a decade is consistently pulling top 15-18 recruiting classes? 2 Quote Link to comment
Moiraine Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said: Not close. Wisconsin is an outlier, the vast majority of schools that don't recruit in the top 30 don't stay in the top 30. Don't look at Wisconsin as your one example, look at the 90 or so teams that don't recruit well and evaluate their rankings. This reply doesn't make much sense. Wisconsin recruits in the top 30-40. We're not talking about teams with the 90th ranked recruiting class here. Quote Link to comment
commando Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 another new recruit. speedy juco wr woodyard 2 Quote Link to comment
FearAmeer Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) New commit: Jaron Woodyard the #2 rated WR out of JUCO. 3 star on 247 but 4 star on other rating systems. He is also VERY fast. Would be the top 3 fastest player on our roster (which i'm guessing the other two are tyjon lindsey and spielman) Edited December 11, 2017 by FearAmeer 4 Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, FearAmeer said: New commit: Jaron Woodyard the #2 rated WR out of JUCO. 3 star on 247 but 4 star on other rating systems. He is also VERY fast. Would be the top 3 fastest player on our roster (which i'm guessing the other two are tyjon lindsey and spielman) For some context: The Maryland native ran a 10.68 in the 100-meters and a 21.50 in the 200-meters in high school. He's a home run threat nearly every time he touches the ball with that kind of speed. From Huskers Online 1 Quote Link to comment
Dr. Strangelove Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, RedDenver said: You guys have to be joking. Someone says, and I quote, "The only way we will be winning this conference multiple times in a decade is if we are consistently pulling top 15-18 recruiting classes." I show a counter example from the last decade, and that's not enough to say that the quoted statement is false? Another team can do it but Nebraska can't? Or somehow another team being an outlier means it didn't happen? Are you two really signing on to the notion that the only way Nebraska can win the conference multiple times in a decade is consistently pulling top 15-18 recruiting classes? Not necessarily. Just that there's a 100 example of teams not being as successful with recruiting in the 40s or worse. You're citing one of the very, very few counter examples. It's not impossible to win recruiting at that level, but it's considerably harder. If you want to hope for Wisconsin like success recruiting at their level, fine. Quote Link to comment
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