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4 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

From the Tenopir podcast last week,

 

Guessing you meant McBride? I don't think Milt's doing too many podcasts these days. ;)

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1 minute ago, Toe said:

 

Guessing you meant McBride? I don't think Milt's doing too many podcasts these days. ;)

Yeah, sorry. Total brain fart.  Now edited. I must have had Milt on my mind because I was posting about the O-line.

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Tall flex option TE who decommited from UCF, has now commited to Nebraska

 

 

We have risen from recruiting class rank #89 to #66 and will continue to go up as we get more commits. 

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This staff has obviously been doing their work and I’m impressed with the commits they have received. 

 

At at this point, however, it’s a matter of having to trust the staff on evaluations. I’m excited to trust them. 

 

Some (key word “some”) of these recruits are are not highly rated nor do they have offers from top programs. 

 

I trust the the staff that these are good players that fit their systems. 

 

I hope they are right. 

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7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

This staff has obviously been doing their work and I’m impressed with the commits they have received. 

 

At at this point, however, it’s a matter of having to trust the staff on evaluations. I’m excited to trust them. 

 

Some (key word “some”) of these recruits are are not highly rated nor do they have offers from top programs. 

 

I trust the the staff that these are good players that fit their systems. 

 

I hope they are right. 

I don't follow recruiting very much, but isn't it pretty normal under circumstances like this? I remember hearing that Harbaugh's first class was horrible, he didn't have much time to piece it together. I think Frost is aiming as high as they can. We aren't going to flip many 4-5* at this point.

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15 minutes ago, Sparker said:

I don't follow recruiting very much, but isn't it pretty normal under circumstances like this? I remember hearing that Harbaugh's first class was horrible, he didn't have much time to piece it together. I think Frost is aiming as high as they can. We aren't going to flip many 4-5* at this point.

It looks like Harbaugh's first class may have been ranked around the 50's (might also help explain why they're 8-4 and don't seem to have a QB).

 

Regardless, and to no surprise, I think there are a lot of inherent difficulties when you take over in December and have two weeks to meet the early signing period and a little over two months to sign a class. It's only fair to give some leeway in regards to the final result.

 

I don't follow recruiting that closely either, but, I do know Nebraska has often made a lot of hay with guys who may not be getting offers from the elite of the elite schools. But, there are plenty of guys on the offers list that are up there. I'll reserve my judgement for February.

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18 minutes ago, Sparker said:

I remember hearing that Harbaugh's first class was horrible, he didn't have much time to piece it together.



50th in 2015
4th in 2016

4th in 2017

Mike Riley's 1st class was ranked 31st. But he had the benefit of not having a bunch of the previous coach's players dropping off during the season due to a crappy season.

This is also a different situation because of the early signing period. I think that puts us further behind. We have some players who want to sign in December who won't even listen to new teams at this point.

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3 hours ago, Moiraine said:



50th in 2015
4th in 2016

4th in 2017

Mike Riley's 1st class was ranked 31st. But he had the benefit of not having a bunch of the previous coach's players dropping off during the season due to a crappy season.

This is also a different situation because of the early signing period. I think that puts us further behind. We have some players who want to sign in December who won't even listen to new teams at this point.

There are a few problems with your post.  First off, Harbuagh didn't get named coach until the end of December.  Second he wasn't coming from another college job where he had already been out recruiting and building relationships, he was coming from the nfl with zero knowledge about that years high school prospects.

 

Second you imply we had a bunch of players decommit due to a bad season.  I think you'll find it had little to do with our record and a lot more to do with the rumors the guy recruiting them wasn't going to be here.  If it was simply about record then SF should be pulling guys in right and left correct? 

 

The one thing SF has going for him Harbaugh didn't, is that he and his staff have been on the recruiting trail since last year's class was finalized, they know the prospects out there, and should have a lot of good relationships built up with high school coaches and players.  I expect we'll see a strong finish before it's over.   That said, not sure there's good evidence one way or the other of how good his staff is at recruiting and we still may not know when this class is done.

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4 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Their effort has been admirable.  I wouldn't categorize losing Moore as "extremely impressive".

 

Bummer, that one is. Expected, it was though. 

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5 hours ago, LaunchCode said:

There are a few problems with your post.  First off, Harbuagh didn't get named coach until the end of December.  Second he wasn't coming from another college job where he had already been out recruiting and building relationships, he was coming from the nfl with zero knowledge about that years high school prospects.

 

Second you imply we had a bunch of players decommit due to a bad season.  I think you'll find it had little to do with our record and a lot more to do with the rumors the guy recruiting them wasn't going to be here.  If it was simply about record then SF should be pulling guys in right and left correct? 

 

The one thing SF has going for him Harbaugh didn't, is that he and his staff have been on the recruiting trail since last year's class was finalized, they know the prospects out there, and should have a lot of good relationships built up with high school coaches and players.  I expect we'll see a strong finish before it's over.   That said, not sure there's good evidence one way or the other of how good his staff is at recruiting and we still may not know when this class is done.

 

 

 

There aren't any problems with my post, seeing as I wasn't claiming it was a direct comparison to Michigan. I didn't even talk about Harbaugh. I just gave his class rankings in response to someone else's post.

 

I said (didn't imply) we lost recruits due to a crappy season. Your reply doesn't refute that. There were rumors of Riley's firing because of the crappy season.

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I am not going to blame a kid who was committed to the former staff to look elsewhere and I am not going to blame the new coaching staff for not being able to keep the Riley commits in this year's class.  That's the way it goes with recruiting.  I would love to have kids commit to the school, rather than their position/head coach, but that's a realistic point of view anymore.

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4 hours ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

 

There aren't any problems with my post, seeing as I wasn't claiming it was a direct comparison to Michigan. I didn't even talk about Harbaugh. I just gave his class rankings in response to someone else's post.

 

I said (didn't imply) we lost recruits due to a crappy season. Your reply doesn't refute that. There were rumors of Riley's firing because of the crappy season.

If you've ever topped a ball badly in front of a lot of people on the tee, you know how I feel right now.  I misread sorry.

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22 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

If we only got kids committed to the school and not to the coaches they built a relationship, we would have almost zero non Nebraskan players.

That's not 100% true.  Yes, the initial relationship with the assistant coach recruiting the player is important, but I hear a lot of time from players in the 80s and 90s that they were committed to playing for Nebraska, not necessarily that assistant coach.  The relationships with the assistants are a bonus.

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10 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

That's not 100% true.  Yes, the initial relationship with the assistant coach recruiting the player is important, but I hear a lot of time from players in the 80s and 90s that they were committed to playing for Nebraska, not necessarily that assistant coach.  The relationships with the assistants are a bonus.

 

 

That might be what they're saying but there tend to be quite a few decommits from schools when they lose a coach.

25 minutes ago, LaunchCode said:

If you've ever topped a ball badly in front of a lot of people on the tee, you know how I feel right now.  I misread sorry.

 

 

np

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5 hours ago, The Dude said:

Their effort has been admirable.  I wouldn't categorize losing Moore as "extremely impressive".

I think this post was started before the Moore decommit 

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13 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

That's not 100% true.  Yes, the initial relationship with the assistant coach recruiting the player is important, but I hear a lot of time from players in the 80s and 90s that they were committed to playing for Nebraska, not necessarily that assistant coach.  The relationships with the assistants are a bonus.

 

Thats easy for them to say when they came to a dominant program and very seldom had a coaching change even with the assistants. 

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Looking back at UCF recruiting numbers, they always did pretty well before Frost, but Frost definitely took their recruiting to another level. He had the #1 class in the AAC for 2017 and was closing in on another. The AAC isn't the BIG but there is strong competition in recruiting in that league no doubt.

 

I think he will do well here eventually, and he will do well to salvage whats left of this class. If we can end up #1 in the West that will be a victory. I wouldn't call it extremely impressive, but definitely a victory.

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33 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Looking back at UCF recruiting numbers, they always did pretty well before Frost, but Frost definitely took their recruiting to another level. He had the #1 class in the AAC for 2017 and was closing in on another. The AAC isn't the BIG but there is strong competition in recruiting in that league no doubt.

 

I think he will do well here eventually, and he will do well to salvage whats left of this class. If we can end up #1 in the West that will be a victory. I wouldn't call it extremely impressive, but definitely a victory.

Nebraska has pretty much always been the top recruiter in the West since joining the B1G. The issue in winning the West has been more about development and coaching. I think SF and Co need to take a step forward over current recruiting results to put them in position to win conference and/or national titles, but the talent to win the West was already being brought in.

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37 minutes ago, caveman99 said:

Nebraska has pretty much always been the top recruiter in the West since joining the B1G. The issue in winning the West has been more about development and coaching. I think SF and Co need to take a step forward over current recruiting results to put them in position to win conference and/or national titles, but the talent to win the West was already being brought in.

I agree but I was just talking about the '18 class. We aren't going to take a step forward this cycle with this much time left. The idea is to not take a step backwards.

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3 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

I agree but I was just talking about the '18 class. We aren't going to take a step forward this cycle with this much time left. The idea is to not take a step backwards.

But, the new coaching staff isn't to blame if it is a step backwards.  Starting to recruit for a class in December is pretty difficult, especially with the new December signing date.

 

We knew one of the fallouts with the coaching change would be a diminished 2018 class, but we need to focus on the long-term viability of the program, rather than one small recruiting class during a coaching transition.

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Just now, ColoradoHusk said:

But, the new coaching staff isn't to blame if it is a step backwards.  Starting to recruit for a class in December is pretty difficult, especially with the new December signing date.

 

We knew one of the fallouts with the coaching change would be a diminished 2018 class, but we need to focus on the long-term viability of the program, rather than one small recruiting class during a coaching transition.

Ehhh, I wouldn't go that far. Frost would be a little to blame if we don't finish with the #1 class in the west. Our star rating is higher than the rest of the west and we have more 4 stars than any other team, we just lack the number of commits. I expect Frost to finish around 30 or so and atop our division. If he can't do that it is still mostly on Riley but that is also a failure for Frost.

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3 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

Ehhh, I wouldn't go that far. Frost would be a little to blame if we don't finish with the #1 class in the west. Our star rating is higher than the rest of the west and we have more 4 stars than any other team, we just lack the number of commits. I expect Frost to finish around 30 or so and atop our division. If he can't do that it is still mostly on Riley but that is also a failure for Frost.

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So are the Nebraska coaches still recruiting at night now that they are in Orlando?  I still wouldn't have minded keeping a guy like Keith Wiiliams who was a solid recruiter and maybe a couple of new non-UCF defensive staff members.  They'd be able to stay on the recruiting trail 24/7.

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3 hours ago, Packerhuskerfan said:

So are the Nebraska coaches still recruiting at night now that they are in Orlando?  I still wouldn't have minded keeping a guy like Keith Wiiliams who was a solid recruiter and maybe a couple of new non-UCF defensive staff members.  They'd be able to stay on the recruiting trail 24/7.

They’re coaching during the day and recruiting at night, Frost flew across the country to in home with Martinez.

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On 12/4/2017 at 8:05 PM, ColoradoHusk said:

What’s the question about?  He is a stud dual-threat QB who is currently committed to Tennessee. Are you worried he’s related to Taylor?

At first I was worried he was related to Taylor....the thought of another child being allowed to throw like Taylor terrifies me. I just cant imagine allowing my son to have that awful of a throwing motion. Its borderline child abuse.

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On 12/12/2017 at 1:56 PM, Nebfanatic said:

Ehhh, I wouldn't go that far. Frost would be a little to blame if we don't finish with the #1 class in the west. Our star rating is higher than the rest of the west and we have more 4 stars than any other team, we just lack the number of commits. I expect Frost to finish around 30 or so and atop our division. If he can't do that it is still mostly on Riley but that is also a failure for Frost.

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Let's give the guy a bit of a break.

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4 hours ago, billdozer15 said:

At first I was worried he was related to Taylor....the thought of another child being allowed to throw like Taylor terrifies me. I just cant imagine allowing my son to have that awful of a throwing motion. Its borderline child abuse.

 

Get over it. 

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If we are comparing apples to oranges, I guess all applies here.  Seriously though, Riley didn't rrecruit B1G talent.  He was recruiting Pac 12 talent and trying to make them B1G players.  No matter.  Systems are systems.  With any system, you need players with speed.  We haven't had speed on this campus for years.  When we play the Top 15 teams in the nation, we get beat because we don't have comparable speed on both sides of the ball.  This is all about to change.  Frosty is recruiting speed and athletes who have speed.  Coaches can find a spot for a player who can fly.

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1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Get over it. 

 

6 hours ago, billdozer15 said:

At first I was worried he was related to Taylor....the thought of another child being allowed to throw like Taylor terrifies me. I just cant imagine allowing my son to have that awful of a throwing motion. Its borderline child abuse.

If  either of my sons (or daughter) gets free tuition, room and board, and a BMOC card at a Division I school, I couldn't care less about the throwing motion, swim stroke, volleyball serve, etc.  Denying them that opportunity because "I (a person that doesn't matter in the formula) thinks it looks silly" sounds more like "abuse" to me.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Nebhawk said:

If we are comparing apples to oranges, I guess all applies here.  Seriously though, Riley didn't rrecruit B1G talent.  He was recruiting Pac 12 talent and trying to make them B1G players.  No matter.  Systems are systems.  With any system, you need players with speed.  We haven't had speed on this campus for years.  When we play the Top 15 teams in the nation, we get beat because we don't have comparable speed on both sides of the ball.  This is all about to change.  Frosty is recruiting speed and athletes who have speed.  Coaches can find a spot for a player who can fly.

 

I think it it has more to do with metal melt-downs, and Diaco riddles.

 

Aside from that- I do agree with everything you’re saying.

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3 hours ago, Enhance said:

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Let's give the guy a bit of a break.

I don't see why we can't have the number 1 class in the west. Our star rating and number of 4 stars is already more than any other team. He literally just has to fill the class and we will accomplish the top class in the west most likely so i dont understand why its so far fetched. And yes I would consider not filling out the class and finishing behind Minnesota a disappointment. We had the number 1 class in the west on Rileys transition. Why are we giving Frost a pass if he doesn't fill the class? We sure didn't afford Riley one for the same thing. 

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1 hour ago, Nebhawk said:

If we are comparing apples to oranges, I guess all applies here.  Seriously though, Riley didn't rrecruit B1G talent.  He was recruiting Pac 12 talent and trying to make them B1G players.  No matter.  Systems are systems.  With any system, you need players with speed.  We haven't had speed on this campus for years.  When we play the Top 15 teams in the nation, we get beat because we don't have comparable speed on both sides of the ball.  This is all about to change.  Frosty is recruiting speed and athletes who have speed.  Coaches can find a spot for a player who can fly.

That doesn't jive at all with the fact so many players in MR's last two classes had multiple BIG offers?   

 

Tyjon Lindsey's shuttle time in the sparq challenge would have been the 2nd fastest in the nfl combines.  Seems we do have speed and since he was also originally committed to Ohio State, we have B1G players as well.  The last two classes were full of them based on the number of other B1G offers.

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27 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

I don't see why we can't have the number 1 class in the west. Our star rating and number of 4 stars is already more than any other team. He literally just has to fill the class and we will accomplish the top class in the west most likely so i dont understand why its so far fetched. And yes I would consider not filling out the class and finishing behind Minnesota a disappointment. We had the number 1 class in the west on Rileys transition. Why are we giving Frost a pass if he doesn't fill the class? We sure didn't afford Riley one for the same thing. 

For me, this isn't a 'Frost is our guy so I'm going to give him a pass' argument.

 

I believe all we can hope for is him doing the best to his abilities... given that he's a new coach trying to salvage a class while simultaneously upholding a commitment to his former team. It's not an ideal situation but saying he would deserve 'blame' for failing to be #1 in the west just rubs me the wrong way. Each to his own.

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14 minutes ago, Enhance said:

For me, this isn't a 'Frost is our guy so I'm going to give him a pass' argument.

 

I believe all we can hope for is him doing the best to his abilities... given that he's a new coach trying to salvage a class while simultaneously upholding a commitment to his former team. It's not an ideal situation but saying he would deserve 'blame' for failing to be #1 in the west just rubs me the wrong way. Each to his own.

I never said he deserved all of the blame, I'm just saying we have been number 1 in the west every year since we joined the league so if he wasn't able to do so, which would literally mean just filling up the class with decent 3 star guys, then that is a bit of a disappointment. He really doesn't have to do much, just perform at the same level as his predecessors. Is that really asking too much? 

 

And I should be clear I don't want to take the pitchforks to Frost if he doesn't accomplish it, but that should be a realistic expectation 

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6 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

I never said he deserved all of the blame, I'm just saying we have been number 1 in the west every year since we joined the league so if he wasn't able to do so, which would literally mean just filling up the class with decent 3 star guys, then that is a bit of a disappointment. He really doesn't have to do much, just perform at the same level as his predecessors. Is that really asking too much? 

I never said you said he would deserve all the blame...?

 

If he doesn't finish #1 in the west and you want to be disappointed in him (to whatever level of dissatisfaction you choose) that would of course be your prerogative, but I would caution against doing so in a vacuum. I'm willing to give some wiggle room considering he seems to be busting his ass off to shape this class together and uphold his commitment to his previous team. 

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8 minutes ago, Enhance said:

I never said you said he would deserve all the blame...?

 

If he doesn't finish #1 in the west and you want to be disappointed in him (to whatever level of dissatisfaction you choose) that would of course be your prerogative, but I would caution against doing so in a vacuum. I'm willing to give some wiggle room considering he seems to be busting his ass off to shape this class together and uphold his commitment to his previous team. 

Whatever dude. I would honestly be super suprised if he didn't pull it off. He would basically have to stop recruiting at this point. Again, filling the class to 20 or 22 commits almost guarantees us the best class in our division. So yes, I would be disappointed if we only signed 17 recruits because thats the only way we don't win our division. Anyone who would be fine with that should see how they reacted to Riley undersigning a year ago.  If by some miracle we sign a full class and don't win the west in recruiting,  I will give Frost a break. I just don't see that happening with the caliber of recruits we already have on board. 

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1 hour ago, Nebfanatic said:

And yes I would consider not filling out the class and finishing behind Minnesota a disappointment.

 

Anyone putting this kind of effort into this can't be considered a disappointment. 

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2 minutes ago, brophog said:

 

Anyone putting this kind of effort into this can't be considered a disappointment. 

Yall act like he's doing something our past coaches haven't. Thats what gets me. I understand the excitement around Frost and he has been doing pretty good thus far recruiting, but lets not act like no matter what he does it should be considered a success. That is dumb to me. Lets look at what he is doing objectively, which is nothing more than Pelini or Riley has done to this point. I say this not to hate on Frost but i just don't get celebrating everything he does if its not up to par to what we have been used to. People act like I'm expecting Frost to make some huge impact on recruiting when all I'm really expecting is to not do worse than Pelini or Riley. 

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I realize not everyone goes into the Recruiting Forum but the Huskers put on quite an event for in-state kids this evening.  A bunch of walk-on offers went out and a few accepted already.  Here's a link to the thread.  By the way, by Sean Callahan's calculations, Frost has spent over 20 hours in a plane the last three days.  All while conducting two practices and making multiple in-home visits.

 

 

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