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On 12/29/2017 at 0:41 PM, SouthLincoln Husker said:

I think Riley can coach, he just had a staff that could not develop players.

You think too much :D

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24 minutes ago, MichiganDad3 said:

I never saw the downside of Jucos, and wandered why we didn't take more. K-State loved those guys, and they helped K-State win.

Some coaches feel like they don't want to invest a scholarship in a guy who is only going to contribute 1-2 years, plus they can be hard to get them cleared academically.

 

I think JUCO guys can be used to fill positions of need or bring in a playmaker (see Demorrio Williams, Randy Gregory, and Lavonte David).  Plus, if they don't pan out, they are usually gone within 2 years.

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We need to fill out this class and then some. Rather than reaches out of HS I love these JUCO offers. If we screw up with a kid, at least it’s only a 2 year problem instead of 5.

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10 minutes ago, ScottyIce said:

We need to fill out this class and then some. Rather than reaches out of HS I love these JUCO offers. If we screw up with a kid, at least it’s only a 2 year problem instead of 5.

I agree. Plus we need immediate help at certain positions and JUCOs are more physically ready year 1.

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1 hour ago, famoustitles said:

Our wr room is really thin and young. . Adding Juco Woodyard and Williams helps with both those issues

I agree! I also believe we will take Watt or some other 2018 wideout recruit in this class.

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1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

Sure they made the offers, but the fact that they signed ZERO JUCO’s just goes to show the level of priority the previous staff gave to using JUCO’s to fill roster holes. Throwing offers out just as a last resort that won’t be there by the time they got around to it as they will all be committed by then.

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6 hours ago, caveman99 said:

Sure they made the offers, but the fact that they signed ZERO JUCO’s just goes to show the level of priority the previous staff gave to using JUCO’s to fill roster holes. Throwing offers out just as a last resort that won’t be there by the time they got around to it as they will all be committed by then.

That’s not the point of the tweet. It’s been said that Eichorst banned them from recruiting JUCOs. That’s clearly not the case. 

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On 1/15/2018 at 5:38 AM, BigRedBuster said:

That’s not the point of the tweet. It’s been said that Eichorst banned them from recruiting JUCOs. That’s clearly not the case. 

There is a difference between totally banning offers to JUCO's and discouraging offers to JUCO's, and I think Eichorst and the academic staff fall in the latter description.

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1 minute ago, Mavric said:

 

 

Damn. I was hoping his last name was Aarnold. He could've been A-A-ron A-A-rnold :) 

 

Nice to see Kyler Reed still involved in football and Held keeping those JUCO connections solid! I may or may not be sipping some Kool-Aid this year guys

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1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

This pisses me off....we have had an elite JUCO 45 mins away and have never even paid them a visit. We could have used a dozen or more of their guys over the last decade.

 

PS I am an IWCC alum 

Edited by Hedley Lamarr

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Thank goodness SF is smarter than any coach past 10 yrs. This good get good

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Some of these guys will still need a year to adjust to the game. I expect big production in 2019, when they’ve been in the system for a full year and are playing at full speed. Not that we can’t expect contributions this year or anything, just that it’s not panic worthy if it takes some time. It’s why JUCO transfers only make sense if you can bring them in in January in my opinion. Any later and it’s almost like wasting a year and a scholarship.

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5 hours ago, Caliborn72 said:

Some of these guys will still need a year to adjust to the game. I expect big production in 2019, when they’ve been in the system for a full year and are playing at full speed. Not that we can’t expect contributions this year or anything, just that it’s not panic worthy if it takes some time. It’s why JUCO transfers only make sense if you can bring them in in January in my opinion. Any later and it’s almost like wasting a year and a scholarship.

I would be surprised if Woodyard,  bell, honas, and deontai are not starting or playing huge roles by conference play.  

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I expect them all to play and likely start. Just that it might take until year 2 for them to be fully comfortable at this level of play. JUCOs add the benefit of being more physically ready to play than most freshmen, but they still have to adjust to the speed of Power-5 football just like freshmen do.

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On 2/2/2018 at 4:06 PM, Hedley Lamarr said:

This pisses me off....we have had an elite JUCO 45 mins away and have never even paid them a visit. We could have used a dozen or more of their guys over the last decade.

 

 

Ditto. It's ridiculous. I think as a rule I would recruit their best player every single year, and/or any decent player who gets offers from Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern, or Minnesota (until we prove we can beat NW and Minnesota 90% of the time). Even if they don't have a star every year, it would be worth the scholarship to build that long-term relationship with the IWCC coaches and players. And I think keeping a good player away from Wisconsin and Iowa would be worth it even if they don't end up starting for us. I would do the same at the one in Kansas (don't recall the name).

Edited by Moiraine

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If Graves and Lee can rush the passer, then I'd say they're worth a strong look. Whether they play DE or OLB, Nebraska needs pass rushers. Even if guys currently on the roster pan out as pass rushers, you can always use more.

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Another article on IWCC

 

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Although Strohmeier has sent 140 players to Football Bowl Subdivision schools during his tenure at the Council Bluffs school, he never once has sent one to Nebraska.

In fact, the Huskers have offered scholarships to a grand total of two Iowa Western players.

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/journalstar.com/sports/huskers/sipple/steven-m-sipple-frost-s-relationship-with-iowa-western-coach/article_57a043ed-f3a5-5dd7-a72d-b53008f723b4.amp.html

 

He says he never met Pelini (just Cotton and another coach) and he met Riley but Riley never visited campus.

 

Also, Frost and Held have known the coach for a long time.

Edited by Moiraine

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I agree with others that it is an outrage that we did not visit this school more or offer players from here. But honestly, it would not have made that much of a difference for Riley's tenure here. A good relationship with the school would have helped, but I do not think Riley and co would have utilized them correctly here. One or two players from that team would not have made us an eight-win team, so it is frustrating we did not recruit here but is not a huge deal. Definitely should have gone after an OT or secondary Juco player, though Eichorst and his admin forbade it.

 

Now putting that aside, I am so refreshed to see our new staff doing their best to build relationships with nearby schools. We could use a couple D-lineman for depth from here and Frost and co. will definitely go after them if they need to. I think taking around 2-3 jucos a cycle should be good, get the best ones you can and fill the numbers with players that are physically ready to play and add depth. 

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6 minutes ago, HuskermanMike said:

I agree with others that it is an outrage that we did not visit this school more or offer players from here. But honestly, it would not have made that much of a difference for Riley's tenure here. A good relationship with the school would have helped, but I do not think Riley and co would have utilized them correctly here. One or two players from that team would not have made us an eight-win team, so it is frustrating we did not recruit here but is not a huge deal. Definitely should have gone after an OT or secondary Juco player, though Eichorst and his admin forbade it.

 

Now putting that aside, I am so refreshed to see our new staff doing their best to build relationships with nearby schools. We could use a couple D-lineman for depth from here and Frost and co. will definitely go after them if they need to. I think taking around 2-3 jucos a cycle should be good, get the best ones you can and fill the numbers with players that are physically ready to play and add depth. 

 

 

It might not have made a huge difference in the results for Riley's teams, but I do think it's a big deal to have a coach that isn't too stupid to use this resource that's in our backyard. It's just another no-brainer in a long line of no-brainers that our previous coach(es) failed at.

With recruiting, the less time you have to spend finding the needle in the haystack, the better. We need California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, etc., but the more good players we can find near us, the better, because we have less chance of striking out with them, and less chance they'll transfer away.

Edited by Moiraine

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3 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

It might not have made a huge difference in the results for Riley's teams, but I do think it's a big deal to have a coach that isn't too stupid to use this. It's just another no-brainer in a long line of no-brainers that our previous coach(es) failed at.

With recruiting, the less time you have to spend finding the needle in the haystack, the better.

Yes, it definitely should have been utilized. But stacking a team with Jucos or taking them just to take them because they are super close by is not what needs to be done in my opinion.(not saying you said that). I think we will only need about 2-3 potentially 4 Jucos every cycle. One or two from here would not hurt if Frost and staff believe they can help the team. In fact, we may be taking two from Iowa Western in the 2019 cycle and potentially Sargbah in the future as well. Basically, we took a lot more Jucos this year than we will take in the future because of all the glaring depth issues on the team. They are physically ready players that can potentially contribute right away if they work hard enough. 

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On 2/3/2018 at 4:56 PM, swmohusker said:

I would be surprised if Woodyard,  bell, honas, and deontai are not starting or playing huge roles by conference play.  

And it’s not a big deal. I just think it’s worth re-iterating that it takes some time and for people not to expect all-conference type play from JUCOs right away.

 

I expect them to “swim” in the spring. Coaches like to throw everything at new guys one day, and then back off a bit the next because they want to see how the players respond to adversity. But it’s a big time change playing at this level.

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2 hours ago, Caliborn72 said:

And it’s not a big deal. I just think it’s worth re-iterating that it takes some time and for people not to expect all-conference type play from JUCOs right away.

 

I expect them to “swim” in the spring. Coaches like to throw everything at new guys one day, and then back off a bit the next because they want to see how the players respond to adversity. But it’s a big time change playing at this level.

Yep.  Crazy.  He is swimming a bit.  They also said Barry has a tendency to do what he wants and free lance a bit.  Young and honas will be our starting Lbs.  But it will be a fight and we have solid depth at ILB.   Don't think this tweet disproves speculation of what will happen in the fall 

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