Scarlet Overkill Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Probably not S&C's fault the team was gassed and getting pushed around. But, can we all agree that maybe there wasn't much/any accountability in the past few years? THAT is what needs to change, in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, Saunders said: Probably not 100%, but they are definitely to blame for some of it. So....why were Elliott and Phillip successful elsewhere. Do they just not care anymore? Quote Link to comment
TheSker Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: So, you agree that it’s probably not the fault of the S&C staff. Many liked to blame Pelini for the "culture" he left behind. So I'm ok with not faulting the S&C staff if the fault is placed above them. Quote Link to comment
Dr. Strangelove Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 15 hours ago, Atbone95 said: But... what... You weren't there... but you don't believe the players who say "Yeah, if I didn't feel like going, I didn't go".... You have more faith in the players than they have in themselves? Is that what I'm getting? No. But if more times than not, if something sounds stupid and ridiculous, it normally is. Unless there's a link to a quote, which hasn't been provided, it's garbage. The sad truth is that the program and team were ran professionally. There is no easy scapegoat. The team was just terrible, the coaching was terrible, and many of the players just aren't good. But I suppose it feels better to believe rumors that imply quick fixes. Quote Link to comment
Saunders Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 29 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said: No. But if more times than not, if something sounds stupid and ridiculous, it normally is. Unless there's a link to a quote, which hasn't been provided, it's garbage. The sad truth is that the program and team were ran professionally. There is no easy scapegoat. The team was just terrible, the coaching was terrible, and many of the players just aren't good. But I suppose it feels better to believe rumors that imply quick fixes. No offense, but I'm not digging through dozens of hours of podcasts that I've listened to this season from Tommie Frazier, Rob Zatechka, and Damon Benning. I heard them say these exact things. Rob Z has been railing on Cav since last season about the garbage OL play, and lack of S&C among the OL. He was calling for Decker to start last season, and Cav only gave him a shot because of injury. Damon has been talking about lack of accountability for a long time, and Tommie has repeatedly referred to players skipping workouts. You're welcome to disagree, but that doesn't make it "garbage." 3 Quote Link to comment
lo country Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 48 minutes ago, Saunders said: No offense, but I'm not digging through dozens of hours of podcasts that I've listened to this season from Tommie Frazier, Rob Zatechka, and Damon Benning. I heard them say these exact things. Rob Z has been railing on Cav since last season about the garbage OL play, and lack of S&C among the OL. He was calling for Decker to start last season, and Cav only gave him a shot because of injury. Damon has been talking about lack of accountability for a long time, and Tommie has repeatedly referred to players skipping workouts. You're welcome to disagree, but that doesn't make it "garbage." No reason to did through anything. Look at Nate Gerry and his academics and subsequent suspension.....NO accountability...... I agree with you. No accountability. None. And it showed. 3 Quote Link to comment
Moiraine Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, NU5XChamps said: It comes down to what the kids are willing to put into it. The S&C coaching staff can only put them in a position to succeed/improve. After that, it’s all on them. That's not really true imo. Obviously a big part is what the player puts into it. But there are very real consequences available to the coaches and staff for players who aren't doing the work. If what is being said in this topic is true, there were no consequences with Riley and his staff. There's a pretty simple consequence they could enact. If you're late or don't show up, you don't play. There are lots of other options, like running stairs, etc. One thing that cracks me up (this isn't aimed at you) is people who say the players are adults and it's on them to do the work and punishment isn't a good way to go about things. I was 18-22 once and I failed a semester of college because I didn't like getting up when my alarm went off. There were consequences to that but they weren't immediate and in my face so I was an idiot and ignored them. These players are frankly lucky that they have people there who can immediately make them stop being idiots by giving them immediate, real responses. Edited December 31, 2017 by Moiraine 1 Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Players were rewarded with not having to attend lifting sessions etc under previous staff. This is coming from a player who went to the same HS as me and is on the team. 2 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hedley Lamarr said: Players were rewarded with not having to attend lifting sessions etc under previous staff. This is coming from a player who went to the same HS as me and is on the team. By whom? Edited December 31, 2017 by BigRedBuster Quote Link to comment
Saunders Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 26 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: By whom? Exactly which person, I don't know. But what I've heard via those podcasts is that guys were "rewarded" by allowing them to skip workouts for hitting metrics/goals. 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Saunders said: Exactly which person, I don't know. But what I've heard via those podcasts is that guys were "rewarded" by allowing them to skip workouts for hitting metrics/goals. How clueless was the previous staff???? UGH!!! 1 Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Saunders said: Exactly which person, I don't know. But what I've heard via those podcasts is that guys were "rewarded" by allowing them to skip workouts for hitting metrics/goals. Yep and a player confirmed this to be true 2 Quote Link to comment
lo country Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 The reality, IIRC, is that the S&C staff have a lot more time with the team than the "staff" during the "off season". They have a HUGE ability to set the tone/culture of the team. They also have the ability to hold them accountable when the "staff" is not allowed contact with the team...... 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, lo country said: The reality, IIRC, is that the S&C staff have a lot more time with the team than the "staff" during the "off season". They have a HUGE ability to set the tone/culture of the team. They also have the ability to hold them accountable when the "staff" is not allowed contact with the team...... This is the truth!! Nobody has more contact with the players than the S&C staff. Quote Link to comment
GBRFAN Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 doesn't guarantee that the players will be punished thou if they don't do the work. That comes from the head coach and i'm not sure he wanted to stand his ground this late in his career, Quote Link to comment
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