Husker from Kansas Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Some people refuse to be optimistic and choose to see things in a positive light. Frost isn’t an idiot. Guy can coach and I think smart enough to adjust his scheme to be successful in the BIG 1 Quote Link to comment
The Dude Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I thought Oregon had a good blend of speed and power once Frost took over the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Frost has too prolific of an offensive influence over his career too assume that he wouldn't adjust the offense accordingly in Lincoln, in order to win in the B1G. Personally, I can't wait to watch the battles between Wisky/NU once Frost, and the program getting their footing. Different styles, but maybe not quite as different as some are expecting. 1 Quote Link to comment
HIHusker Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 17 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said: It is not a question of which one you need - speed OR power - you need both - period. Either without the other leads to 9 wins and 4 losses. You need strong, powerful and quick lines (both offense and defense) and very fast LBs and secondary that can tackle in the open field consistantly and RBs that can break tackles and turn the corner and make people miss and receivers who can catch the ball and run excellent routes and advance the ball after the catch. It's a bonus to have a receiver who can simply outrun any defender but have elite track speed is rare. Your fastest players will be DBs and safeties followed closely by RBs.Your RBs need elusiveness more than straightaway speed but both is of course preferential. I suppose I'd take a lightning fast TE that can beat a LB would be the next priority. After that, you get receivers that run great routes consistantly and have glue fingers and can catch anything within reach without flinching in the face of hard hitting DBs. You need a QB who can read defenses and make good decisions and throw the ball accurately. The QB needs to be 6-3" (taller is better as he must be able to see somewhat over the middle of the field with about 8 - 6'-5" linemen dancing around in front of him. A 6-1 or shorter QB will simply not be able to see those LBs and safeties moving aorund behind those big guys and interceptions will inevitably happen. The number will only increase as visibility decreases. You saw Osborne over the years roll his 6' or shorter QBs out to both shorten the throw as well as improve the QBs chances to find an open receiver and create the opportunity to run if the receiver or receivers are covered. You make the QBs decision making easier as you reduce the area of the field the QB must focus on just a portion of the field. You sacrifice a receiver or two away from the ball, but in return you reduce errors and bad plays. I believe that Osborne approached offensive play design by attacking a specific area and or specific defenders. Offenses that supposedly spread out all over the field and make the defense defend the entire field sound good in theory but the down side of this is that it then requires all eleven offensive players to excecute well vs each and all of the defenders. By targeting weaknesses (areas and individual players), you create advantages, not just in scheme but in matchups which can be exploited. You want to create mismatches (speed over power or power over speed; height is helpful but speed and power are more essential). I'd rather have a 6 foot tall receiver that runs 4.4 forty that a 6'4" that runs 4.55. That height advantage is helpful for those times when you want to throw that fade pattern in the corner of the endzone over a 5-10 DB but the QB still has to throw a near perfectly placed ball to use that 6" height advantage effectively. A defender can be taller and stronger but if he is not in the right position, it won't matter. Almost every team will have strengths and weaknesses (except the handful of elites which have exellent talent all over the field in their three deep chart). When faced with such opponents, it will be a real challenge to hang with them (lucky breaks, critical penalties, mistakes, a couple big plays, funny bounces). Wisconsin demonstrated by going 13-1 that they are very talented and clearly a top ten (maybe even top 6) team. They may lack the superstars but they are foundamentally VERY sound and play great football (tackling, blocking, schemes, etc). They are well coached and play hard. If we win the Big Ten west division, it will be a great accomplishment - contrary to what so many say who want to dismiss the Big Ten west as a bunch of mediocres unworthy of praise. Ohio State is one of the three most talented teams in the country - hardly debatable. Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan are also top ten talent level teams. That is 4 of the top ten in my opinion. That makes the Big Ten the best conference - overall. Even the bottom of the Big Ten teams are well above the bottom of of the NCAA top division teams as a group. There is more parity from top to bottom in NCAA football than ever before. The success of UCF demonstrates this perfectly. UCF has talent - probably top 20 in most areas. Peach Bowl results may not be indicative with the coaching turmoil, etc of this year but we will see I guess. Great post...don't forget receivers who can also block downfield... Quote Link to comment
drfish Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) The UCF mantra for receivers was apparently, "No block. No rock." Receivers will block Oops. I guess that is old news based on the thread of the same name. Edited January 1, 2018 by drfish Quote Link to comment
1994 Husker Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 12/30/2017 at 11:53 PM, NWHuskerfan said: Championship Football has always been won with Defense and in the trenches both sides of the ball. I could care less about the play fast hype. Until the problems with the O line and Defense are fixed Frost will have his hands full in the Big Ten. Agree 1000%...linemen, both sides is the ALL important aspect of game of college football. I know there are certain resources and limited amount of time, amd coaching staffs must prioritize their tasks..In this sense, all the resources on deck need to be moved to getting raw talent to Lincoln, then carving and building them up once they arrive and do what hasn’t been happening lately..development, as the lineman (as a group) actually get better then they were the year before, rather, get better after each week.. usually, if you just watch the first 10 minuets of any game, amd zero in on the lines of each team and see who is pushing and getting pushed, usually the ones Doing the pushing gets the W. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Auburn had the #14 defense in the county this year. Playing against all that SEC Speed. Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Oregon went 5-3 against Stanford from 2007 through 2014. 1 Quote Link to comment
I.M. OLD Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 3:02 AM, NWHuskerfan said: Did you see what the Big Powerful D line of Ohio State did to USC. 8 sacks. The Big Ten has all kinds of speed across the board. That Badger Defense has several NFL draft picks. I find it funny that people think the Big Ten is slow just because they play old school Football. Ohio State is complete across the board. The Badgers just went 13-1. So would you say that The Auburn line was weak? UFC’s line handled them pretty well Quote Link to comment
Crazyhole Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Nebraska was always considered slow because we were a running team. I'll never forget all of the lead up to the 96 fiesta bowl where all of the talk was about how Florida was so much faster than us. The game proved that we were not only bigger and more physical, but faster across the board and it wasn't even close. Even after solich took over people thought we were slow but the only position that we didn't have the same kind of speed was at the linebacker position. 1 Quote Link to comment
Husker from Kansas Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, I.M. OLD said: So would you say that The Auburn line was weak? UFC’s line handled them pretty well A lot of people think that talent trumps scheme. When you're a team like Rice,Tulane, or UTEP it does because the talent is so much less. BUT when you have similar talent (not that we will ever have equal talent to Ohio St) and a really good scheme that players by into and are competent in that goes along way to evening the playing field Edited January 3, 2018 by Husker from Kansas Quote Link to comment
junior4949 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I would say it was more about speed vs. coaching. A couple of bowl games stood out this year. The first one was KState vs. UCLA. It was quite apparent that UCLA was considerably more gifted in the speed/athletic department than KState. However, KState won the game because of coaching. I realize UCLA was without their fired coach, but KState won because of coaching. The other bowl game that really stood out was the Wisconsin vs. Miami game. Miami was considerably more gifted in the speed/athletic department than Wisconsin. However, Wisconsin won the game because Barry Alvarez is a great coach. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see why Georgia canned Richt. Georgia is playing for a NC and has already won a SEC title in year two post Richt. He's already doing at Miami what he did at Georgia: stacking the team with talent and then losing nearly every important game. Quote Link to comment
DaveH Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 12/30/2017 at 10:44 PM, 307husker said: Miami vs Wisconsin Speed vs power Frost offense, "Florida speed" vs (a very good) B1G defense(s). Miami will likely out recruit Nebraska for the highest caliber of "Florida speed". Preview of the future? Thoughts... Is this supposed to be a poem of some sort? Quote Link to comment
Scarlet Overkill Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 hours ago, DaveH said: Is this supposed to be a poem of some sort? Or a badly malformed haiku Quote Link to comment
desertshox Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, Dilly Dilly said: Or a badly malformed haiku Isnt a haiku a poem? Quote Link to comment
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