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Not advocating for anything just didn’t wanna keep putting these in the “next head coach” thread. Curious to see what’s happening here 

 

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On ‎3‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 8:50 AM, Huskers93-97 said:

Lets make him the next head basketball coach for the cornhuskers.

Let's not. Zero experience coaching college and we don't want to be the school that just hires former players as all of our coaches do we?

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On 3/29/2018 at 7:14 AM, pearljammer said:

Let's not. Zero experience coaching college and we don't want to be the school that just hires former players as all of our coaches do we?

 

Ha ha!  Zero coaching experience?  Really??  Given that he's one of the top coaches in the NBA perhaps we could overlook his lack of a college coaching gig.  I mean, it is the same sport after all.  

 

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The issue isn't about experience.  It's about $$$.  We're paying Tim Miles $2 million/year.  Lue makes $7 million/year.  Only a couple or three college coaches in the nation make that kind of coin.    

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2 hours ago, NUance said:

 

Ha ha!  Zero coaching experience?  Really??  Given that he's one of the top coaches in the NBA perhaps we could overlook his lack of a college coaching gig.  I mean, it is the same sport after all.  

 

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The issue isn't about experience.  It's about $$$.  We're paying Tim Miles $2 million/year.  Lue makes $7 million/year.  Only a couple or three college coaches in the nation make that kind of coin.    

I have a feeling if he did want to come here (HUGE if) he would do extremely well. To me it doesn't matter that he doesn't have collegiate coaching experience. Everyone knows who he is and he's got major NBA connections. I'd be curious to see who he'd be able to get on staff with him as that would probably be the key but he should have no problem recruiting talented kids to UNL from high school with his credentials.

 

Imagine how nuts Nebraska sports would be with Scott Frost running Nebraska football and Tyronn Lue running Nebraska basketball. Sheesh. 

 

No doubt he'd have to take a paycut to come here. I wonder if timing wise it won't align for Nebraska to at least give him an offer though, as LeBron could (will?) opt out at the end of this season. If he does I could see Lue coaching another year and the Cavs/him deciding to go their separate ways. At that point Nebraska will probably have just fired Tim Miles and it would sort of be a "now or never" thing. With his recent health issues I wonder if Lue wouldn't give the college game a look as its definitely less stressful and would allow him to spend time making sure he keeps his mind and body right while also coaching basketball at a place he loves and cares about. 

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Kind of random nugget I just thought of that would potentially be a hold up to this fantasy scenario:

 

Did Lue actually graduate from the University? Do you have to have a college degree to be a head coach for UNL? I know Lue left early but I was unsure if he got his degree or not. 

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2 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

Imagine how nuts Nebraska sports would be with Scott Frost running Nebraska football and Tyronn Lue running Nebraska basketball. Sheesh. 

Don't forget the excitement of Darin Erstad running Nebraska baseball. Oh wait...

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2 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

Kind of random nugget I just thought of that would potentially be a hold up to this fantasy scenario:

 

Did Lue actually graduate from the University? Do you have to have a college degree to be a head coach for UNL? I know Lue left early but I was unsure if he got his degree or not. 

 

I'm sure he could grab some credits this summer

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1 hour ago, GBRFAN said:

 

I'm sure he could grab some credits this summer

 

Naw, we'd just give him credit for life experience and print the dang thing out.  lulz :P

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3 hours ago, NUance said:

 

Naw, we'd just give him credit for life experience and print the dang thing out.  lulz :P

 

Maybe create an "experience" class called basketball coaching NON college 101, 102, 103 etc - class 301 could be dealing with players that think they are in charge of the team/league.....

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7 hours ago, HS_Coach_C said:

Don't forget the excitement of Darin Erstad running Nebraska baseball. Oh wait...

 

Put me in the “not sold on Lue” as the next Nebraska coach. 

 

People act like Lue was actually the coach of that team teaching them how to play the game and fundamentals. NOT!!!!

 

Erstad was a great major league player. Has he been successful?

 

Go get someone that has proven they can coach on college and is passionate about recruiting. 

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I don't think Lue would be successful here.

 

I'm not sure if he would be successful in college at all. He could be great. I'm not even sure if he would be successful in the NBA without Lebron James. LBJ has made a number of mediocre coaches look much better than their capabilities.

 

The NBA game, from a coaching standpoint, is night and day different than college.

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my take is if Avery Johnson can be successful at Alabama then Tyronn Lue can be successful at Nebraska. 

 

Lue was mentioned as being ready to be a head coach prior to taking over the Cavaliers. There is a lot more coaching in the NBA, especially in the playoffs, than many here either care to admit or actually know about. Even Steve Kerr doesn't just "roll the ball out and let them play". 

 

If Lue, with all his playing and coaching experience and NBA connections, can't recruit to Nebraska, then nobody can. This doesn't look like its happening ever at this point in time so its not worth fighting on it but again- Lue in my opinion would be more than successful here. Certainly no worse than we currently have. 

 

By the way- comparing Erstad and Lue is not even remotely close to the same thing and defies logic. Erstad had exactly 1 year of coaching experience when he took the Nebraska job- as a volunteer coach at Nebraska. Tyronn Lue won a NBA world championship as both a head coach and a player, and in his first year he was a head coach nonetheless. I'm shocked so many people are against this, yet were okay with Miles getting year 7.

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12 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

Lue was mentioned as being ready to be a head coach prior to taking over the Cavaliers. There is a lot more coaching in the NBA, especially in the playoffs, than many here either care to admit or actually know about. Even Steve Kerr doesn't just "roll the ball out and let them play". 

 

Coaching in college is totally different than the NBA with LBJ on your team running it.  The one thing that I will give you that Lue has major experience in doing is managing egos.  That is the only way he was able to win the NBA World Championship.  Even that was easier for him than most because he was hand picked by King James himself.  Other than that, he has zero experience evaluating HS talent, recruiting that HS talent, managing college student athletes, coaching fundamentals to those HS athletes.....etc.

 

Just because Lue has a big name right now in Basketball, that doesn't mean he understands how to recruit, is willing to put the work in to do it and is a good salesman for convincing HS kids to come to Nebraska.

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51 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Coaching in college is totally different than the NBA with LBJ on your team running it.  The one thing that I will give you that Lue has major experience in doing is managing egos.  That is the only way he was able to win the NBA World Championship.  Even that was easier for him than most because he was hand picked by King James himself.  Other than that, he has zero experience evaluating HS talent, recruiting that HS talent, managing college student athletes, coaching fundamentals to those HS athletes.....etc.

 

Just because Lue has a big name right now in Basketball, that doesn't mean he understands how to recruit, is willing to put the work in to do it and is a good salesman for convincing HS kids to come to Nebraska.

 

I understand he's never coached in college. That doesn't mean he's incapable of doing so or assembling a staff that would be great at it. 

 

Again- Tyronn Lue was widely recognized before taking over the Cleveland job as a guy that was going to get a head coaching job. https://www.boston.com/sports/celtics-blog/2009/10/23/lue_joins_celti

 

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Two years ago, when Rivers was winning a championship in Boston and Lue was a veteran reserve with the Magic, Rivers had talked to Lue.

 

“There’s guys you coach all the time that you say, ‘He’ll be a coach.’ And Ty Lue was on the top of that list,” Rivers said. “I told him when you’re ready to stop trying to play basketball and you want to come sit on the bench and join us, we’ll create it,” Rivers said. “No matter how many coaches we have, I’ll get you a job.”

 

This notion that he's incapable of running a college program because he's never done it before it just stupid in my opinion. There are plenty of coaches that spend their entire careers in college basketball that are incapable of running a good college basketball program. We employ one of them right now. In my opinion, to completely discredit what Tyronn Lue has done as a coach because "he had LeBron James" is not only a mistake, but a reflection of your understanding of the NBA as a whole. 

 

Lastly- this idea that Lue would have no idea how to evaluate HS talent or would have difficulty recruiting is a complete assumption on your end. You are correct that he may not have experience in those areas, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't or couldn't be good at doing those things. Even if you your assumption is correct, this is something that could easily be addressed in his staff and assistant coaches. A majority of the heavy recruiting and scouting is handled by staffers and assistants. Head coaches will travel on the summer circuit to the big AAU tournaments to see their top prospects and whatnot but those players have already been identified by the other members of the program long before that. And not to mention that every professional basketball organization has a scouting department that begins to scout not just high school players, but international players of interest when these kids are 14/15 years old. 

 

If Memphis is willing to hire Penny Hardaway, Alabama Avery Johnson, Tulane Mike Dunleavy Sr, etc there is zero reason Nebraska shouldn't reach out to Tyronn Lue if it had the opportunity. 

 

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13 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

By the way- comparing Erstad and Lue is not even remotely close to the same thing and defies logic. Erstad had exactly 1 year of coaching experience when he took the Nebraska job- as a volunteer coach at Nebraska. Tyronn Lue won a NBA world championship as both a head coach and a player, and in his first year he was a head coach nonetheless. I'm shocked so many people are against this, yet were okay with Miles getting year 7.

 

I agree that Lue and Erstad are not on the same level, however saying that TL has a "NBA world championship" and not mentioning that DE has it's equivalent in baseball (along with several awards) is interesting.  Also, are there any NBA teams outside of the United States?  if not, i'm pretty sure the use of "world" is over stated.

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14 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

 

I agree that Lue and Erstad are not on the same level, however saying that TL has a "NBA world championship" and not mentioning that DE has it's equivalent in baseball (along with several awards) is interesting.  Also, are there any NBA teams outside of the United States?  if not, i'm pretty sure the use of "world" is over stated.

There is one NBA team not in the USA.  The Toronto Raptors are in Canada.

 

The use of the word "world" is not overstated and not because all the teams are in two countries.  There is a reason the best players in the world want to play in the NBA and it's not all about the amount of money they can make.  The best players in any sport want to challenge themselves against the best and for basketball, that is the NBA.

 

I have no idea if Lue would make a good college coach, but if Cleveland decides they want him and NU decides they don't want Miles there's no reason to at least talk to him.  The worst thing that happens is he says "no" and they move on to another target.  I doubt NU could lure him away from Cleveland, but if he's looking and NU's looking, why not?

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Hey i'm with you 100% - i'm very intrigued by Lue - not so intrigued with Miles.  I will cheer for TM until a better option comes along or he figures out how to get NU two levels up.

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11 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

Hey i'm with you 100% - i'm very intrigued by Lue - not so intrigued with Miles.  I will cheer for TM until a better option comes along or he figures out how to get NU two levels up.

 

As we all should

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1 hour ago, seaofred92 said:

That doesn't mean he's incapable of doing so or assembling a staff that would be great at it. 

I never said he isn't capable of doing it or capable of assembling a staff.  I'm not really interested in Nebraska being his first place to learn how to do it.

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11 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

I'd much rather have someone like Mark Gottfried than Ty Lue. 

 

Even if he set up the $40,000 payment to Dennis Smith Jr.'s parents?

 

(not saying he did, but the FBI still hasn't said who the coach was)

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13 minutes ago, GSG said:

 

Even if he set up the $40,000 payment to Dennis Smith Jr.'s parents?

 

(not saying he did, but the FBI still hasn't said who the coach was)

 

For some reason, I didn't think they overlapped at NC State, but yes, that would be problematic. 

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30 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

For some reason, I didn't think they overlapped at NC State, but yes, that would be problematic. 

 

 

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Based on the timing of events, such as when the recruit committed to N.C. State and when he entered the NBA draft, the athlete described in the FBI documents is believed to be Dennis Smith Jr., a point guard who played one season at N.C. State under coach Mark Gottfried from 2016-17 before heading to the NBA draft. "Parent-1" is believed to be Smith's father, Dennis Smith Sr.

 

When asked about the FBI's indictment on Wednesday, Smith declined to talk about it but said he was not worried about the situation, according to the Dallas Morning News.

 

Identifying “Coach-4” isn’t as easy.

 

Gottfried was N.C. State’s head coach in September, October and December 2015, periods of time spelled out under "Allegations Related to North Carolina State University" portion in the FBI's latest indictment. Orlando Early was an assistant coach at N.C. State from 2011 until he, along with Gottfried, were fired in February 2017. Gottfried and Early were heavily involved in the recruitment of Smith.

 

 

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article208585254.html

 

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2 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

I understand he's never coached in college. That doesn't mean he's incapable of doing so or assembling a staff that would be great at it. 

 

Likewise, I understand he has been a head coach in the NBA. That doesn't mean he's capable of doing the same at Nebraska, or assembling a quality staff that would be great at coaching college basketball.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

This notion that he's incapable of running a college program because he's never done it before it just stupid in my opinion.

 

Nobody has stated factually that he is incapable. People have expressed skepticism, because there are no data points and sometimes people require evidence to believe things will be true.

 

 

2 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

Lastly- this idea that Lue would have no idea how to evaluate HS talent or would have difficulty recruiting is a complete assumption on your end.

 

 

More or less of an assumption than assuming that he would be a good college coach at his alma mater because he's done good coaching the Cleveland Cavaliers? You're assuming a claim without evidence. Others are assuming skepticism in the face of no evidence. One is wishful thinking, one is pragmatic.

 

 

 

15 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

my take is if Avery Johnson can be successful at Alabama then Tyronn Lue can be successful at Nebraska. 

 

 

 

Cool. My take is that your take is completely meaningless, because I could easily counter with, "my take is if Eddie Jordan failed so miserably at Rutgers then Tyronn Lue will also fail at Nebraska."

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On ‎4‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 10:38 PM, Landlord said:

I don't think Lue would be successful here.

 

I'm not sure if he would be successful in college at all. He could be great. I'm not even sure if he would be successful in the NBA without Lebron James. LBJ has made a number of mediocre coaches look much better than their capabilities.

 

The NBA game, from a coaching standpoint, is night and day different than college.

 

Lebagg is the one controlling the puppet of Lou. He might be a good pro coach but I don't think he'd be very good at recruiting at all. Who wants to play for the guy that got stepped over by AI?

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I'm pretty sure the cavs went 9 1 when Lue didn't coach them this year yet they've struggled with him coaching.  I think Nebraska fans are either overrating Lue or don't pay much attention to the NBA.

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22 hours ago, huskerfan333157 said:

I'm pretty sure the cavs went 9 1 when Lue didn't coach them this year yet they've struggled with him coaching.  I think Nebraska fans are either overrating Lue or don't pay much attention to the NBA.

yeah lets ignore the NBA Title he won and say that he's overrated.

 

Amazing to me how many people are so quick to discredit Lue's accomplishments, mostly because ironically they don't want the NBA

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9 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

yeah lets ignore the NBA Title he won and say that he's overrated.

 

Amazing to me how many people are so quick to discredit Lue's accomplishments, mostly because ironically they don't want the NBA

1.  Cleveland's talent was far superior to anyone in the east.

2. They won because green got suspended and i believe the warriors had a few injuries.  

3.  If he was such a great coach then how did Larry Drew go 9-1 with that same team this year? Even die-hard Cleveland fans doesn't think he's a good coach. Just because he's a Nebraska boy doesn't automatically mean he's great.  I'll trust Cleveland's fans opinions (who watch night in and night out) over someone that doesn't pay close attention to them.

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10 hours ago, seaofred92 said:

yeah lets ignore the NBA Title he won and say that he's overrated.

 

Amazing to me how many people are so quick to discredit Lue's accomplishments, mostly because ironically they don't want the NBA

 

LeBron. 

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There's only one reason that someone could legitimately want Ty Lue coaching at Nebraska, and it isn't his coaching acumen. 

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On 5/16/2018 at 7:16 AM, Cdog923 said:

There's only one reason that someone could legitimately want Ty Lue coaching at Nebraska, and it isn't his coaching acumen. 

So we can finally have another name to cheer that sounds like boo?

Ruud, Suh, Lue -

 

I think it's a great strategy myself, too bad Erstad doesn't sound like boo.

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7 hours ago, HS_Coach_C said:

So we can finally have another name to cheer that sounds like boo?

Ruud, Suh, Lue -

 

I think it's a great strategy myself, too bad Erstad doesn't sound like boo.

You forgot Shoooo for Jerry Shoecraft

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