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I see all these skill guys, I see a couple/few lineman. 

 

I know speed kills and SF offense relies on space and mismatches. When do we start land 3-4 Star line recruits? It’s allllll about the trenches IMHO. 

 

do we have some guys that are solid and leaning towards us? Don’t we need lineman?? 

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Look at our roster....we will add a 3 star OT tomorrow and signed a 3 star C/OG our starting line next year will consist of all 3 and 4 star OL....4 star OL on our roster currently by atleast 1 service

 

Farniok

Raridon

Jaimes

Barnett 

 

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15 hours ago, I am I said:

I see all these skill guys, I see a couple/few lineman. 

 

I know speed kills and SF offense relies on space and mismatches. When do we start land 3-4 Star line recruits? It’s allllll about the trenches IMHO. 

 

do we have some guys that are solid and leaning towards us? Don’t we need lineman?? 

 

It's a good question, but probably going to have to wait for the next season when Frost & Co. have a full year to recruit.

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15 hours ago, I am I said:

I see all these skill guys, I see a couple/few lineman. 

 

I know speed kills and SF offense relies on space and mismatches. When do we start land 3-4 Star line recruits? It’s allllll about the trenches IMHO. 

 

do we have some guys that are solid and leaning towards us? Don’t we need lineman?? 

There are tons of guys on scholarship for OL.  Frost & Co. addressed some of the biggest needs for this class right now.  I can guarantee we'll see some good OL and DL in next year's class.

 

For some reason it usually seems like linemen take longer to develop a relationship with in order to get a commitment. (in general, not always) This hurt us with the early signing period and coaching change this year.  Next year will be different.

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Thanks guys. I follow it, maybe not as close as I should 

 

I knew we had some guys coming up but was wondering about signees. Answers the question tho. 

 

Cheers 

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The cupboard isn't bare.  Maybe with Duval coaching strength and conditioning, the 3* and 4* talent already on the roster will flourish.  

 

2 or 3 OL in a class seems about right, and we got 2.

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A little more on this.  Here are the linemen currently on scholarship, class for the 2018 season, and their 247 composite coming out of high school:

 

Matt Sichterman - RFr. - .8757

Broc Bando - RFr. - .8412

Chris Walker - RFr. - .8411  (I'm not convinced he stays on the OL, he loves Defense)

 

John Raridon - So. - .9452

Matt Farniok - So. - .8934

Bryan Brokop - So. - .8847

Brendan Jaimes - So. - .8797

Boe Wilson - So. - .8559

 

Jalin Barnett - Jr. - .9219

Christian Gaylord - Jr. - .8715

Michael Decker - Jr. - .8543

 

Tanner Farmer - Sr. - .9021

Jerald Foster - Sr. - .8915

Cole Conrad - Sr. - N/A

 

Knevel & Gates are the only 2 leaving from this year, so with the 2 new scholarship OL, the numbers will be the same next year (barring attrition)

 

The cupboard isn't bare.  There will be 10 OL that are Freshmen or Sophomores in 2018, and 6 upperclassmen.  Some of these guys were pretty highly rated.  Give them a chance with a new scheme and new coaching staff.  I think they'll surprise lots of people.

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On 2/8/2018 at 8:44 AM, HS_Coach_C said:

A little more on this.  Here are the linemen currently on scholarship, class for the 2018 season, and their 247 composite coming out of high school:

 

Matt Sichterman - RFr. - .8757

Broc Bando - RFr. - .8412

Chris Walker - RFr. - .8411  (I'm not convinced he stays on the OL, he loves Defense)

 

John Raridon - So. - .9452

Matt Farniok - So. - .8934

Bryan Brokop - So. - .8847

Brendan Jaimes - So. - .8797

Boe Wilson - So. - .8559

 

Jalin Barnett - Jr. - .9219

Christian Gaylord - Jr. - .8715

Michael Decker - Jr. - .8543

 

Tanner Farmer - Sr. - .9021

Jerald Foster - Sr. - .8915

Cole Conrad - Sr. - N/A

 

Knevel & Gates are the only 2 leaving from this year, so with the 2 new scholarship OL, the numbers will be the same next year (barring attrition)

 

The cupboard isn't bare.  There will be 10 OL that are Freshmen or Sophomores in 2018, and 6 upperclassmen.  Some of these guys were pretty highly rated.  Give them a chance with a new scheme and new coaching staff.  I think they'll surprise lots of people.

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This would be a good start.

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So we've got players that haven't been working out properly in the weight room for the past 3 years.  It's going to take at least a couple of years to recover from that.  One off-season of workouts won't overcome not gaining strength for 3 years.

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1 minute ago, 4skers89 said:

So we've got players that haven't been working out properly in the weight room for the past 3 years.  It's going to take at least a couple of years to recover from that.  One off-season of workouts won't overcome not gaining strength for 3 years.

I think the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of what we've heard.  I'm sure they were doing a lot of lifting, including legs, but to what extent, we can't know for sure.  It's possible this is an exaggeration also, though the results on the field definitely show a lack of skill and strength on the line.

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8 hours ago, HS_Coach_C said:

I think the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of what we've heard.  I'm sure they were doing a lot of lifting, including legs, but to what extent, we can't know for sure.  It's possible this is an exaggeration also, though the results on the field definitely show a lack of skill and strength on the line.

I think the old staff did more Olympic style squatting and Frosts staff is doing it the old-fashioned way. Regular squats are different from Olympic style squats, but I am not sure how they are different. I also remember a video of Tanner Farmer doing squats but I can't find it.

 

Anyway, I love this new nasty mentality for the line. No more kumbaya its okay if we lose, get them to go out there and dominate the opposing team. Also, these guys will not only be trained properly but they will be developed properly and the best players will play. If we can dominate the fourth like we did in 2016, that would be an improvement form the quitting mentality the team had last year.

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I’m not buying the idea the previous staff didn’t have them squat. 

 

Heck, they had squat competitions that were filmed and put on line. 

 

Are you you going to have weight lifting competitions and brag about it on line if you aren’t doing the lifts on a regular basis????

 

not. 

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Listening to Sharp & Benning... It was stated they squatted out of season and made gains but in season Riley didn’t want them lifting too much for fear of injury. Mark Phillip’s hands were tied. Some guys did squat and commit to weights in season but the accountability and requirement was not there so some guys got lazy and didn’t lift like they should have. They also weren’t required to eat 3 meals a day at the training table and were eating bad foods. The body fat on these guys was way too high. They lost muscle mass as the season went on and thus lost mental confidence. When they did squat it was an assisted Olympic type. 

 

Now they are doing old school bar on the back squats and it’s being required with accountability for all linemen consistently. All the team is also required to eat 3 meals a day from the training table to eliminate a lot of the bad food options they were choosing. 

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6 hours ago, girlknowsfootball said:

Listening to Sharp & Benning... It was stated they squatted out of season and made gains but in season Riley didn’t want them lifting too much for fear of injury. Mark Phillip’s hands were tied. Some guys did squat and commit to weights in season but the accountability and requirement was not there so some guys got lazy and didn’t lift like they should have. They also weren’t required to eat 3 meals a day at the training table and were eating bad foods. The body fat on these guys was way too high. They lost muscle mass as the season went on and thus lost mental confidence. When they did squat it was an assisted Olympic type. 

 

Now they are doing old school bar on the back squats and it’s being required with accountability for all linemen consistently. All the team is also required to eat 3 meals a day from the training table to eliminate a lot of the bad food options they were choosing. 

I wouldn't expect upper classmen that get a lot of playing time to have the same workout in season as their off season workout. I assumed in season workouts would be geared toward maintaining strength rather than increasing strength. Not lifting for 4 months is shocking to think how much strength they probably lost. Without being very disciplined with diet it's easy to put on fat since you're no longer burning off a lot of calories.  I wonder if Riley also thought weight lifting made players slow which was a prevailing misconception back in his playing days.:lol:

 

Do you have more information on Olympic type squats that they were doing? Google told me it's high bar squat and depth is lower which sounds different from what you alluded to.

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10 hours ago, girlknowsfootball said:

Listening to Sharp & Benning... It was stated they squatted out of season and made gains but in season Riley didn’t want them lifting too much for fear of injury. Mark Phillip’s hands were tied. Some guys did squat and commit to weights in season but the accountability and requirement was not there so some guys got lazy and didn’t lift like they should have. They also weren’t required to eat 3 meals a day at the training table and were eating bad foods. The body fat on these guys was way too high. They lost muscle mass as the season went on and thus lost mental confidence. When they did squat it was an assisted Olympic type. 

 

Now they are doing old school bar on the back squats and it’s being required with accountability for all linemen consistently. All the team is also required to eat 3 meals a day from the training table to eliminate a lot of the bad food options they were choosing. 

It showed. They had the athletic ability to get it done but were constantly out of position and one step behind.

 

56 guys on the UCF team this year were 0-12 two years ago. Unified purpose and a cohesive staff makes all the difference in the world.

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