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We're going to have a lot of talent, but not a lot of experience.  Could get pretty crowded right off the bat.  Do any of the QB's have what it takes, in terms of mentality/physicality to become a receiver, or even switch to another position?  Or are they all purely QB's?

 

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3 scholarship QB's, several walkon's (but one is Vedral, presumably on scholarship next year).  Wondering if any would become a Newcombe or Darlington, rather than transfer.  Can't all be the starter and backup #1.  Someone's not going to see the field.

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4 minutes ago, Dilly Dilly said:

3 scholarship QB's, several walkon's (but one is Vedral, presumably on scholarship next year).  Wondering if any would become a Newcombe or Darlington, rather than transfer.  Can't all be the starter and backup #1.  Someone's not going to see the field.

None of them have that kind of skillset exept maybe Martinez but I doubt he switches.

 

The QB battle should be fun this springand hopefully we can have one of our scholarship guys at 3rd string next year instead of transferring somewhere else. Best bet would probably be to RS Martinez and start POB but I don't know if POB is our best guy and Frost will put the best guy on the field. 

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That's pretty much my take, too, but i would really hate to lose any of them to transfer, especially if they can help the team at another position.

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10 hours ago, Dilly Dilly said:

3 scholarship QB's, several walkon's (but one is Vedral, presumably on scholarship next year).  Wondering if any would become a Newcombe or Darlington, rather than transfer.  Can't all be the starter and backup #1.  Someone's not going to see the field.

 

Tristan Gebbia at TE is the best idea you've ever had. 

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None of the scholarship QB's are going to switch positions (maybe Vedral in 2-3 years if he is relegated to a backup or #3 QB).  If Gebbia or POB are 3rd string in the fall, they are gone.  Martinez will probably play this year.

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10 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

Tristan Gebbia at TE is the best idea you've ever had. 

 

I get what you see - however a look at NT might be wise

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20 hours ago, Dilly Dilly said:

3 scholarship QB's, several walkon's (but one is Vedral, presumably on scholarship next year).  Wondering if any would become a Newcombe or Darlington, rather than transfer.  Can't all be the starter and backup #1.  Someone's not going to see the field.

Newcombe was a GREAT QB (better than Crouch in my view) but he was a fanstatic athlete (one of the top ten ever at NU).   None of the QBs of the past decade are in the category of athlete that Newcombe was - not even in the same ballpark.  Darlington and POB and Gebbia are more comparable, although it is hard to know as we've seen almost nothing of Darlington but I will assume he is a tad better runner than either Gebbia or POB.  Gebbia and POB are better QBs, based on what little we've heard/seen, than Darlington.   

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10 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

Tristan Gebbia at TE is the best idea you've ever had. 

 

Why not shoot for Center?  He IS a film junkie and should know all the calls to make.

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1 minute ago, Dilly Dilly said:

 

Why not shoot for Center?  He IS a film junkie and should know all the calls to make.

I was personally thinking LG tbh

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9 hours ago, onlyHskrfaninIL said:

Martinez will play this year.  The loser of Gebbia/POB transfers out after spring ball.

How much you want to bet?

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On 2/8/2018 at 8:46 PM, Nebfanatic said:

None of them have that kind of skillset exept maybe Martinez but I doubt he switches.

 

The QB battle should be fun this springand hopefully we can have one of our scholarship guys at 3rd string next year instead of transferring somewhere else. Best bet would probably be to RS Martinez and start POB but I don't know if POB is our best guy and Frost will put the best guy on the field. 

 

Something tells me that Martinez is going to start next season.  Not making a prediction, just verbalizing a hunch.

 

If I had to guess, I would say no QBs will switch positions.  Although, O'Brien might be able to play TE (more of a blocker than anything) just based on size.  No idea if he's strong or physical enough to actually play TE though. 

 

My hunch is the fall depth chart at QB will be:

#1 Martinez

#2 Gebbia

#3 Bunch

#4 O'Brien

 

Of all the QBs, I think O'Brien is perhaps the least suited to run Coach Frost's offense. 

 

Now that I've said that, watch POB emerge as the starter...:eek:

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1 hour ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

Something tells me that Martinez is going to start next season.  Not making a prediction, just verbalizing a hunch.

 

If I had to guess, I would say no QBs will switch positions.  Although, O'Brien might be able to play TE (more of a blocker than anything) just based on size.  No idea if he's strong or physical enough to actually play TE though. 

 

My hunch is the fall depth chart at QB will be:

#1 Martinez

#2 Gebbia

#3 Bunch

#4 O'Brien

 

Of all the QBs, I think O'Brien is perhaps the least suited to run Coach Frost's offense. 

 

Now that I've said that, watch POB emerge as the starter...:eek:

 

 

So POB gets put 4th on the depth chart because we're switching to an offense he ran in high school and he'll fail bigtime.

 

What is the fascination with Gebbia?  He hasn't played a down yet and he's a pocket passer.

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6 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

So POB gets put 4th on the depth chart because we're switching to an offense he ran in high school and he'll fail bigtime.

 

What is the fascination with Gebbia?  He hasn't played a down yet and he's a pocket passer.

Gebbia is a talented kid who gets Alot of his love on here for his spring game performance last year against a Bob Diaco D.He could very well be the starter this fall but I'm thinking POB.Like Blitz said he has experienced in this type of O.

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15 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Newcombe was a GREAT QB (better than Crouch in my view) but he was a fanstatic athlete (one of the top ten ever at NU).   None of the QBs of the past decade are in the category of athlete that Newcombe was - not even in the same ballpark.  Darlington and POB and Gebbia are more comparable, although it is hard to know as we've seen almost nothing of Darlington but I will assume he is a tad better runner than either Gebbia or POB.  Gebbia and POB are better QBs, based on what little we've heard/seen, than Darlington.   

Newcombe did not like contact. Crouch took a beating all year and was very durable. To put Newcombe top ten as an athlete in all of NU's storied years is a bit of a stretch.

I'm not saying that Newcombe didn't have athleticism. He definitely was a better return man and receiver. Except of course the reverse pass Crouch caught vs the Sooners.

Edit: you did say past decade, my bad.

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1 hour ago, man eating mastodon said:

Gebbia is a talented kid who gets Alot of his love on here for his spring game performance last year against a Bob Diaco D.He could very well be the starter this fall but I'm thinking POB.Like Blitz said he has experienced in this type of O.

Frost has stated multiple times that the key for his QB to be successful is they have to make quick, smart decisions. Gebbia was loved by the previous staff for staying late, studying the playbook and his knowledge seemed evident with his spring game performance and in fall camp. 

 

Not saying that any of the other QBs couldn’t do this as well but that’s why I personally put Gebbia as the favorite.

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33 minutes ago, hskerprid said:

Newcombe did not like contact. Crouch took a beating all year and was very durable. To put Newcombe top ten as an athlete in all of NU's storied years is a bit of a stretch.

I'm not saying that Newcombe didn't have athleticism. He definitely was a better return man and receiver. Except of course the reverse pass Crouch caught vs the Sooners.

Edit: you did say past decade, my bad.

Osborne I recall stated he believed Bobby Newcombe might be the best athlete he ever recruited.   Crouch was a tough player and one of NU's best as well but Newcombe was better.  I recall a letter to editor by Tom Osborne in support of Newcombe being a QB.  At the time that Crouch quit the team because he was not going to win the starting QB job over Bobby and the fans were split.  Frank went to Omaha and talked Crouch into returning to the team and Crouch was awarded the job and Newcombe was moved to receiver.   Newcombe blew out a knew of course and never quite recovered despite going to Alabama as I recall to the 'best' knew Doc for his surgery.   These are my best recollection of the facts of the two players from about 20 years ago so I could be off a tad but this is the gist of the story.   I should also add that Newcombe has always been one of my favorite Huskers while Crouch was not but there is no  question both were great Huskers.  

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Gebbia will be the starter. POB will transfer out forcing Martinez into the backup role. 

 

I think in 2019 the race is opened back up and Vedral will have a very good shot at winning the job.

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8 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

So POB gets put 4th on the depth chart because we're switching to an offense he ran in high school and he'll fail bigtime.

 

What is the fascination with Gebbia?  He hasn't played a down yet and he's a pocket passer.

 

I just don't think O'Brien has the wheels to play in Frost's offense--and there is a huge difference in defenses from high school to college.  Specifically to your point about O'Brien playing in a system similar to Frost's in high school; Taylor Martinez passed for over 3,000 yards (if I recall correctly) his senior year in high school and at Nebraska he wasn't the passing QB we initially thought.  

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1 hour ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

I just don't think O'Brien has the wheels to play in Frost's offense--and there is a huge difference in defenses from high school to college.  Specifically to your point about O'Brien playing in a system similar to Frost's in high school; Taylor Martinez passed for over 3,000 yards (if I recall correctly) his senior year in high school and at Nebraska he wasn't the passing QB we initially thought.  

 

I suggest you go back and watch senior videos of both POB and Gebbia and see if you still have the same opinion. Sure, this was when they were in high school...but, the offense that POB ran is very close to what Frost runs (zone reads, counters, sweeps) and the offense that Gebbia ran is very close to what Mike Riley ran here.

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12 minutes ago, In the Deed the Glory said:

We have people in this thread that think Gebbia will start next year over 2 players that ran this offense in high school and another person claiming our only Heisman winning QB wasn't the best QB on his own team...

 

Count me as one who thinks Gebbia starts.  He's just mobile enough, seems fairly accurate, but the biggest part is that he's a film junkie.  That, to me, is going to be the thing that edges him out over others.  The QB is going to have to think fast.  So, i think with the time he allegedly puts in with watching film, he'll be able to have a better feel for a game.

 

I'm also thinking that Crouch wasn't really the best at QB.  The Heisman race that year was really pretty damned weak, and the only reason they gave it to EC was because he caught a pass.  I wont argue that he was damned good, but it will also leave a sour taste in my mouth about how it seems like he pouted his way back into the position.

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3 hours ago, bugeater17 said:

Gebbia will be the starter. POB will transfer out forcing Martinez into the backup role. 

 

I think in 2019 the race is opened back up and Vedral will have a very good shot at winning the job.

 

Vedral is following SF because he is from Nebraska and wants to coach someday - don't see his skill set being a starter in Lincoln during the next 4 years.  However, he will hopefully see some game time and will be super valuable as another face in the QB room.

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2 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

 

Vedral is following SF because he is from Nebraska and wants to coach someday - don't see his skill set being a starter in Lincoln during the next 4 years.  However, he will hopefully see some game time and will be super valuable as another face in the QB room.

He was # 2 at CF and they had the number one offense in the country.... don't sell him short

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On 2/8/2018 at 8:38 PM, Dilly Dilly said:

3 scholarship QB's, several walkon's (but one is Vedral, presumably on scholarship next year).  Wondering if any would become a Newcombe or Darlington, rather than transfer.  Can't all be the starter and backup #1.  Someone's not going to see the field.

I could see one of em developing into a holder, sure. 

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1 hour ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

I suggest you go back and watch senior videos of both POB and Gebbia and see if you still have the same opinion. Sure, this was when they were in high school...but, the offense that POB ran is very close to what Frost runs (zone reads, counters, sweeps) and the offense that Gebbia ran is very close to what Mike Riley ran here.

 

Regarding offenses, and who ran what in high school...that's not really my point.

 

When I saw Gebbia and O'Brien in last year's spring game, Gebbia looked quicker and more agile than O'Brien.  Granted perception, from anyone, can be easily skewed by a myriad of factors.    

 

Hence my thinking that from a quickness and agility standpoint, Gebbia would be a better fit than O'Brien for Frost's offense.  Not saying I'm right, saying that's my perception.

 

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Why is this not a poll?  Sounds like there are a lot of different takes.  I don't really have more to add, but the cream should rise to the top.

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2 hours ago, In the Deed the Glory said:

We have people in this thread that think Gebbia will start next year over 2 players that ran this offense in high school and another person claiming our only Heisman winning QB wasn't the best QB on his own team...

Just another day on Huskerboard.

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3 hours ago, In the Deed the Glory said:

We have people in this thread that think Gebbia will start next year over 2 players that ran this offense in high school and another person claiming our only Heisman winning QB wasn't the best QB on his own team...

What players ran this offense in high school? Martinez ran a similar offense but definitely not the same. Not sure who else ran anything similar. 

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2 hours ago, Dilly Dilly said:

 

Count me as one who thinks Gebbia starts.  He's just mobile enough, seems fairly accurate, but the biggest part is that he's a film junkie.  That, to me, is going to be the thing that edges him out over others.  The QB is going to have to think fast.  So, i think with the time he allegedly puts in with watching film, he'll be able to have a better feel for a game.

 

I'm also thinking that Crouch wasn't really the best at QB.  The Heisman race that year was really pretty damned weak, and the only reason they gave it to EC was because he caught a pass.  I wont argue that he was damned good, but it will also leave a sour taste in my mouth about how it seems like he pouted his way back into the position.

Bobby Newcombe wasn’t the same after his knee injury, and Crouch took over the starting QB in ‘99 because he was the better QB. Yes, Crouch didn’t handle things great in Fall camp, but he was pissed off and needed a day to cool off. I don’t know what him winning the Heisman 2 years later has anything to do with his competition with Newcombe in ‘99.

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4 hours ago, Kiyoat Husker said:

Why is this not a poll?  Sounds like there are a lot of different takes.  I don't really have more to add, but the cream should rise to the top.

Don't know which player will start and which one will be #2, but I am confident the best player will be the starter.  Of that I am convinced.

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5 hours ago, bugeater17 said:

What players ran this offense in high school? Martinez ran a similar offense but definitely not the same. Not sure who else ran anything similar. 

POB ran something similar and had many a zone read on his highlight reel

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4 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

POB ran something similar and had many a zone read on his highlight reel

I understand POB’s highlight reel, but doing it at the college level is totally different. I understand POB is “mobile” but it will be interesting to see if he is quick enough to run Frost’s offense and has the ball handling skills that Frost likes too. 

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9 hours ago, In the Deed the Glory said:

We have people in this thread that think Gebbia will start next year over 2 players that ran this offense in high school and another person claiming our only Heisman winning QB wasn't the best QB on his own team...

I agree that Newcombe was better than Crouch until he got hurt. How awesome is it to watch a true freshman returning punts for TDs, knowing that he will be your QB next year. As far as who starts next year, my best guess would be Martinez, but I really have no idea.

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49 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I understand POB’s highlight reel, but doing it at the college level is totally different. I understand POB is “mobile” but it will be interesting to see if he is quick enough to run Frost’s offense and has the ball handling skills that Frost likes too. 

I agree that Frost is not looking for mobile. I think Frost wants defenses to fear the QB taking off for a TD. That opens up the field for other players.

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Maybe his senior highlights looked different, but actually watching him in action here, he strikes me as more of a scrambler than a true running QB.

 

12 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Frank went to Omaha and talked Crouch into returning to the team

 

The beginning of the end for Solich, IMO. He never was quite able to truly take control of things. Though nowhere near as bad as Riley...

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9 hours ago, In the Deed the Glory said:

We have people in this thread that think Gebbia will start next year over 2 players that ran this offense in high school and another person claiming our only Heisman winning QB wasn't the best QB on his own team...

 No one ran this same offense and it isn't high school stop

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Newcombe was never better than Crouch, imo. He was basically Jamal Turner at the QB position. He didn't know when to start going forward. He could dance around forever but often didn't pick up yards.

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8 hours ago, Moiraine said:

Newcombe was never better than Crouch, imo. He was basically Jamal Turner at the QB position. He didn't know when to start going forward. He could dance around forever but often didn't pick up yards.

Newcombe as a true freshman and sophomore was so electric. Newcombe was as good, if not better than Crouch before his knee injury. In the 98 spring game, Newcombe took an option keeper 90 yards down the sideline like he was shot out of a cannon. That guy was special before his injury.  I’m not turning this into a Crouch vs. Newcombe thing, I’m just pointing out how good Newcombe was. The only thing I would have worried about Newcombe was his durability, as he was a little slight to play QB.

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9 hours ago, Moiraine said:

Newcombe was never better than Crouch, imo. He was basically Jamal Turner at the QB position. He didn't know when to start going forward. He could dance around forever but often didn't pick up yards.

Newcombe was much better passer than Crouch (I believe he was one of our most accurate ever) and threw a very catchable pass.  He was faster than Crouch (Crouch was very fast as well).   Crouch was a tougher runner although he was only 6' -190 and Newcombe was a similar size I believe.  Newcombe was one of those 'glide' runners, like a deer, he took the most amazing long strides and was going much faster than most players on the field realized and many took bad angles.  He was a track star as well.  

 

I think Crouch would have made a WR spot in the NFL had he played WR in college and learned the position to a high level.   Nobody is claiming Crouch wasnt an excellent Husker QB but I still believe he was NOT NU's best QB the year he won the Heisman.  But before Bobby blew the knee in the spring game, he had a chance to NU's best ever QB in my not so humble opinion.  He may well have been a lightning fast version of Turner Gill.  

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9 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Newcombe was much better passer than Crouch (I believe he was one of our most accurate ever) and threw a very catchable pass.  He was faster than Crouch (Crouch was very fast as well).   Crouch was a tougher runner although he was only 6' -190 and Newcombe was a similar size I believe.  Newcombe was one of those 'glide' runners, like a deer, he took the most amazing long strides and was going much faster than most players on the field realized and many took bad angles.  He was a track star as well.  

 

I think Crouch would have made a WR spot in the NFL had he played WR in college and learned the position to a high level.   Nobody is claiming Crouch wasnt an excellent Husker QB but I still believe he was NOT NU's best QB the year he won the Heisman.  But before Bobby blew the knee in the spring game, he had a chance to NU's best ever QB in my not so humble opinion.  He may well have been a lightning fast version of Turner Gill.  

Just nitpicking here, 84, but Newcombe wasn’t on the team in Crouch’s senior/Heisman winning season. Newcombe graduated after the 2000 season. 

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Seeing as Gebbia set passing records in California, and was far from being a statue back there. Yeah, I'd say he is more mobile than people give him credit for.

 

The shelf is not bare and all three quarterbacks COULD succeed in this offense.

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