Which Nebraska QB would you choose for Frost's offense?

[84HuskerLaw]

17 hours ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

 

I think he was plenty quick/elusive enough for Frost's offense. He wasn't quick/elusive like Frazier but Frazier wasn't the passer Brook was either. You need to be able to do both in this offense and Brook would fit it very well imo.

Newcombe was the fastest QB (maybe player of any position) in Husker history.   He ran like a deer

[Moiraine]

18 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Frost was MUCH better QB than Martinez.    Obviously he was smart enough to run his own offense.  That is also a key.  Quick decisions.  Frost much better than TMagic.  That's where Gill, Gdowski, Frazier, Berringer, Taylor, Newcombe all shine.   Crouch could also run this offense well.  He wasn't maybe a quick a decision maker at times (he didn't run the option well and that requires great, quick decisions.    

 

 

Not sure why this is a reply to me. I didn't say Martinez was better than Frost. I was mentioning Frost as a coach not making throwing motion a deciding factor for his QB.

 

That said I think Martinez would be a better QB for this offense than Frost. Assuming we're talking 18-22 yr old Frost who doesn't know the offense like the back of his hand.

[Guy Chamberlin]

2 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

Bill Walsh also kind of broke Frost, to a certain extent, as a quarterback. Started toying around with his throwing motion and trying to get him to change his muscle memory. If my memory serves correctly.

 

 

Well Walsh was using his considerable experience with quarterbacks to mold Frost into a Pac 10 and NFL quarterback. I don't think he broke Frost, he just realized the kid would be a better safety than a quarterback in his system, and in the NFL. Frost was made for Nebraska. 

 

Scott Frost would always have been a damn good player and athlete, but if he had the same Nebraska defense that Taylor Martinez had behind him, we probably wouldn't be talking about Scott Frost today.  Honestly not sure how Tommie Frazier would have fared without that incredible pipleline of Offensive Line talent, either.

 

 

[Mavric]

18 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

That said I think Martinez would be a better QB for this offense than Frost. Assuming we're talking 18-22 yr old Frost who doesn't know the offense like the back of his hand.

 

But you think 43-year-old Frost would be a better QB in this system than Martinez?  

[Moiraine]

36 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

But you think 43-year-old Frost would be a better QB in this system than Martinez?  

 

 

Nope. Just saying this hypothetical Frost in Frost's offense can't have Old Frost's knowledge.

[Guy Chamberlin]

6 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

 

3)  When the offense was forced into obvious passing situations, the offense wasn't conducive to being very successful in those situations, leading to a lower completion % (could be a chicken-egg argument)

 

 

 

That's definitely true. And when you only throw 150 times a season, a couple bad games can really drag the average down. 

[Big Red 40]

I went with Crouch . I thought he was a more elusive , physical runner than Tmart, and a better passer. The rest on the list were more pass, or run heavy,  i thought Crouch had about the best balance i can remember.

[Danimal]

9 hours ago, Hans Gruber said:

I don't want to relitigate Martinez's entire career, but his mechanics were much improved his last two years after he started working with that Calhoun guy. They were bad his sophomore year because he was hurt. IIRC, he had a bad ankle on one leg and a bad knee or foot on the other.

 

 

Yes, that Calhoun guy working with TM for a few weeks made a significant difference and you have to recognize how many injuries TM had to deal with.  I think a healthy TM would wreck **** with Verduzco and Frost developing him long term.

[gobiggergoredder]

There are 3 QBs on the current roster that are better suited for this offense than T-Mart.  Add the coach and you have 4.

 

This is great reading.  GBR.

[RedDenver]

The only guys even in the running are Turner Gill, Steve Taylor, Gerry Gdowski, and Tommie Frazier. All the others were runners or passers but not both, and Frazier is on there mostly because his field presence in second to none.

[Big Red 40]

Crouch's stats are just as balanced and productive, if not more, than any of those guys. He would excel in frosts offense too.

Gerry Gdowski

						Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
Career	Nebraska					77	146	52.7	1398	9.6	11.7	20	2	175.6
1987	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	6	1	2	50.0	8	4.0	4.0	0	0	83.6
1988	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	7	5	8	62.5	64	8.0	10.5	1	0	171.0
1989	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	11	71	136	52.2	1326	9.8	11.9	19	2	177.3

 

						Rushing				Receiving				Scrimmage
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
Career	Nebraska
1987	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	6	18	131	7.3	2					18	131	7.3	2
1988	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	7	17	155	9.1	2					17	155	9.1	2
1989	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	11	117	925	7.9	13					117	925	7.9	13

Steve Taylor

						Rushing				Receiving				Scrimmage
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
Career	Nebraska					431	21
1985	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	5	14	103	7.4	2					14	103	7.4	2
1986	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	10	130	537	4.1	9					130	537	4.1	9
1987	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	10	130	659	5.1	8					130	659	5.1	8
1988	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	12	157	826	5.3	13					157	826	5.3	13

						Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
Career	Nebraska					184	404	45.5	2815	7.0	5.8	30	24	116.7
1985	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	5	3	6	50.0	38	6.3	-1.2	0	1	69.9
1986	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	10	52	124	41.9	808	6.5	4.9	6	7	101.3
1987	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	10	57	123	46.3	902	7.3	6.2	13	9	128.2
1988	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	12	72	151	47.7	1067	7.1	6.4	11	7	121.8

Turner Gill

	Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
Career	Nebraska					231	428	54.0	3317	7.8	8.2	34	11	140.1
1980	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	11	0	1	0.0	0	0.0	0.0	0	0	0.0
1981	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	11	47	91	51.6	619	6.8	6.8	9	4	132.6
1982	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	12	90	166	54.2	1182	7.1	7.6	11	3	132.3
1983	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	12	94	170	55.3	1516	8.9	9.5	14	4	152.7

 

						Rushing				Receiving				Scrimmage
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
Career	Nebraska					290	1317	4.5	18					290	1317	4.5	18
1980	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	11	4	26	6.5	0					4	26	6.5	0
1981	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	11	76	263	3.5	3					76	263	3.5	3
1982	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	12	101	497	4.9	4					101	497	4.9	4
1983	Nebraska	Big 8		QB	12	109	531	4.9	11					109	531	4.9	11

Eric Crouch

						Rushing				Receiving				Scrimmage
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
Career	Nebraska					648	3434	5.3	59
1998	Nebraska	Big 12		QB	8	96	459	4.8	5					96	459	4.8	5
1999	Nebraska	Big 12		QB	12	180	889	4.9	16	2	46	23.0	1	182	935	5.1	17
2000	Nebraska	Big 12	JR	QB	11	169	971	5.7	20					169	971	5.7	20
2001	Nebraska	Big 12	SR	QB	12	203	1115	5.5	18	1	63	63.0	1	204	1178	5.8	19

						Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
1998	Nebraska	Big 12		QB	8	49	101	48.5	601	6.0	5.0	4	4	103.6
1999	Nebraska	Big 12		QB	12	83	160	51.9	1269	7.9	7.7	7	4	127.9
2000	Nebraska	Big 12	JR	QB	11	75	156	48.1	1101	7.1	6.4	11	7	121.7
2001	Nebraska	Big 12	SR	QB	12	105	189	55.6	1510	8.0	6.3	7	10	124.3

[bleedNUred]

18 hours ago, NUance said:

 

Perfect

[commando]

not sure there is a wrong answer among those choices.   berringer may be the least perfect fit ...but i trust he would have done great in it also.

[irafreak]

I gotta go with Frost. Think how much faster the offense could move without having to look to the sideline for the next play.

[Guy Chamberlin]

Again, Newcombe played quarterback in an offense tailor-made for him, and lost the job to better players. 

 

If we're being fair, Tommy Armstrong could have been a monster on those Tom Osborne's teams.