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Even in the Age of Trump, there are still consequences for being a racist

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I know everyone is all wrapped up in the "both sides" and "a lot of good people" stuff, but turns out there are still consequences in America for being a racist POS. To wit:


 

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Racist words blow back on man, family and business

 

The confrontation between the two strangers began as a traffic dispute on the North Side.

 

It should have ended there, on Morse Road at Interstate 71, with the honk of a horn. That’s where Charles Lovett left it.

 

Jeff Whitman didn’t.

 

Feeling wronged, Whitman showed up at Lovett’s house. That alone was unsettling; Lovett’s house was not right around the corner from the Tuesday morning encounter. It was almost two miles away.

 

“I just want to let you know what a n----- you are,” Whitman says in the now viral video.

 

What follows is a three-minute argument in which Lovett defends himself without losing the moral high ground while Whitman keeps up with the invective. Lovett responds to the bigotry with class and a touch of wit.

 

“So I’m a n----- because you can’t read street signs?” he asks Whitman.

 

No, Whitman says, Lovett is a n----- because of his sense of entitlement.

 

This is a notion that rightly confounds Lovett. This, after all, is coming from a white man who drove to a stranger’s house to deliver racial slurs in a tone closer to a lecture than a rant.

 

“So thank you for calling me a n----- and showing me how stupid you are,” Lovett says. “Have a good day, sir. Enjoy your life.”

 

Lovett posted the video on social media, and within hours, the Internet came calling on Whitman. How? He had spoken his mind from behind the wheel of his company van, with the name and phone number of his business right there on the driver’s side door.

 

The retaliation was immediate. If Whitman felt entitled to follow, confront and demean a stranger from the seat of his marked company van, thousands of strangers felt obliged to punish him for it.

 

“It was an awful mistake and obviously I don’t know how to explain it, and it’s ruined my life and it’s ruined my family’s life,” Whitman says.

 

“I’m out of business, I’m completely out, I’m done, I’ll never work in Columbus again,” he says. “This has completely and thoroughly ruined my life.” The message ends abruptly.

 

On Friday, Whitman called again. He said he chose the wrong word and insists he is not a bigot. He provided a woman’s number and urged me to call her. He wouldn’t say why exactly, but I get the sense that he sees her as a character witness.

 

He rambled a bit and said a few other things, including one sentiment that would have many of his newfound enemies guffawing:

 

“I just don’t understand the intensity of the hate,” he said.

 

 

 

 

 

"I just don't understand the intensity of the hate" says the man who drove two miles out of his way to spew hatred at some man's doorstep.

 

It's just a tough and cruel world out there for the racists. Poor, poor racists.

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Snowflake indeed. :Frosty:  Poor poor guy.  He's lucky Lovett met him wt his phone only and not a shotgun to defend himself. 

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3 hours ago, knapplc said:

I know everyone is all wrapped up in the "both sides" and "a lot of good people" stuff, but turns out there are still consequences in America for being a racist POS. To wit:


 

 

 

 

 

"I just don't understand the intensity of the hate" says the man who drove two miles out of his way to spew hatred at some man's doorstep.

 

It's just a tough and cruel world out there for the racists. Poor, poor racists.

He shot a beam of hate out there and it returned to him 100 fold. You get what you give.

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5 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

He shot a beam of hate out there and it returned to him 100 fold. You get what you give.

 

You just said two completely different things. Do you get what you give, or do you get something 100x worse than you give?

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3 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

You just said two completely different things. Do you get what you give, or do you get something 100x worse than you give?

No I didn't. He gave hate, he is getting hate. Just because its more of the same thing doesn't make it a different thing. 

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1 minute ago, Nebfanatic said:

No I didn't. He gave hate, he is getting hate. Just because its more of the same thing doesn't make it a different thing. 

 

 

So if I give $1, and get $1,000,000 in return, then I have gotten what I gave, and it's the same thing because at the end of the day it's all just 'money'? I gave money, I'm getting money - something like that?

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Just now, Landlord said:

 

 

So if I give $1, and get $1,000,000 in return, then I have gotten what I gave, and it's the same thing because at the end of the day it's all just 'money'? I gave money, I'm getting money - something like that?

You're being fasicious but yes. Its all the same energy the quantity doesn't matter. You send energy out you recieve back the same and similar energy. The amount is just a perception.

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3 minutes ago, MLB 51 said:

Still wondering what this has to do with, Trump?

Are you really though?

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1 hour ago, MLB 51 said:

Yes, I am.

The man in the van has a wife and family whom he apparently loves and wants to provide for.  He supports them by working presumably long hours in a blue collar field.  He might even go to church every Sunday.  Trump says there are "fine people" that are racist.  Is this guy one of them?

 

Is the man in the van a "fine" person?

 

He has a president that has allowed him to believe he is.

 

 

Edit: I'm not saying this stuff hasn't been happening for the last 400 years, before Trump was even born.  But this is a prime example of how Trump's feeble attempt at condemning racism can lead the electorate to believe our society is okay with it, as long as it's a "good person" that's racist. Racism is real, this is just one more camera phone proving it. One of the easiest challenges Trump has been faced with over the last 18 months was calling racists bad, he screwed it up.  This is kind of an expected repercussion. 

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20 minutes ago, funhusker said:

The man in the van has a wife and family whom he apparently loves and wants to provide for.  He supports them by working presumably long hours in a blue collar field.  He might even go to church every Sunday.  Trump says there are "fine people" that are racist.  Is this guy one of them?

 

Is the man in the van a "fine" person?

 

He has a president that has allowed him to believe he is.

 

 

Edit: I'm not saying this stuff hasn't been happening for the last 400 years, before Trump was even born.  But this is a prime example of how Trump's feeble attempt at condemning racism can lead the electorate to believe our society is okay with it, as long as it's a "good person" that's racist. Racism is real, this is just one more camera phone proving it. One of the easiest challenges Trump has been faced with over the last 18 months was calling racists bad, he screwed it up.  This is kind of an expected repercussion. 

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Oh, like the Dems continuously electing, Robert Byrd.

 

For what it's worth, I didn't vote for Trump, but I wish people would stop blaming him for all this racist BS.

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1 minute ago, MLB 51 said:

Oh, like the Dems continuously electing, Robert Byrd.

 

For what it's worth, I didn't vote for Trump, but I wish people would stop blaming him for all this racist BS.

 

Do I REALLY need to post all the links where racists have committed assaults and attacked non-whites, non-christians, immigrants, etc while invoking Trump's name????

 

Not to mention there is a thread here on HuskerBoard where 6 people in different states are running for elected office and they are all openly racist and members of various white power groups.

 

The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks hate crimes and since Trump started his campaign through now, hate crimes are up 60-70%.

 

I am not trying to be rude or pick a fight, but you seriously need to wake the F up.  Trump is a nazi and his bigotry emboldens others to express similar beliefs.

 

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1 minute ago, MLB 51 said:

Oh, like the Dems continuously electing, Robert Byrd.

 

For what it's worth, I didn't vote for Trump, but I wish people would stop blaming him for all this racist BS.

 

Hate crimes rise for fourth year in a row, to highest point in past decade.

 

How white supremacists split a quiet Rust Belt town

 

Straight from a white supremacist:

 

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“Personally, I don’t know about Trump,” he said. “You won’t necessarily see MAGA hats at an NSM meeting. We’re anti-Semitic. Something’s off about Trump with the Jews. That said, we’re strategically aligned. When Trump says something that aligns with us — close the borders, build the wall, look after your own — that’s good: We’ve been saying this for 25 years, but he has made it mainstream.”
 

“We’re still a white nation, and I respect that he supports that,” Burnside added. “He’s also highlighted social problems. The kids who go to bed hungry, people who can’t pay their bills, the damage being done to society.”


Do Trump Tweets Spur Hate Crimes?
 

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A disturbing new paper by researchers Karsten Müller and Carlo Schwarz of the University of Warwick suggests that Donald Trump’s Islamic-related tweets may be directly linked to an increase in anti-Muslim hate crimes over the past few years. If Trump’s tweets have, in fact, played a role in spurring hate crimes, then social media may be playing an even more powerful role in people’s lives than previously thought.

 

Muller and Schwarz analyzed the relationship between Trump’s tweets and anti-Muslim hate crimes by drawing upon a number of data sources, including the FBI’s hate crime data between the years 1990 and 2016 as well as Twitter usage across the country. First, they documented that the number of anti-Muslim hate crimes recorded by the FBI increased during Trump’s presidency. In fact, anti-Muslim crimes have been more prevalent under Trump compared to any other previous president, including George W. Bush following 9/11. Second, the researchers found strong statistical correlations between the number of Islam-related tweets made by Trump in a single week and the number of anti-Muslim hate crimes that took place in the days and weeks that followed. Trump’s anti-Islam tweets were only correlated with anti-Muslim crimes and not other types of hate crimes. Therefore, it seems likely that it was the specific content of Trump’s tweets, and not growing anti-minority sentiment in general, that were linked to the uptick in anti-Muslim hate crimes.

Although suggestive, these connections do not prove that Trump’s social media messages caused the spike in crimes. Perhaps Trump’s tweets simply reflected an already growing anti-Muslim sentiment from the public. So Muller and Schwarz analyzed the geographic connection between Trump’s tweets and hate crimes. Since Twitter usage tends to vary by county, they looked at whether Trump’s Islam-related tweets were related to spikes in anti-Muslim crimes where more people used Twitter. They found that the spike in hate crimes did occur mainly in U.S. counties that had high Twitter usage, and this link only showed up after the start of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

 

You may well wish people would stop shouting racism at Trump. I wish you'd accept that he regularly targets people online, particularly minorities, and that unleashes an angry MAGA mob on them. It seems like you want to close your eyes and plug your ears and pretend that he doesn't do that.

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37 minutes ago, MLB 51 said:

Oh, like the Dems continuously electing, Robert Byrd.

 

For what it's worth, I didn't vote for Trump, but I wish people would stop blaming him for all this racist BS.

I don't think people are blaming Trump for racism.  I actually stated that in my post.  But people are blaming Trump's pathetic attempt to condemn racism for creating an environment where some people feel it is okay to be a horrible person because they are "fine" people the rest of the time.

 

There is one person that could disassociate Trump and racism.  That person has decided to not to take a strong position.  Se la vi. 

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7 minutes ago, funhusker said:

I don't think people are blaming Trump for racism.  I actually stated that in my post.  But people are blaming Trump's pathetic attempt to condemn racism for creating an environment where some people feel it is okay to be a horrible person because they are "fine" people the rest of the time.

 

There is one person that could disassociate Trump and racism.  That person has decided to not to take a strong position.  Se la vi. 

See, that's not how this all seems. Several people have already responded with the "Trump is a Nazi" BS.

I just don't think he should be vilified for all the current ills in our country. That's why I asked what this had to do with Trump.

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1 minute ago, MLB 51 said:

See, that's not how this all seems. Several people have already responded with the "Trump is a Nazi" BS.

I just don't think he should be vilified for all the current ills in our country. That's why I asked what this had to do with Trump.

If you choose to live your life and have discussions "in the middle", it is exactly how it seems.  But if your first impulse is to react at the extreme opposite, then I can see your frustration.  My suggestion, don't get sucked in by superlatives.

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1 minute ago, funhusker said:

If you choose to live your life and have discussions "in the middle", it is exactly how it seems.  But if your first impulse is to react at the extreme opposite, then I can see your frustration.  My suggestion, don't get sucked in by superlatives.

 I try to stay as close to the middle as possible, but, I  just don't understand why this is all Trumps fault?

 

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12 minutes ago, MLB 51 said:

 I try to stay as close to the middle as possible, but, I  just don't understand why this is all Trumps fault?

 

It's not.  And that wasn't ever the point.  

 

The point is that Trump has not stood up to this behavior.  That doesn't make the acts his fault, but it is his fault that there is any kind of sense of approval (same could probably be said for Byrd, although he did denounce his association with the kkk).

 

This doesn't even require policy, just take 2 minutes while your taking a crap and playing on Twitter...

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, MLB 51 said:

See, that's not how this all seems. Several people have already responded with the "Trump is a Nazi" BS.

I just don't think he should be vilified for all the current ills in our country. That's why I asked what this had to do with Trump.

 

 

Trump is a racist and it's arguable he's emboldened racists. I doubt there is any reliable data on it, though. Just anecdotes. That's probably what it has to do with Trump. Links between Trump and other racists are well deserved based on his previous words and actions.

 

But what "several people" are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Trump in this topic except for in the topic title until you mentioned Trump.

Now if you're talking about the comments section of the link that was posted, it's a comments section...

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8 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

Trump is a racist and it's arguable he's emboldened racists. I doubt there is any reliable data on it, though. Just anecdotes. That's probably what it has to do with Trump. Links between Trump and other racists are well deserved based on his previous words and actions.

 

But what "several people" are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Trump in this topic except for in the topic title until you mentioned Trump.

Now if you're talking about the comments section of the link that was posted, it's a comments section...

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Maybe you should go back and read some of the post.

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I posted links to studies and articles and examples of how racism is becoming more overt under Trump, racists are emboldened by Trump, and how Trump's policies are furthering the agendas of racists, but then I deleted the post because if you haven't seen what's going on in the past two years, it's because you don't want to see.

 

A few links in a message board won't fix that.

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14 minutes ago, MLB 51 said:

Maybe you should go back and read some of the post.

 

 

Nobody mentioned Trump before you (except in the title) unless it was deleted or my Ctrl F button is broken. You asked what it had to do with Trump before anyone ever mentioned him. That's what I'm saying. It's late though and I'm tired, so none of that probably matters and I may have misread the meaning of your post I quoted.

I do think you really have to ignore some of what Trump's said to think he should get zero blame for any uptick there might be, and it should be obvious why people think of Trump when it happens. There have been several known examples of people mistreating others in Trump's name. And it's clear that the white supremacists think he's got their backs. He could stop that nonsense any time he wants but chooses not to.

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25 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

Nobody mentioned Trump before you (except in the title) unless it was deleted or my Ctrl F button is broken. You asked what it had to do with Trump before anyone ever mentioned him. That's what I'm saying. It's late though and I'm tired, so none of that probably matters and I may have misread the meaning of your post I quoted.

I do think you really have to ignore some of what Trump's said to think he should get zero blame for any uptick there might be, and it should be obvious why people think of Trump when it happens. There have been several known examples of people mistreating others in Trump's name. And it's clear that the white supremacists think he's got their backs. He could stop that nonsense any time he wants but chooses not to.

So, blame Trump. OK.

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Robert Byrd.

 

That's usually a sign of desperation.

 

Followed by pointing out that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. 

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7 hours ago, MLB 51 said:

So, blame Trump. OK.

 

 

You seem to be the one not reading the posts, since you’re confusing “not zero blame” with “all blame.” Public figures have a responsibility for their words. They are not blameless. If they give every indication they’re okay with people picking on minorities, and fail to condone the behavior, it stands to reason more people will be embolded to pick on minorities. That means it will happen more. If you can’t see this, you’re not looking.

 

There’s no need to point out that the people picking on the minorities are to blame for their actions because obviously they are. Incidentally, Trump is one of those people.

 

You should stop posting “I didn’t vote for Trump but” because it doesn’t mean anything when you go out of your way to come to the belief that he’s entirely blameless. Look into what white supremacist groups have said about him. You mentioned that someone called him a Nazi. Speaking of Nazis, do you also think Hitler’s words meant nothing? You can scoff at the question, but at least think about it.

 

Public leaders have responsiblity for the words they use, and they’re not blameless when those words embolden people who would have otherwise kept their racism to themselves.

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8 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

You seem to be the one not reading the posts. Public figures have a responsibility for their words. They are not blameless. If they give every indication they’re okay with people picking on minorities, it stands to reason more people will be embolded to pick on minorities.

 

There’s no need to point out that the people picking on the minorities are to blame for their actions because obviously they are. Incidentally, Trump is one of those people.

 

I always wonder what news sources people are using that they don't know things that I feel should be common knowledge.  Often I presume it's Fox, or some iteration of conservative propaganda, but whenever I've asked, or suggested that people should stop watching Fox, they reply that they don't. 

 

It's a mystery where these ideas, or lack of knowledge, comes from. Fox is apparently the most watched "news" source by everyone else.

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6 hours ago, MLB 51 said:

So, blame Trump. OK.

 

Thanks, but we didn't need your permission--the facts and his hysterics online gave that permission long before this point. 

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Again, the KKK and neo-Nazi's have openly endorsed Trump, and celebrated the brighter future white supremacy has with one of their own in the White House.

 

They feel empowered. They feel the tide turning against the horrible march towards diversity we've been on. It's hardly a secret. It's on virtually every Comments section on the Internet.

 

Donald Trump will sort of disavow this in a statement drawn up by someone else. But he will never turn on the people who flatter him.  And because he is a narcissist first and showman second, he pays close attention to the statements that draw the biggest cheers at his rallies. The uglier the sentiment, the bigger the cheer.

 

Of course this isn't all Donald Trump's fault. The ugliness was already there. And we're not talking about neo-Nazis and the KKK now,; the people who embrace their racism. We're talking about millions of people who want a return to a simpler America, and don't admit how much of that simplicity had to do with white privilege.

 

It's still racism, but without the swastikas.

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2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Again, the KKK and neo-Nazi's have openly endorsed Trump, and celebrated the brighter future white supremacy has with one of their own in the White House.

 

They feel empowered. They feel the tide turning against the horrible march towards diversity we've been on. It's hardly a secret. It's on virtually every Comments section on the Internet.

 

Donald Trump will sort of disavow this in a statement drawn up by someone else. But he will never turn on the people who flatter him.  And because he is a narcissist first and showman second, he pays close attention to the statements that draw the biggest cheers at his rallies. The uglier the sentiment, the bigger the cheer.

 

Of course this isn't all Donald Trump's fault. The ugliness was already there. And we're not talking about neo-Nazis and the KKK now,; the people who embrace their racism. We're talking about millions of people who want a return to a simpler America, and don't admit how much of that simplicity had to do with white privilege.

 

It's still racism, but without the swastikas.

 

The bolded is true. I personally think Trump was just the laziest modern president caught clumsily getting into bed with these sorts. Past politicians not named George Wallace or David Duke mostly coddled these type of voters with a wink and a nod.

 

And now that he's caught, he's one of the few in modern times that doesn't mind courting them openly. 

 

It's horrifies a lot of people. But he's got a very odd big tent coalition of voters behind him now. We'll have to see how long it can hold together before it splinters.

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