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  1. I think recalls should be restricted to non-policy reasons. He was just elected and did what he promised to do during the campaign. Illegal and immoral (slippery slope there, but more like the SC gov and the South American hottie). If you disagree with the policies there is a remedy. It's called the next election. Otherwise you could throw one recall after another until the guy gets out of office. Exactly, the Pubs could go around the nation and get recalls from very close races and we would never have any peace. Just constant turnover because we don't like their policies, that would be sheer madness.
  2. People always worry about a theocracy and places like Iran are good examples of that but what a bout the atheists in total power? The biggest mass murders of all have been Communist leaders like Hitler, Stalin and pol pot .
  3. That is just crazy, ridiculous!! A partial birth abortion is just plain murder. And babies have lived outside the womb at 27 weeks. If you want to debate when abortion should be legal that's fine but at any time is just insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  4. I understand your first part of your post. WOW!!! to the bolded part.
  5. Just keep the economy weak and the oil will naturally come down. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500395_162-57427806/oil-prices-drop-as-traders-eye-u.s-jobs-data/
  6. My bad, I thought you were smarter than that. You made your point you have a hard time fathoming things I see that from this thread. Must be nice to have a mod to back you up also.
  7. Apparently you don't know that we (the US) executed Japanese soldiers who waterboarded American POWs. We regarded it as a war crime. Those pesky facts. Always getting in the way of Johnnny's beliefs. How is Obama an accessory after the fact? You keep saying that but you can't explain why. Alittle distortion of what really happened, http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/04/24/did-cnns-paul-begala-mangle-facts-waterboarding-history The name is johnnyrodgers20 or JR20. I find your tone very condescending and below you. I just said he is harboring Cheney, if Cheney is a war criminal then he is protecting him from the international community, isn't that an accessory after the fact?. Did you not read the quote you posted of mine?
  8. We did uphold our morals, you just perceive it to be torture, your right to do so. We, on the other hand, viewed it as enhanced interrogation, that is much different than torture. And our right to do so, and we have the POTUS on our hands. BO wouldn't harbor a war criminal that would make him an accessory after the fact, a crime in and of itself!!
  9. Please find one post from me defending the war crimes of Hussein, Bin Laden, or Al Queda. One post. The day we sacrifice our morals just because our enemies have done so is the day that America loses any possible claim at exceptionalism. Whether you realize it or not you've just made a wonderful argument for us being no better than our enemies. I, on the other hand, expect MY country to abide by a higher moral standard than Hussein, Bin Laden, or Al Queda. Your words indicate that you do not share those expectations. I think we are better than them there idea of interrogation is a beheading, that is torture. We did not committ torture and still have the high morals you speak of. if you believed we tortured I am sure there is nothing we cna say to change your mind the only thing we can say no is you are wrong. You're wrong. We did torture. We have now stopped. I do look forward to your voluntary waterboarding. It'll just be unpleasant . . . not torture. Just unpleasant. Should be an enlightening experience for everyone. You are wonrg we did not torture and so there is no way we coul dhave stopped torturing, thankyou. And it will be delightful to see you next to a drone dropped on a terrorist. You will be an innocent casualty, you can have solace in that.
  10. Please cite one source with accurate information that can support the allegation that the information which led directly to the raid on bin Laden's compound was acquired under torture. I'm certain if you asked carlfense about al Qaeda and their actions, he would decry them. But that's not the subject of this thread, is it? That's like being upset we're not decrying the atrocities of the Spanish Inquisition in all the myriad religious threads we have. If we had a thread about the Inquisition, I'm certain it would be roundly criticized. Surely you're not implying that lack of denunciation of the Inquisition by our Christian friends in every thread is tacit approval of the Inquisition, are you? You won't find that because we didn't torture anyone it was enhanced interrogations.
  11. Please find one post from me defending the war crimes of Hussein, Bin Laden, or Al Queda. One post. The day we sacrifice our morals just because our enemies have done so is the day that America loses any possible claim at exceptionalism. Whether you realize it or not you've just made a wonderful argument for us being no better than our enemies. I, on the other hand, expect MY country to abide by a higher moral standard than Hussein, Bin Laden, or Al Queda. Your words indicate that you do not share those expectations. I think we are better than them their idea of interrogation is a beheading, that is torture. We did not committ torture and still have the high morals you speak of. if you believed we tortured I am sure there is nothing we cna say to change your mind the only thing we can say no is you are wrong.
  12. A few things: Who said we got the info from Guantanamo detainees via torture? Who are the people reacting "so mildly" to the war crimes of Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, who are also "indignant" about Dick Cheney? This seems very much like a straw man. Who are the people who want us to fight wars with our hands tied? This also seems like a straw man. Numerous sources have reported that key intelligence about the courier who had links to OBL was garnered from Khalid Sheik Muhammad at Gitmo. It is widely accepted fact that KSM was subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques. "these" people are those such as Carl who spend much more time and effort commenting on how Cheney is a war criminal and comparatively little time decrying the atrocities of Al Queda and others. I am making some inferrences in both cases. I'm sure none of the culprits would come out and say as much but the positions they take and support cause me to come to that conclusion. I'm sure nobody knowingly wants us to fight with our hands tied but, there are consequences to their proposals. You can call it a straw man but I view more as the unavoidable consequence of certain positions. +1
  13. I looked at most of the articles cited and I didn't see any fox news in that article. So it was not fox news with the information, I did see some NYT, CNN, ABC News and Forbes.
  14. Wow, where did you get that from? ONe, who is minimizing UBL's death? Two, Who is maximizing the role bush played? and three, just for the record where is the information wrong? You just smooth everything over with derp, pretty easy. One, if you even look through this thread I have said it is a feather in BO's cap. it was a very good,probably his only good deed in his adm. Two, I am not maximizing anyhting for Bush but showing that his adm. interrogated enemy combatants and got valuable information BO used to decide to go after UBL. Now where did I go wrong, if it is comical explain please?
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