When 9 wins a year isn't the whole story.

[The Dude]

I guess I just don't see the point of the what if game. What if Martinez plays all year, and since he doesn't have the arm Kellogg or Armstrong have, we don't complete the hail mary against Northwestern, or the 99.9 yard pass against Georgia. Then we're a six loss team.

Seems like a productive exercise.

So you think we would be in the same exact position on those plays had Martinez been healthy? Lol sarcastic question and not really looking for an answer.

With Taylor healthy, I think we can all agree we would have had a better chance at a better record. Do we know it would have happened? Who knows.

But... since we like to bring up the past as proof, like Bo's 4 loss seasons. Proof shows that Narduzzi can't coach a game against Martinez. Proof shows Iowa has never beat us with Martinez under center. Minnesota has also never beat Taylor when he was healthy either. We honestly never know what the outcome would have been, but let the people who think we would have had a better season with a healthy Martinez believe it. What's the harm there? Being positive?

No harm. There's also no harm in residing in the realm of reality.

How is it reality that we wouldn't have a better record with a healthy Martinez? Seems like an assumption, just like those who think we would have a better record.

Agreed. I don't see the point of playing the what if game.

 

[HuskerNationNick]

Agreed. I don't see the point of playing the what if game.

Its the off-season, what other game would there be to play?

 

[The Dude]

Risk.

 

[Saunders]

No team should really get to play the 'What if we had been 100% healthy and every team we faced had the same injury situation as they originally did' card.

Sure, maybe, what if, but no.

Give me reasonably healthy TM and Spencer Long and my point still stands.

Are you taking into account our opponents injury problems as well? That's an honest question. It even's out maybe?

How many teams did we play that were missing a 4th year starter at QB? Georgia, that's it.

 

[The Dude]

No team should really get to play the 'What if we had been 100% healthy and every team we faced had the same injury situation as they originally did' card.

Sure, maybe, what if, but no.

Give me reasonably healthy TM and Spencer Long and my point still stands.

Are you taking into account our opponents injury problems as well? That's an honest question. It even's out maybe?

How many teams did we play that were missing a 4th year starter at QB? Georgia, that's it.

And he was considerably better than our 4th year starting QB. Are we taking those types of things into account in this fictional wonderland?

 

[Saunders]

No team should really get to play the 'What if we had been 100% healthy and every team we faced had the same injury situation as they originally did' card.

Sure, maybe, what if, but no.

Give me reasonably healthy TM and Spencer Long and my point still stands.

Are you taking into account our opponents injury problems as well? That's an honest question. It even's out maybe?

How many teams did we play that were missing a 4th year starter at QB? Georgia, that's it.

And he was considerably better than our 4th year starting QB. Are we taking those types of things into account in this fictional wonderland?

Red herring. Go ahead and get a strawman out of the way so you can pull out the trifecta.

And nobody is talking about a fictional wonderland. We're just saying that your statement that started this rabbit trail is wrong. Which it is.

 

[HuskerNationNick]

No team should really get to play the 'What if we had been 100% healthy and every team we faced had the same injury situation as they originally did' card.

Sure, maybe, what if, but no.

Give me reasonably healthy TM and Spencer Long and my point still stands.

Are you taking into account our opponents injury problems as well? That's an honest question. It even's out maybe?

How many teams did we play that were missing a 4th year starter at QB? Georgia, that's it.

Outside of Georgia, every team we faced was generally healthy.

 

[The Dude]

And nobody is talking about a fictional wonderland. We're just saying that your statement that started this rabbit trail is wrong. Which it is.

Except, you can only draw that conclusion by speculating.

 

[Saunders]

And nobody is talking about a fictional wonderland. We're just saying that your statement that started this rabbit trail is wrong. Which it is.

Except, you can only draw that conclusion by speculating.

Which is exactly what you're doing, except you're speculating against logic. The chances of a team performing better without a longterm starter is slim to none, and it's not debatable.

 

[The Dude]

The chances of a team performing better without a longterm starter is slim to none, and it's not debatable.

That's probably true to some degree, although it doesn't address any point I made.

Unless you're talking about my joke up there about being a 6-loss team with Martinez, and just missed that it was a joke.

 

[Saunders]

The chances of a team performing better without a longterm starter is slim to none, and it's not debatable.

That's probably true to some degree, although it doesn't address any point I made.

Unless you're talking about my joke up there about being a 6-loss team with Martinez, and just missed that it was a joke.

um...

Delusions that we would have been a significantly better team without those injuries is another.

 

[The Dude]

Yeah, nowhere did I say anything about performing better without a longterm starter. What are you arguing? Seriously.

 

[Saunders]

Yeah, nowhere did I say anything about performing better without a longterm starter. What are you arguing? Seriously.

The admirable thing is winning the Michigan, Northwestern, and Penn State games with the couple of (literally 2 taylor and Spencer) key injuries we had last year. Those games could have went the other way, but didn't.

That's one thing.

Delusions that we would have been a significantly better team without those injuries is another.

Read what you wrote.

You allude to Taylor and Spencer's injuries. You then state that anyone who thinks we would have been a significantly better team with an All-American guard and 1st team Big Ten QB is delusional.

If you can't figure it out, I can't help you.

 

[The Dude]

. . . as evidenced by the Wyoming, UCLA, and Minnesota games.

I don't think there was ever any question where Nebraska belonged in the college football heap last season. Before or after those guys went down. You act as if we're without evidence of how good we were with those two guys. We totally have evidence.

 

[Saunders]

. . . as evidenced by the Wyoming, UCLA, and Minnesota games.

I don't think there was ever any question where Nebraska belonged in the college football heap last season. Before or after those guys went down.

Spencer didn't play against Minnesota and Taylor was hurt game one.