When 9 wins a year isn't the whole story.

[JJ Husker]

Instead of focusing on the 4 losses, I like to focus on the 9+ wins he's had each year. People who focus on the 4 losses = glass half empty. People who focus on the 9+ wins = glass half full.

Hate to tell you all this...but fans who are 'glass half empty' folks aren't going to help out players.

That is quite some inflated sense of self importance you have if you really think you're helping players and people who point out deficiencies on a message board are hurting players. How about this? How about the coaches and players do their f'ing job and ignore internet posters? How about that my man?

 

[StPaulHusker]

Instead of focusing on the 4 losses, I like to focus on the 9+ wins he's had each year. People who focus on the 4 losses = glass half empty. People who focus on the 9+ wins = glass half full.

Hate to tell you all this...but fans who are 'glass half empty' folks aren't going to help out players.

That is quite some inflated sense of self importance you have if you really think you're helping players and people who point out deficiencies on a message board are hurting players. How about this? How about the coaches and players do their f'ing job and ignore internet posters? How about that my man?

 

[NUinID]

Huskermax is dominated by the Boleavers as they say with GFOA, ColoRed, Big'D, Pops, SSO being the most vocal.

I don't really go to other Husker boards, but I have to wonder - do people on other boards discuss members of this board like this? I've never set foot (proverbially) in Huskermax's forums but I know the name of their moderator (Red Reign), and I think that's kinda weird.

Or maybe I'm just weird.

I'm not a member there haven't been since they went to pay. I still like to read some of the stuff over there, they do have some good discussions sometimes and there recruiting stuff is superior to here. They also have some good links. The problem is that the aforementioned have really turned it into a hate fest full of sarcasm and name calling.

Oh, and I do agree with your saying on another thread. When Nebraska wins the board is silent, but when they lose everyone comes out of the woodwork doesn't make for much balance.

 

[Enhance]

This goes without saying, but coach and player criticism is part of the deal. I completely agree with those that say fans shouldn't be insulting players, cursing them on Twitter and whatever other kind of inappropriate behavior inept fans can think up. But, outside of those things, criticism at any time is fair game IMHO. Pelini gets paid millions of dollars to do a job. When things go right, pat him on the back. But, when things go wrong, legitimate criticism is necessary.

And the players - they get a college education for free and are basically treated like royalty. They don't deserve near the same heat as a paid professional, but they're not entirely devoid of blame.

I'll also say this - I think many are focusing on the negative side of things, but when Nebraska is doing well, they often get showered with praise locally and nationally. Nebraska is no different than any other major division one program - in fact, I'd argue our media can be a lot friendlier (even after bad losses) than media in other parts of the country, particularly the south.

Sans a really bad year next year, Pelini has bought himself a couple extra years. But, I agree with others that say that's about it. He needs a conference title if he wants to stay here. And as I already said, if he doesn't get one and similar excuses pop up each year, then it'll be time to find a coach that can better overcome challenges and win.

 

[kchusker_chris]

Oh you bet...Criticism is fine. Constructive criticism. Beating the horse into an unrecognizable pile of meat is not constructive....which is what some posters around here do in my opinion. But your comment hits the nail on the head here.

How can any criticism on a message board be constructive for this team?

 

[knapplc]

How can any criticism on a message board be constructive for this team?

They read this board and others. Recruits read these boards. Bo even referred to "Biff the Bloggers" in one of his pressers a while back, so at least some of the coaches/staff read these boards.

The press, both local and national, read these boards and some of their work has significant similarities to discussions recently held on this board.

What we say here can be both constructive and destructive. This board does not exist in a vacuum and what's written here has influence beyond HuskerBoard.

 

[Saunders]

Oh you bet...Criticism is fine. Constructive criticism. Beating the horse into an unrecognizable pile of meat is not constructive....which is what some posters around here do in my opinion. But your comment hits the nail on the head here.

How can any criticism on a message board be constructive for this team?

Probably not by saying "so and so sucks" or stuff along those lines.

 

[StPaulHusker]

How can any criticism on a message board be constructive for this team?

They read this board and others. Recruits read these boards. Bo even referred to "Biff the Bloggers" in one of his pressers a while back, so at least some of the coaches/staff read these boards.

The press, both local and national, read these boards and some of their work has significant similarities to discussions recently held on this board.

What we say here can be both constructive and destructive. This board does not exist in a vacuum and what's written here has influence beyond HuskerBoard.

I would agree that this board is not in a vacuum but it's can't be any different than any other message board for any other college in America.

 

[JJ Husker]

Instead of focusing on the 4 losses, I like to focus on the 9+ wins he's had each year. People who focus on the 4 losses = glass half empty. People who focus on the 9+ wins = glass half full.

Hate to tell you all this...but fans who are 'glass half empty' folks aren't going to help out players.

That is quite some inflated sense of self importance you have if you really think you're helping players and people who point out deficiencies on a message board are hurting players. How about this? How about the coaches and players do their f'ing job and ignore internet posters? How about that my man?

Self importance? How do you get me flexing my self importance from saying that fans that are always debbie downers aren't helping their team out any?

I'm not talking about just message boards...I'm talking about EVERY social media area...twitter included. Think of all those fans that tweeted at TClinkscales...how about the classy one that tweeted "F U Clinkscales" spelled out on his toaster strudels and sent a picture of it to him. Think that doesn't affect coaches? Think that doesn't affect players? Think that doesn't affect recruiting?

People that do that are negative about the program to varying degrees...I'd say they were the extreme example of that varying degree...but an example nonetheless. I'm not saying everyone is that far gone...but they're definitely not helping matters by hashing and rehashing the same boring tripe and concentrating on all the negatives no matter what.

The way I see it is...if you cheer for your team, you help them. If you don't cheer for your team, you don't help them. There's a reason they call the crowd the 12th man at TAMU.

In my opinion, people who are pissed off about Bo or other coaches will cheer less than those that aren't (well a majority of them will...there are exceptions of course). To me, this seems like common sense. As an example, winning programs produce more fans attending games...losing programs produce less fans...which is a statistical fact most of us can accept. It's not a stretch to draw correlation to people who want Bo gone no matter what.

I get that people want Nebraska to succeed...I'm in the same boat. But getting them to succeed...getting ANY player to succeed while coaching them...is not going to happen if you continually point out how sh**ty they are. As someone who has coached basketball, football, and baseball...i can tell you that if I wanted to get less out of my players, I would consistently tell them how crappy they were.

I don't think Nebraska players are message board hawks...but I can tell you they do google their names....everyone does. Some may even setup a google alert to notify them when they're in the news. Either way, they'll run across stuff on message boards from time to time (and other social media) and it's not encouraging to see fans mash Nebraska players and coaches into the ground. Once again, just my opinion.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the next 2 years. If nothing is delivered after that, I'd think they'd make a change and I'd be ok with that.

Your original statements were "People who focus on the 4 losses = glass half empty" and "fans who are 'glass half empty' folks aren't going to help out players". But now you are moving the goal posts to include the asshats that tweet players and make direct personal attacks. (BTW- I agree with you on those issues. Those people are doing harm). I just don't happen to believe that the posters here who focus more on the negatives are in the same group as those who attack players and coaches directly. And, I also don't believe the eternally optimistic (aka sunshine pumpers) posters on this board necessarily help the team or players. If what we're doing here on HB has a direct influence on the players or coaches, then those players and coaches need to remove themselves from whatever situation allows us to affect them.

 

[knapplc]

How can any criticism on a message board be constructive for this team?

They read this board and others. Recruits read these boards. Bo even referred to "Biff the Bloggers" in one of his pressers a while back, so at least some of the coaches/staff read these boards.

The press, both local and national, read these boards and some of their work has significant similarities to discussions recently held on this board.

What we say here can be both constructive and destructive. This board does not exist in a vacuum and what's written here has influence beyond HuskerBoard.

I would agree that this board is not in a vacuum but it's can't be any different than any other message board for any other college in America.

Whether it is or isn't doesn't really matter. The question was, how can what we say here be constructive for this team, and that question is answered by the fact that the players and recruits read what's written here.

 

[Redux]

Until we lose 5 or 6 games a year Im not going to panic.

Until we win 12-13 games a year Im not gonna get cocky.

 

[Junior]

Whether it is or isn't doesn't really matter. The question was, how can what we say here be constructive for this team, and that question is answered by the fact that the players and recruits read what's written here.

Allow me to help. Players: STOP READING MESSAGE BOARDS. And if you think it is bad at Nebraska... Well, if you have NFL aspirations, I promise you that it will only get worse at the next level.

 

[knapplc]

Whether it is or isn't doesn't really matter. The question was, how can what we say here be constructive for this team, and that question is answered by the fact that the players and recruits read what's written here.

Allow me to help. Players: STOP READING MESSAGE BOARDS. And if you think it is bad at Nebraska... Well, if you have NFL aspirations, I promise you, it will only get worse at the next level.

While I would agree with you that this would be a wise thing to do, the kind of person who would thrive as a D1 athlete often comes with an ego the size of Guam. Those people are not prone to ignore talk about them. Even normal couch-potato people are curious when someone is talking about them - these guys can barely resist.

 

[Junior]

Whether it is or isn't doesn't really matter. The question was, how can what we say here be constructive for this team, and that question is answered by the fact that the players and recruits read what's written here.

Allow me to help. Players: STOP READING MESSAGE BOARDS. And if you think it is bad at Nebraska... Well, if you have NFL aspirations, I promise you, it will only get worse at the next level.

While I would agree with you that this would be a wise thing to do, the kind of person who would thrive as a D1 athlete often comes with an ego the size of Guam. Those people are not prone to ignore talk about them. Even normal couch-potato people are curious when someone is talking about them - these guys can barely resist.

In that case, use the criticism as motivation to get better. If your ego is too fragile to do that, you likely aren't going to last, regardless of what is or isn't said on a message board.

 

[knapplc]

Whether it is or isn't doesn't really matter. The question was, how can what we say here be constructive for this team, and that question is answered by the fact that the players and recruits read what's written here.

Allow me to help. Players: STOP READING MESSAGE BOARDS. And if you think it is bad at Nebraska... Well, if you have NFL aspirations, I promise you, it will only get worse at the next level.

While I would agree with you that this would be a wise thing to do, the kind of person who would thrive as a D1 athlete often comes with an ego the size of Guam. Those people are not prone to ignore talk about them. Even normal couch-potato people are curious when someone is talking about them - these guys can barely resist.

In that case, use the criticism as motivation to get better. If your ego is too fragile to do that, you likely aren't going to last, regardless of what is or isn't said on a message board.

This is an easy thing to do, which is why there's never any arguments here, and nobody ever gets upset about what others write about them here.