Ralph Brown says Pelini needs to build better bridge with ex players

[Landlord]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

 

[Branno]

does not seem highly selective. how we lose should be relevant.

So if we go 11-1 with a blowout loss, win the CCG, and most likely make the playoffs that would be a failure and we should fire Bo?

It probably wouldn't matter since the winged pigs will have overtaken the entire eastern seaboard in this scenario.

Look, let's actually talk real scenario's, and this isn't one of them. If they do qualify for the playoffs, they probably wouldn't get blown out. If they get blown out by anyone on this schedule, odds are there are....let's say four more losses on this schedule.

A 62-36 loss to Colorado would disagree with you.

 

[Count 'Bility]

You still are talking mostly about straight up wins and losses. Again, it's so much deeper than that. Most things behind closed doors that folks had so much pride in, that made the machine roll for 3 decades prior, were completely destroyed. Almost immediately. Yeah, plenty of opitimist in the middle two years based on the scoreboard, but there was never optimism for what was going on on the offices. Pedersen's ousting had pretty much nothing to do with the scoreboard. It was all the bullsh#t he was pulling below. And when Paul Meyers decided to walk out, that was the nail in his coffin.

It's just in my opinion incredibly dishonest to say or believe this was a ground floor rebuild job.

Good thing nobody has done that then.

Thanks man. I didnt even think to refute that insinuated garbage.

yep I just played into the trap I set for myself.

 

[NUpolo8]

does not seem highly selective. how we lose should be relevant.

So if we go 11-1 with a blowout loss, win the CCG, and most likely make the playoffs that would be a failure and we should fire Bo?

It probably wouldn't matter since the winged pigs will have overtaken the entire eastern seaboard in this scenario.

Look, let's actually talk real scenario's, and this isn't one of them. If they do qualify for the playoffs, they probably wouldn't get blown out. If they get blown out by anyone on this schedule, odds are there are....let's say four more losses on this schedule.

A 62-36 loss to Colorado would disagree with you.

That loss wasn't in the CCG, it took a miracle to get them to the BCS, and they got freight trained again. Then two years later a change was made

So right, exactly the same.

 

[NUpolo8]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

Because Bo Pelini's trajectory of taking over such a program looks exactly like, say, Pete Carroll's. Or Saban's. Or Jimbo's.

(Waits for the Brady Hoke counter)

 

[Count 'Bility]

It's just in my opinion incredibly dishonest to say or believe this was a ground floor rebuild job.

Good thing nobody has done that then.

Almost as good as you ignoring or forgetting the 32,000 replies where it's said "after Callahan Bo had to rebuild us from chaos!" Or something to that effect.

Not as good, but -almost-

He did. Did he not? Nebraska had slumped into depths of mediocrity and irrelevance not seen in this program since the 50's. And less than 2 years after his hiring, he had right there, neck and neck with a NC contender. I know, know. "But count, all of Callahan's talent.........." Whatever.

Uh, well......it was with guys that Callahan and his staff brought here.......

And you're defending Bo with a loss.

A loss, that was very close to a win. Against the #2 team in the nation. 2007?

 

[sd'sker]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

does it? i think it says that bo over-performed his first few years with incredible talent and is now struggling to maintain that level of success, let alone get over the hump.

 

[Count 'Bility]

It's just in my opinion incredibly dishonest to say or believe this was a ground floor rebuild job.

Good thing nobody has done that then.

Almost as good as you ignoring or forgetting the 32,000 replies where it's said "after Callahan Bo had to rebuild us from chaos!" Or something to that effect.

Not as good, but -almost-

He did. Did he not? Nebraska had slumped into depths of mediocrity and irrelevance not seen in this program since the 50's. And less than 2 years after his hiring, he had right there, neck and neck with a NC contender. I know, know. "But count, all of Callahan's talent.........." Whatever.

Uh, well......it was with guys that Callahan and his staff brought here.......

All Callahans players. Some of his staff. Bo was that major change. And immediately made work much better than Callahan could. Hmmm.

 

[NUpolo8]

2007 was a horrid year. I've never said it wasn't. What's your point?

 

[Count 'Bility]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

Because Bo Pelini's trajectory of taking over such a program looks exactly like, say, Pete Carroll's. Or Saban's. Or Jimbo's.

(Waits for the Brady Hoke counter)

Well apparently Callahan's recruits werent THAT great then were they?................

 

[NUpolo8]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

does it? i think it says that bo over-performed his first few years with incredible talent and is now struggling to maintain that level of success, let alone get over the hump.

I think it says what is obvious to anyone with a non biased eye. If all Bo has to do is coach defense, he's probably going to do a very good job.

It's the issue if he can handle all of the responsibilities as a head coach which is where he's sorely lacking

 

[Landlord]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

Because Bo Pelini's trajectory of taking over such a program looks exactly like, say, Pete Carroll's. Or Saban's. Or Jimbo's.

(Waits for the Brady Hoke counter)

If you're going to cherrypick and generalize to somehow equate Bo to Callahan, then you should at least accept generalizations that equate Bo with the likes of Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, Brady Hoke, and plenty of others that took over struggling programs and had their best success early on.

 

[NUpolo8]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

Because Bo Pelini's trajectory of taking over such a program looks exactly like, say, Pete Carroll's. Or Saban's. Or Jimbo's.

(Waits for the Brady Hoke counter)

Well apparently Callahan's recruits werent THAT great then were they?................

Well the closest Bo's ever been to a championship, and the number one ranking was with BC's.......

 

[Count 'Bility]

2007 was a horrid year. I've never said it wasn't. What's your point?

Bo did more in his first two years, win or lose, than Callahan did in four. Bill may have brought those guys in, but it Bo and his staff that made them what they wound up being. Again win or lose. At least Bo got them to put forth the effort above anything else instead of appearing to be signed up for flag league.

 

[NUpolo8]

if bc left the program in such shambles, then what does it say that bo's best years (and pretty good years in general) were his first 3?

It says that that is pretty common and expected amongst coaches that take over prestigious programs that had fallen on hard times.

Because Bo Pelini's trajectory of taking over such a program looks exactly like, say, Pete Carroll's. Or Saban's. Or Jimbo's.

(Waits for the Brady Hoke counter)

If you're going to cherrypick and generalize to somehow equate Bo to Callahan, then you should at least accept generalizations that equate Bo with the likes of Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, Brady Hoke, and plenty of others that took over struggling programs and had their best success early on.

Ah so I have to cherry pick YOUR way. How silly of me.

Go ahead, compare Bo to Stoops and Carroll. Won't go well for Bo.