Chaddyboxer
Banned
What? Not getting blown out? Then WTH is it?
Why Can't Nebraska Perform Like "X" School?
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NUpolo8
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EbylHusker
Banned
Someone doesn't seem to understand the difference between a goal and a step in the right direction.
I agree that we shouldn't strive to lose by less, because a loss is a loss. Thus, we shouldn't be happy losing. But, using that logic, a win is a win, so one can't be too critical when we only win by a small margin...our goal is to win which is what we did against to Purdue so let's move on
Spooky Tooth
Special Teams Player
As I go through some of these threads it occurs to me that Nebraska lost today, and some are glad. If NU goes 11 and 1 these Nostradami will b!^@h about losing the one game.
Broken. Record.
Count 'Bility
Banned
If we go 11-1, I'll be giddy. I'll be happy as hell. But as of right now, there's still a lot of issues. Issues that in fact show no sign whatsoever of being fixed and will not only prevent 11-1, but will probably result in 9-3. Until we come out ready to play against Wisconsin and play good competent football for at least most of the game (since apparently asking for a good solid 4 quarters once in a decade is too much) and at the very least win the game, this is the reality.
NUpolo8
Banned
Ziebol
All-Conference
True. But this team wins those sloppy games while teams in the past would sh#t the bed. It's easy to see our flaws from our perspective but to the nation we are 8-1 and rolling. I'm just as hard on this team as anyone else, but we won today without any kind of offense and still put up 35 points.
JJ Husker
Assistant Coach
Why can't Nebraska perform like "X" school?
Let's look at some common opponents and what some other teams have done against them.
NU 55 FAU 7
FIU 38 FAU 10
UAB 31 FAU 28
Marshall 35 FAU 16
NU 31 McNeese 24
Sam Houston 38 McN 22
NU 55 Fresno 19
Wyoming 45 Fresno 17
UNLV 30 Fresno 27
NU 38 NW 17
Iowa 48 NW 7
No Illinois 23 NW 15
NU 42 Rutgers 24
Wiscy 37 RU 0
tOSU 56 RU 17
There's more and I realize the inherent flaws in comparing scores but, some people act like they can't understand why some of us aren't impressed with some of our wins. This is why. We aren't doing anything that many unranked, un thought of teams, aren't doing to the same crap opponents. We've played two teams with a heartbeat, Miami and MSU. We came ready to play against Miami, so I know we are capable and that is why all these other games are so frustrating. It's not just doom and gloom and complain for complainings sake. It's relevant because I don't think we can play this poorly and beat Wiscy or Iowa or Minny or the CCG or our bowl game. Sorry, I see 3 losses in there somewhere and then we're right back to the question; what has really changed?
Let's look at some common opponents and what some other teams have done against them.
NU 55 FAU 7
FIU 38 FAU 10
UAB 31 FAU 28
Marshall 35 FAU 16
NU 31 McNeese 24
Sam Houston 38 McN 22
NU 55 Fresno 19
Wyoming 45 Fresno 17
UNLV 30 Fresno 27
NU 38 NW 17
Iowa 48 NW 7
No Illinois 23 NW 15
NU 42 Rutgers 24
Wiscy 37 RU 0
tOSU 56 RU 17
There's more and I realize the inherent flaws in comparing scores but, some people act like they can't understand why some of us aren't impressed with some of our wins. This is why. We aren't doing anything that many unranked, un thought of teams, aren't doing to the same crap opponents. We've played two teams with a heartbeat, Miami and MSU. We came ready to play against Miami, so I know we are capable and that is why all these other games are so frustrating. It's not just doom and gloom and complain for complainings sake. It's relevant because I don't think we can play this poorly and beat Wiscy or Iowa or Minny or the CCG or our bowl game. Sorry, I see 3 losses in there somewhere and then we're right back to the question; what has really changed?
Spooky Tooth
Special Teams Player
Actually, you are pretty even handed, and I absolutely share most of your concerns. I'm talking about the ones who can reliably be counted on to piss on a win, each time, every time. They are as regular as Aunt Fanny's bowel movements, and their posts resemble them. I have eyes, and I can see that in too many regards we continue to make the same mistakes. I just don't want to be lumped in the the agenda Nostradami.
It'sNotAFakeID
All-American
Stumpy1
All-American
I think we could play with anyone of those teams. What exactly have they done to warrant such high praise besides get put up on a pedestal by the media. I think LOMS pointed it out pretty clearly that the very top teams that some seem to shoot their wad on have just as bad performances as us.
notherplace93
Four-Star Recruit
I'd probably say we could stay within. Whether or not we would is another question. This Nebraska team, actually all of Bo Pelini's teams while here at Nebraska, have shown a tendency to be able to both beat anyone (No. 9 Michigan State in 2011, No. 7 Missouri and No. 17 Oklahoma State in 2010, a Miami game this year, that while still not great, is starting to look a bit more impressive every week) or be able lose any, and i truly do mean any, game (iowa state 2009, texas tech 2009, washington 2010, northwestern 2011, Wisconsin 2012, Minnesota 2013). So i don't know whether you basing an argument purely on the conjecture of playing teams not on our schedule, some of whom also have extremely unimpressive schedules, is anymore "perspective" (especially considering perspective is literally defined as "a particular attitude toward or way of regarding something; A point of view") than the guy who chooses to look at this team as a team that, while not any where close to perfect, is still an 8-1 team that still has a CHANCE to do something great even if they don't take advantage of that chance. I think it is a known fact that we have played both down and up to different opponents at different times so much of your logic here is based on poor argumental tactics.
For instance: I'm assuming (perhaps erroneously idk how you think) that if we were to be able to sum up our expectations for Bo Pelini and this team in one-word it would be: WIN (some may add while maintaining the university's integrity, but hey, that's not one word). Guess what? While it was ugly as hell, we still managed to do that. In fact, we've done it 8 of 9 times this year. Sometimes handily. Sometimes awfully. But hey purely from win percentage, the only stat that REALLY counts, we're are currently sitting better at 8-1 than we have been 10 weeks into the season that we were in either of 2011-2013 seasons. So, regardless of a patsy schedule, we've still managed to stay at least somewhat in the hunt for the playoffs, sometimes despite ourselves, when there are also quite a few teams in the FBS who also have lame schedules who have not managed to do the same. Thats not to say that we shouldn't expect more out of this team than what we are seeing, (which is I'm sure what your comeback will be, that "How far have we fallen that I, Nupolo8, have the only true expectations for what a husker football team should really be, all you other Husker fans just don't get it) its just saying that, despite ourselves, all of our goals are still available to us.
Im really not trying to attack you as a poster or even as a person (we're both husker fans who just want to see Nebraska win), but as a poster who usually looks forward to your posts and tries to be a realist himself (and a bit of a contrarian haha) i feel as though your arguments have delved into the realms of special pleading, false dichotomy (this idea you are promoting, intentionally or unintentionally, that every husker fan seems to fall into either the unintelligent sunshine pumper category or the "realists" who see that the sky is falling because it clearly is), argument by question(For instance, "do you honestly think we would stay with team X? because I'm clearly right and you're clearly an idiot depending on your answer), reductive fallacy, Argument by dismissal (for instance "we're done here, honestly its a message board we're never gonna be done here haha), definitely guilty of holding tightly to the transitive property (we struggled against rutgers, which means we'll struggle against wisconsin, despite the fact that Wisconsin lost to northwestern, who we ended up handling), and while not lastly, simply the last one I'll mention, argument by vehemence, which is simply the very Fox News/MSNBC ideas of the person who is the loudest and grips the most, realistic or no, is somehow right.
So while you may have legitimate grips towards Pelini and this sometimes incompetent, sometimes okay, sometimes fairly decent husker team, you lose in the only area it truly matters most, and that is record. 8-1 cannot realistically be argued against, despite how ugly (on one side of the ball mind you, pretty good games from both defense and ST) it may be.