"Guys like myself, that's what we flock to."

[Mavric]

One time he threw to Westerkamp (I think) even though Westy had gotten pushed five yards out of bounds. But he was trying to run the deep route and that's where TA wanted to go with the ball.

One time I saw Tom Brady and Peyton Manning do some dumb stuff. And this one time at band camp....................sh#t happens.....

It does. It was one example. But I'd like to see any other example of any other QB throwing to a receiver that was five yards out of bounds. Even in high school.

I've seen it many many times. Sorry if I don't have specific examples. I guess I didn't realize it was such a rarity that I needed to document it for future debates.

Typically there then is a discussion as to if the WR was pushed out of bounds by the DB or if he ran out on his own.

Throw to a guy who is out of bounds when the ball gets there? Yes. Throw to a guy who is already well out of bounds before you throw it? Not so much.

Ummm....yes, I have seen NFL QBs do it. The WR is battling with the DB. They get tangled up. The WR runs out of bounds and the QB lets it fly. (yes, after he was out of bounds) The ref throws his hat indicating the WR was out of bounds and the discussion starts as to if he was pushed or not.

It's really not that big of a deal and a situation that can happen to any WR QB combo.

I don't think you know how far out of bounds Westy was on that play. But that's fine. As I said, it's just an example to illustrate the point. He was never open from the snap of the ball. The defender was in press coverage and ran him out of bounds. Not only was he not open, the defender was in constant contact and they were out of bounds. There was zero reason to throw the ball there. Other than he decided before the snap to throw it there.

That's fine. But, to claim good QBs don't occasionally throw to a WR that is out of bounds is not a really good arguing point.

Yep. And that's not what I'm arguing.

 

[True2tRA]

We've done this every season Tommy has been a QB at Nebraska now Mavric, which is just two seasons. I think he's got the talent to be something special, he just needs a little more help to get there.

I couldn't be more clear that we disagree about Tommy.

The great thing is, it doesn't matter what you or I think, someone else thinks he's good enough to be the starting QB here because he's headed into his third year of doing so, with a second and entirely different set of coaches evaluating him.

Now maybe he's maintaining that role strictly due to his experience, maybe not, but if he plays like a mad man this year and leads this team to some more wins, we're both gonna be happy right?

I hope you get over it if he remains the starter for year four too, because I see it as a real possibility.

 

[Mavric]

We've done this every season Tommy has been a QB at Nebraska now Mavric, which is just two seasons. I think he's got the talent to be something special, he just needs a little more help to get there.

I couldn't be more clear that we disagree about Tommy.

The great thing is, it doesn't matter what you or I think, someone else thinks he's good enough to be the starting QB here because he's headed into his third year of doing so, with a second and entirely different set of coaches evaluating him.

Now maybe he's maintaining that role strictly due to his experience, maybe not, but if he plays like a mad man this year and leads this team to some more wins, we're both gonna be happy right?

I hope you get over it if he remains the starter for year four too, because I see it as a real possibility.

There's nothing to "get over." I just think that limits what we can do as an offense. Especially because he fit the only system better than the new one.

 

[JJ Husker]

I think a lot of the spread teams run the "option routes" as a basic principle of their offense.

I remember one of the NFL draftnik knocks about RG3 when he was coming out of Baylor was that he was "late" on his throws (throwing after the receiver had already made his break). This was because Baylor uses these "option routes", so he would wait for the receiver to break and make sure they were on the same page before throwing the ball.

If only we had a board member who was a football coach and could explain all of this to us...

Or at least a condescending blowhard who could baffle the masses with BS......

 

[True2tRA]

I think a lot of the spread teams run the "option routes" as a basic principle of their offense.

I remember one of the NFL draftnik knocks about RG3 when he was coming out of Baylor was that he was "late" on his throws (throwing after the receiver had already made his break). This was because Baylor uses these "option routes", so he would wait for the receiver to break and make sure they were on the same page before throwing the ball.

If only we had a board member who was a football coach and could explain all of this to us...

Or at least a condescending blowhard who could baffle the masses with BS......

We had one of those, they banned him.

I think there's a few possible replacements doing their best to fill his position though.

 

[BigRedBuster]

We've done this every season Tommy has been a QB at Nebraska now Mavric, which is just two seasons. I think he's got the talent to be something special, he just needs a little more help to get there.

I couldn't be more clear that we disagree about Tommy.

The great thing is, it doesn't matter what you or I think, someone else thinks he's good enough to be the starting QB here because he's headed into his third year of doing so, with a second and entirely different set of coaches evaluating him.

Now maybe he's maintaining that role strictly due to his experience, maybe not, but if he plays like a mad man this year and leads this team to some more wins, we're both gonna be happy right?

I hope you get over it if he remains the starter for year four too, because I see it as a real possibility.

There's nothing to "get over." I just think that limits what we can do as an offense. Especially because he fit the only system better than the new one.

I guess you know exactly what the "new system" is?

 

[Landlord]

What excuses? You mean the fact that he was a Freshman who was thrown into the fire when Taylor Martinez was hurt? I think that's a valid excuse bud.

It's a valid excuse, but I think what Mavric is getting at is that those things led to him not being a good quarterback, and your argument is framed around thinking that he is a good quarterback.

We're all honest about circumstances being less than ideal for him starting out, but people like Mavric and I take that and think, "Yeah, and because of that, he just wasn't good."

 

[Sargon]

"f#*k it, I'm going deep" is hardly the thought process in that situation. I do agree, he needs to settle down a bit more and his offensive line needs to protect him a bit better. But I think maybe you need to look a little further into it than just Tommy saying "f#*k it, I'm going deep". Why would Tommy try to throw the deep ball in the first place? The only time you'd launch one deep is if you have receivers streaking deep down the field every f'ing play. I mean, it's not like he was throwing the ball to nobody. There were guys down there almost every play. Why in Holy Hell did we feel the need to run 40+ yard routes every damn time we threw the ball? Do the receivers not know that they can turn around and come back to the ball? Where is the thought process on that, where is the coaching? There was NONE. We just kept doing it over and over and over and over................

You've never heard of the Verticals concept?

Man, that whole post went right over your head.

You and Mavric please, continue to try to oversimplify one of the most complicated team sports on this planet, please do, I get a laugh out of it.

Then please enlighten us to your point instead of rambling like a drunk uncle.

I'm going to report you to, er, you, for jfmb'ing.

Hey Saunders, look at this post from Saunders please. Let me know what you decide. Thanks.

I've you've got a problem with what I wrote in response to his post, you're more than welcome to report to to the other mods/admins.

I was joking. And I see I typo'd jmfb too. I try harder next time.

 

[Saunders]

"f#*k it, I'm going deep" is hardly the thought process in that situation. I do agree, he needs to settle down a bit more and his offensive line needs to protect him a bit better. But I think maybe you need to look a little further into it than just Tommy saying "f#*k it, I'm going deep". Why would Tommy try to throw the deep ball in the first place? The only time you'd launch one deep is if you have receivers streaking deep down the field every f'ing play. I mean, it's not like he was throwing the ball to nobody. There were guys down there almost every play. Why in Holy Hell did we feel the need to run 40+ yard routes every damn time we threw the ball? Do the receivers not know that they can turn around and come back to the ball? Where is the thought process on that, where is the coaching? There was NONE. We just kept doing it over and over and over and over................

You've never heard of the Verticals concept?

Man, that whole post went right over your head.

You and Mavric please, continue to try to oversimplify one of the most complicated team sports on this planet, please do, I get a laugh out of it.

Then please enlighten us to your point instead of rambling like a drunk uncle.

I'm going to report you to, er, you, for jfmb'ing.

Hey Saunders, look at this post from Saunders please. Let me know what you decide. Thanks.

I've you've got a problem with what I wrote in response to his post, you're more than welcome to report to to the other mods/admins.

I was joking. And I see I typo'd jmfb too. I try harder next time.

 

[huKSer]

Mavric, you must not be familiar with the new Huskerboard. Beck was a dumb-dumb and everything about the staff is superior and will thus fix our problems.


TA is a returning member of the team and thus we are required to be optimistic, even though we're familiar with his play and ability to play QB. In no way was his decision making his fault, it was all on Beck (dang him!) and his inherent limitations as a QB will soon be fixed by one off season.

Agreed. We just lucked into all those points, in spite of Beck. I figure, since the morons on the last staff could get us to the #13 scoring offense, these new guys who know what they are doing should get us top 5 without any trouble.

Yea. They should because the big 10 west has horrible (traditionally) teams in it besides Wiscy. Nebraska should be ahead of the likes of Purdue and Illinois by 50 at halftime.

Nebraska SHOULD be able to score on MSU without having MSU laugh in our face and let up.

Nebraska SHOULD never give up 56 unanswered points to a team who's defense is WAYYYY over rated.

In games that matter, Nebraska's offense is awful, with the exception of USC. That was when Bo was finally gone. I don't believe that it was all Beck's fault. I truly believe that any detriment that happened at NU was solely because Bo has too tight of a grip on the program. He's a micromanager.

Wisconsin all time record is 664–483–53

Minnesota all time record is 668-497-44

 

[Scratchtown]

Mavric, you must not be familiar with the new Huskerboard. Beck was a dumb-dumb and everything about the staff is superior and will thus fix our problems.

TA is a returning member of the team and thus we are required to be optimistic, even though we're familiar with his play and ability to play QB. In no way was his decision making his fault, it was all on Beck (dang him!) and his inherent limitations as a QB will soon be fixed by one off season.

Agreed. We just lucked into all those points, in spite of Beck. I figure, since the morons on the last staff could get us to the #13 scoring offense, these new guys who know what they are doing should get us top 5 without any trouble.

Yea. They should because the big 10 west has horrible (traditionally) teams in it besides Wiscy. Nebraska should be ahead of the likes of Purdue and Illinois by 50 at halftime.
Nebraska SHOULD be able to score on MSU without having MSU laugh in our face and let up.

Nebraska SHOULD never give up 56 unanswered points to a team who's defense is WAYYYY over rated.

In games that matter, Nebraska's offense is awful, with the exception of USC. That was when Bo was finally gone. I don't believe that it was all Beck's fault. I truly believe that any detriment that happened at NU was solely because Bo has too tight of a grip on the program. He's a micromanager.

Wisconsin all time record is 66448353
Minnesota all time record is 668-497-44

What are the numbers since Alvarez took over at Wiscy?

 

[True2tRA]

One time he threw to Westerkamp (I think) even though Westy had gotten pushed five yards out of bounds. But he was trying to run the deep route and that's where TA wanted to go with the ball.

One time I saw Tom Brady and Peyton Manning do some dumb stuff. And this one time at band camp....................sh#t happens.....

It does. It was one example. But I'd like to see any other example of any other QB throwing to a receiver that was five yards out of bounds. Even in high school.

I've seen it many many times. Sorry if I don't have specific examples. I guess I didn't realize it was such a rarity that I needed to document it for future debates.

Typically there then is a discussion as to if the WR was pushed out of bounds by the DB or if he ran out on his own.

Throw to a guy who is out of bounds when the ball gets there? Yes. Throw to a guy who is already well out of bounds before you throw it? Not so much.

Connor Cook to Tony Lippett against the Huskers last year. Daniel Davie goes down, Jonathan Rose comes in and get's burnt immediately. Lippett goes out of bounds but Cook throws it anyway right over the top. Lippett was well out of bounds by the time Cook saw him and let the ball go. Turns out Lippett was shoved out of bounds so the score counted.

There's one example of a QB throwing the ball to a guy who already well out of bounds.

 

[Mavric]

One time he threw to Westerkamp (I think) even though Westy had gotten pushed five yards out of bounds. But he was trying to run the deep route and that's where TA wanted to go with the ball.

One time I saw Tom Brady and Peyton Manning do some dumb stuff. And this one time at band camp....................sh#t happens.....

It does. It was one example. But I'd like to see any other example of any other QB throwing to a receiver that was five yards out of bounds. Even in high school.

I've seen it many many times. Sorry if I don't have specific examples. I guess I didn't realize it was such a rarity that I needed to document it for future debates.

Typically there then is a discussion as to if the WR was pushed out of bounds by the DB or if he ran out on his own.

Throw to a guy who is out of bounds when the ball gets there? Yes. Throw to a guy who is already well out of bounds before you throw it? Not so much.

Connor Cook to Tony Lippett against the Huskers last year. Daniel Davie goes down, Jonathan Rose comes in and get's burnt immediately. Lippett goes out of bounds but Cook throws it anyway right over the top. Lippett was well out of bounds by the time Cook saw him and let the ball go. Turns out Lippett was shoved out of bounds so the score counted.

There's one example of a QB throwing the ball to a guy who already well out of bounds.

I think the fact that you're having to reach this much is pretty telling that you are not attempting to understand the point.

 

[Stumpy1]

I will support TA and cheer for him but I will say he is an average QB at best right now. There were definitely many times that Armstrong went with the deep ball when there was another receiver wide open running a shallower route.

 

[BigRedBuster]

One time he threw to Westerkamp (I think) even though Westy had gotten pushed five yards out of bounds. But he was trying to run the deep route and that's where TA wanted to go with the ball.

One time I saw Tom Brady and Peyton Manning do some dumb stuff. And this one time at band camp....................sh#t happens.....

It does. It was one example. But I'd like to see any other example of any other QB throwing to a receiver that was five yards out of bounds. Even in high school.

I've seen it many many times. Sorry if I don't have specific examples. I guess I didn't realize it was such a rarity that I needed to document it for future debates.

Typically there then is a discussion as to if the WR was pushed out of bounds by the DB or if he ran out on his own.

Throw to a guy who is out of bounds when the ball gets there? Yes. Throw to a guy who is already well out of bounds before you throw it? Not so much.

Connor Cook to Tony Lippett against the Huskers last year. Daniel Davie goes down, Jonathan Rose comes in and get's burnt immediately. Lippett goes out of bounds but Cook throws it anyway right over the top. Lippett was well out of bounds by the time Cook saw him and let the ball go. Turns out Lippett was shoved out of bounds so the score counted.

There's one example of a QB throwing the ball to a guy who already well out of bounds.

I think the fact that you're having to reach this much is pretty telling that you are not attempting to understand the point.

So....you ask for examples, he gives one and that's not what you wanted?