Trump's Post Election Fallout: Legal & Obstruction actions

The irony is that if the committee succeeds in keeping Trump from running in 2024 (whether that be damage or jail), it will help the republicans. Then the Dems turn around and support pro Trump candidates in primaries versus the more moderate candidates because they will be easier to beat….but what if the Dems do not beat them? Isn’t that putting insurrection supporters into public office? Politics is a dirty game. I would never survive it. 

 
nic said:
The irony is that if the committee succeeds in keeping Trump from running in 2024 (whether that be damage or jail), it will help the republicans. Then the Dems turn around and support pro Trump candidates in primaries versus the more moderate candidates because they will be easier to beat….but what if the Dems do not beat them? Isn’t that putting insurrection supporters into public office? Politics is a dirty game. I would never survive it. 
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I'm not condoning the strategy.  (Although I'm 100% for dems in red states crossing over to vote in GOP primaries assuming they are voting for the candidate they like best since there is NOT a chance a dem will win in the general)  But I would hope DEMS would be selective in where they use this strategy.  

In Nebraska....not a chance

Virginia...although I wouldn't recommend, it might not be a terrible idea...

 
funhusker said:
I'm not condoning the strategy.  (Although I'm 100% for dems in red states crossing over to vote in GOP primaries assuming they are voting for the candidate they like best since there is NOT a chance a dem will win in the general)  But I would hope DEMS would be selective in where they use this strategy.  

In Nebraska....not a chance

Virginia...although I wouldn't recommend, it might not be a terrible idea...
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probably Walker and Doc Oz.  :)

 
"Totally" :facepalm:   Headline: Trump Hires Valley Gal as his lead attorney to replace Rudy"

No it is a sad day in our country that a president would be so power hungry that he would incite a riot on our capital and would still remain a free man to this date. 

 
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More from the CNN interview wt Liz.  BTW - she has a nice rustic cabin looking house as pictured in the article.

Looks like a great man cave. 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/politics/liz-cheney-justice-department-january-6-ccntv/index.html

 
Cheney is the daughter of former Vice President d!(k Cheney. Her reelection campaign unveiled an ad on Thursday in which the former vice president lays into Trump over his lies about widespread fraud in the 2020 election.
"He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him," the former vice president says in the spot.
"He is a coward. A real man wouldn't lie to his supporters. He lost his election and he lost big. I know it, he knows it and, deep down, I think most Republicans know it," d!(k Cheney adds.
Liz Cheney wouldn't say whether her father has urged her to run for president in 2024.
"Look, d!(k Cheney is a big Liz Cheney supporter," she said.
She said the former vice president shares "this real sadness, frankly, about what's happening to our party, and a real despair about how it could be that so many Republicans would refuse to stand up and tell the truth."
"And it is a scary moment for the nation," she added.
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Liz Cheney, who has courted Democratic voters in Wyoming's primary, said she doesn't see the House committee's work through the lens of political outcomes.
Cheney said the House panel will continue to lay out evidence in the coming months and that she expects the committee to "have an opinion" about making criminal referrals to the Justice Department.  

There's much more that we have not yet shared in hearings and that we anticipate we will share in the fall," she said. "And we will also make decisions about criminal referrals. And ultimately, the decision about prosecution's up to the Justice Department. But I would anticipate that the committee will have an opinion on it."
Cheney said that during the committee's probe, she has learned that Trump's effort to block the 2020 election results were "a more sophisticated and broader-reaching effort than I understood coming into it."
"I think all of us on the committee have had that same reaction, which is that there's so much, there was so much more that was happening in multiple different areas, whether it was the pressure on state officials or the pressure on the Justice Department" or efforts to push former Vice President Mike Pence to reject some states' electoral votes.
"The volume of information has been more than I expected," she said.
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Cheney said she expects to win her primary in less than two weeks, despite her opponents attacking her role on the committee.
"I don't expect to lose. I'm working hard to earn every single vote and, ultimately, I really believe that the people of Wyoming fundamentally understand how important fidelity to the Constitution is; understand how important it is that we fight for those fundamental principles on which everything else is based," she said.
However, the congresswoman also made clear that she is not tempering her criticism of Trump at all -- even if it costs her the House seat that her father held and that she has held since 2017.
"We're in a situation where former President Trump has betrayed the patriotism of millions and millions of people across our country, and many people here in Wyoming, and he's lied to them," she said. "And what I know to do is to tell the truth, and to make sure that people understand the truth about what happened and why it matters so much."
Asked why she thinks voters believe Trump, Cheney added: "It's just consistent lying about what happened about the election, playing on people's patriotism. And he's so dangerous that, you know, my view is that at the end of the day, if defending the Constitution against the threat that he poses means losing a House seat, then that's a sacrifice that I'm willing to make. I don't intend to lose. But some things are more important than any individual office or political campaign."
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Cheney would not discuss her political plans after this month's primary. But she said she will do "whatever is necessary" to keep Trump from becoming the GOP presidential nominee for a third consecutive election in 2024.
She said she intends to be "a big part of making sure that we protect the nation" from Trump, whether she wins reelection or not.
Cheney also urged members of both parties to band against GOP candidates who have advanced Trump's lies about election fraud and are seeking to take over the election machinery of key states this fall.

Republicans in recent months have nominated candidates who have embraced Trump's lies about election fraud for offices that control the election machinery in a series of states, including some of the nation's most competitive presidential battlegrounds: Arizona, Nevada and Pennsylvania. The party has also endorsed an election denier for the top elections post in Michigan.
"I don't think anybody should vote for any election denier," Cheney said. She cast defeating those candidates as critical to stopping Trump from circumventing the will of American voters if he is nominated for president in 2024.
"I think we have to make sure that we come together and form alliances across party lines, to make sure that the people that we are electing are not going to unravel the republic," she said.
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Cheney lambasted Democrats for meddling in GOP primaries to boost election deniers that they think will be less viable general election candidates, as was the case in the primary defeat this week of Republican Rep. Peter Meijer of Michigan, one of the 10 Republicans in the House who voted to impeach Trump following the insurrection. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee pumped more than $300,000 into television ads to boost Trump-endorsed John Gibbs against him.
Cheney said Democrats' involvement in the race was "terrible."
"All of us, again, across party lines, have got to make sure that we are supporting people who believe fundamentally in our democratic system," she said. "And so I think that it's inexplicable and wrong for the Democrats to be funding election deniers, particularly against one of the 10 Republicans who so bravely stood up and did the right thing."
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nic said:
The irony is that if the committee succeeds in keeping Trump from running in 2024 (whether that be damage or jail), it will help the republicans. Then the Dems turn around and support pro Trump candidates in primaries versus the more moderate candidates because they will be easier to beat….but what if the Dems do not beat them? Isn’t that putting insurrection supporters into public office? Politics is a dirty game. I would never survive it. 
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Not going to happen. If Trump is convicted and goes to jail, game over for the Pubs. 

 
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