Stupid sh#t people have posted

[ZRod]

Our economy depends on fossil fuels.   Democrats want us off fossil fuels in 12-15 years.  That’s about as radical as one can get in regards to our economy.  

Why??? It's a national security risk, pollution issue, and climate issue to remain in a fossil fuel dependent state. People have been trying to get us out of this for over 50 years now. It's not radical, it's late.

And it's not democratics. It's probably a majority of Americans regardless of political ideology.

 

[JJ Husker]

Our economy depends on fossil fuels.   Democrats want us off fossil fuels in 12-15 years.  That’s about as radical as one can get in regards to our economy.  

Maybe they just seem alarmist because they’ve been largely ignored on this issue by the right for a long long time. I’ll grant you that some of the predictions, warnings and desires come off as alarmist. But it’s a very real problem and it is going to be near impossible to get the whole planet to act in time. Not because s#!ts going to hit the fan in the next 10-20-30 years but because we have to start making changes now before it is too late. And quite frankly, attitudes like your’s are not helping. Knowing what we know, I don’t know why we wouldn’t all being trying to get off fossil fuels as soon as possible. It’s an inevitable transition we have to make.

 

[Archy1221]

Why??? It's a national security risk, pollution issue, and climate issue to remain in a fossil fuel dependent state. People have been trying to get us out of this for over 50 years now. It's not radical, it's late.

And it's not democratics. It's probably a majority of Americans regardless of political ideology.

Are you intentionally not understanding or am I doing a bad job of repeatedly saying this…..I DONT CARE WHAT ENERGY SOURCE OUR COUNTRY RUNS OFF OF.    currently we are fossil fuel dependent and will continue to be until the renewable energy tech gets up to speed to overtake fossil fuels.  That ain’t happening in 12-15 years.  Trying to change this in 12-15 years is radical crazy talk.   Telling us all that it needs to happen that soon or the climate will forever be altered is also equally crazy.  
 

Humans will change energy sources eventually.   We have plenty of time to allow the renewable technology to catch up to our needs.   That is my point.  There is no reason for the alarmism.   
 

Do you believe that humans will be as dependent on fossil fuels 100 years from now as humans currently are?  I don’t.  I also don’t believe Earth will be much different as it is now once renewable tech does becomes efficiently enough to become the dominant or sole player in energy 

 

[Archy1221]

It’s an inevitable transition we have to make.

I’ve made this point at least 10 times in different forums.   It’s going to happen.  Too much money in energy for someone to not figure it out.  I’m all for subsidies to help make it happen as I’ve said before.  I just can’t get behind the constant alarmism that never seems to pan out for those making the predictions.  

 

[RedDenver]

I’ve made this point at least 10 times in different forums.   It’s going to happen.  Too much money in energy for someone to not figure it out.  I’m all for subsidies to help make it happen as I’ve said before.  I just can’t get behind the constant alarmism that never seems to pan out for those making the predictions.  

Yeah, those predictions have never panned out...

Even 50-year-old climate models correctly predicted global warming

Scientists have gotten predictions of global warming right since the 1970s

Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming?

How climate models got so accurate they earned a Nobel Prize

Here's How Scarily Accurate NASA's Long-Term Climate Predictions Have Been So Far

In this new study, NASA scientists analyzed the GISTEMP data to see if past predictions of rising temperatures were accurate. They needed to know that any uncertainty within their data was correctly accounted for.

The goal was to make sure that the models they use are robust enough to rely on in the future. The answer: Yes they are. Within 1/20th a degree Celsius. Kudos.

Sea Level Projections Have Been Proven Right And That's Not Good News

NASA satellite sea level rise data

 

[knapplc]

currently we are fossil fuel dependent and will continue to be until the renewable energy tech gets up to speed to overtake fossil fuels.  That ain’t happening in 12-15 years.

Why not?  Kennedy said in 1962 that we would land a man on the moon before the decade was out. We didn't even have the technology to get humans out of low-Earth orbit in place when he made that promise.

American engineers developed the SR-71 Blackbird from blueprints to working aircraft using graph paper and slide rules in three years.

A dozen years? 15? That's a lifetime.

 

[Archy1221]

Why not?  Kennedy said in 1962 that we would land a man on the moon before the decade was out. We didn't even have the technology to get humans out of low-Earth orbit in place when he made that promise.

American engineers developed the SR-71 Blackbird from blueprints to working aircraft using graph paper and slide rules in three years.

A dozen years? 15? That's a lifetime.

You gonna replace 280 million US cars in 12-15 years? Will we have that many batteries to do it?   Will we have that many materials to build that many batteries?   Charging station build outs for 280 million cars? 

 

[DevoHusker]

You gonna replace 280 million US cars in 12-15 years? Will we have that many batteries to do it?   Will we have that many materials to build that many batteries?   Charging station build outs for 280 million cars? 

What system will charge those 280 million cars? What form of electric production will provide the charge? What will happen to the grid when 280 million cars are plugged in daily? 

Lots of unanswered questions...

 

[ZRod]

You gonna replace 280 million US cars in 12-15 years? Will we have that many batteries to do it?   Will we have that many materials to build that many batteries?   Charging station build outs for 280 million cars? 

Funny, but your math almost checks out. Average US new car sales per year before the pandemic were around 17 million. Multiplied by 15 years, that's 255 million cars. Every single OEM has plans for massive investment in battery production. Every single OEM is neck deep in R&D to make electric vehicles the future, and find alternative material for battery production.

Wait... I thought you didn't like alarmists? Because you sure sound like one now.

What system will charge those 280 million cars? What form of electric production will provide the charge? What will happen to the grid when 280 million cars are plugged in daily? 

Lots of unanswered questions...

The US power grid will charge those vehicles, and it will need to grow accordingly. We should be investing in Nuclear and renewable energy to support the expanding grid. 

 

[DevoHusker]

The US power grid will charge those vehicles, and it will need to grow accordingly. We should be investing in Nuclear and renewable energy to support the expanding grid. 

And we will need to burn a s#!tload of coal to do so.

It takes 5-7 years to get one...1...nuclear power plant on line.

I, and I think Archy, have no issue with the proposed transition. It's the unrealistic time frame.

 

[Archy1221]

Funny, but your math almost checks out. Average US new car sales per year before the pandemic were around 17 million. Multiplied by 15 years, that's 255 million cars. Every single OEM has plans for massive investment in battery production. Every single OEM is neck deep in R&D to make electric vehicles the future, and find alternative material for battery production.

Wait... I thought you didn't like alarmists? Because you sure sound like one now.

You actually believe that in 15 years, everyone who has a gas powered car will be able to purchase an electric vehicle?   You work In the industry and still believe this.  
 

I understand the transition will happen at some point.   I’m guessing almost everyone believes the transition will happen as some point.  That’s not in dispute, yet you and others make it seem like people like me are disputing what is eventually bound to happen.   But it ain’t happening in 12-15 years.  I will bet my life savings on it.  

 

[Archy1221]

I, and I think Archy, have no issue with the proposed transition. It's the unrealistic time frame

Thank you!   It’s been my entire point this whole discussion. 

 

[DevoHusker]

Thank you!   It’s been my entire point this whole discussion. 

It was pretty clear to me.

 

[ZRod]

And we will need to burn a s#!tload of coal to do so.

It takes 5-7 years to get one...1...nuclear power plant on line.

I, and I think Archy, have no issue with the proposed transition. It's the unrealistic time frame.

First of all, for the record, can we state where this "10 to 12 years" is coming from?

Second. You can build power plants in parallel... Nobody said they had to be built one at a time. You can still use natural gas power plants as well, since it's cleaner than coal.

The point that has continually been pushed to you and Archy is that we're late. We wasted time under Trump with him cancelling everything climate related. None of this is a new initiative and a lot could have been accomplished already if one side took their fingers out of their ears and got onboard.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

You gonna replace 280 million US cars in 12-15 years? Will we have that many batteries to do it?   Will we have that many materials to build that many batteries?   Charging station build outs for 280 million cars? 

There are obviously a lot of unanswered questions, but there have also been a lot of changes in the last 12-15 years that some might even call "rapid" for the giant super tanker they're reversing. You'd have to concede a couple decades (maybe more) for the concerted efforts of Big Automakers and Petroleum to undermine and yes, destroy energy efficient alternatives that threaten them. They could have been profiting from electric cars and alt fuels ages ago. 

Time frames always get pushed out. Lofty goals always sound unrealistic. But global leadership and daring innovation is what has made America great.

The question is: why do you hate America? 

And for f#&%'s sake, people, why is this thread in the Shed? If we're not going to resort to profanity and name-calling, then take this conversation upstairs.